out_o question_n be_v of_o the_o church_n visible_a more_o than_o so_o god_n may_v require_v we_o to_o come_v out_o of_o babylon_n even_o we_o that_o be_v not_o there_o for_o such_o a_o command_n be_v no_o more_o but_o to_o prevent_v our_o go_v thither_o forasmuch_o as_o the_o same_o person_n that_o be_v further_a from_o babylon_n in_o this_o present_a estate_n be_v there_o even_o there_o already_o in_o possibility_n because_o the_o holy_a man_n that_o live_v live_v in_o the_o flesh_n or_o humane_a nature_n and_o therefore_o may_v he_o be_v carry_v to_o babylon_n because_o babylon_n be_v heresy_n or_o at_o least_o include_v it_o and_o heresy_n be_v a_o fruit_n of_o the_o flesh_n by_o this_o time_n i_o hope_v his_o whole_a discourse_n as_o well_o â—hat_n be_v to_o the_o purpose_n as_o what_o be_v beside_o the_o purpose_n be_v full_o clear_v and_o satisfy_v wherein_o â—hine_v depart_v from_o the_o liberty_n of_o a_o answerer_n of_o love_n and_o desire_v to_o satisfy_v the_o reader_n chap._n 10._o our_o opponent_n b._n his_o second_o argument_n he_o urge_v we_o cap._n 9_o pag._n 37._o with_o a_o second_o argument_n conclude_v after_o this_o manner_n that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o but_o by_o consequence_n at_o the_o most_o for_o the_o pope_n arithmetic_n which_o he_o use_v in_o calculate_v the_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o subrstaction_n but_o addition_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n the_o assumption_n and_o conclusion_n be_v set_v down_o pag_n 41._o and_o the_o title_n of_o the_o chapter_n pag_n 37._o the_o proposition_n be_v want_v in_o pag._n 21_o 22._o he_o write_v thus_o our_o adversary_n in_o this_o cause_n do_v bring_v the_o denial_n of_o the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n as_o a_o medium_n to_o prove_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v no_o true_a church_n i_o answer_v this_o man_n have_v a_o fair_a gift_n of_o invent_v some_o while_n he_o can_v find_v a_o adversary_n that_o answer_v another_o while_o one_o that_o dispute_v and_o all_o be_v no_o more_o but_o his_o own_o shadow_n or_o imagination_n if_o he_o will_v have_v the_o reader_n to_o think_v otherwise_o let_v he_o name_v the_o author_n that_o thus_o dispute_v and_o the_o place_n where_o we_o may_v find_v it_o till_o then_o this_o must_v go_v for_o false_a none_o of_o we_o will_v dispute_v so_o for_o it_o presume_v that_o some_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v fundamental_a and_o some_o be_v not_o and_o that_o be_v false_a the_o whole_a divine_a revelation_n conduce_v to_o eternal_a life_n and_o according_o it_o be_v the_o foundation_n thereof_o and_o consoquent_o every_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v fundamental_a i_o answer_v further_o this_o reason_n as_o it_o lie_v do_v admit_v many_o egregious_a exception_n but_o because_o i_o be_o willing_a to_o interpret_v he_o with_o the_o uttermost_a favour_n i_o will_v forbear_v to_o charge_v he_o with_o they_o he_o confine_v fundamental_a truth_n unto_o the_o be_v of_o the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n pag._n 19_o &_o 20._o to_o deny_v fundamental_a truth_n according_a to_o he_o direct_o be_v direct_o to_o deny_v that_o jesus_n christ_n come_v into_o the_o world_n to_o save_v sinner_n as_o pagan_n turk_n and_o jew_n do_v pag._n 22._o they_o deny_v it_o by_o consequent_a which_o hold_v it_o direct_o maintain_v any_o one_o assertion_n whatsoever_o whereupon_o the_o direct_a denial_n thereof_o may_v be_v necessary_o conclude_v thus_o the_o galatian_n hold_v circumcision_n do_v by_o consequence_n overthrow_n salvation_n by_o christ_n inasmuch_o as_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o they_o shall_v stand_v together_o pag._n 23_o 24._o according_a unto_o this_o explication_n this_o argument_n will_v be_v free_a from_o exception_n if_o it_o be_v frame_v in_o these_o term_n chap._n 11._o of_o the_o same_o argument_n new_o frame_v that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n do_v in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n his_o proof_n for_o this_o assumption_n be_v two_o the_o one_o pag._n 126._o in_o these_o word_n offer_v the_o fundamental_a word_n to_o they_o of_o the_o romish_a church_n and_o none_o among_o they_o will_v refuse_v to_o subscribe_v unto_o they_o the_o other_o be_v his_o five_o argument_n pag._n 59_o &c_n &c_n to_o prove_v the_o main_a question_n so_o desirous_a he_o be_v to_o make_v show_n of_o plenty_n that_o one_o shall_v be_v divide_v into_o two_o rather_o than_o he_o will_v be_v short_a in_o number_n in_o that_o he_o write_v thus_o in_o our_o disputation_n with_o they_o we_o do_v not_o prove_v that_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o we_o bring_v it_o in_o proof_n against_o they_o pag._n 62._o and_o this_o say_v he_o be_v a_o tacit_a consent_n of_o all_o we_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o direct_o deny_v the_o foundation_n pag._n 61._o in_o pag_n 70._o he_o write_v thus_o i_o will_v glad_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o but_o one_o in_o estimation_n for_o his_o learning_n among_o we_o that_o ever_o affirm_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o deny_v the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n direct_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v not_o pass_v any_o such_o sentence_n upon_o she_o some_o of_o we_o touch_v this_o matter_n have_v write_v thus_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n deny_v christ_n jesus_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n only_o at_o this_o our_o opponent_n b._n pag._n 122._o grow_v very_o angry_a and_o crave_v pardon_n for_o break_v his_o long_a patience_n and_o do_v challenge_v he_o for_o a_o egregious_a contradiction_n in_o avouch_v a_o denial_n direct_v and_o by_o consequence_n and_o why_o because_o the_o foundation_n can_v be_v overthrow_v both_o by_o consequence_n and_o direct_o too_o none_o can_v overthrow_v by_o consequence_n unless_o they_o hold_v direct_o and_o no_o man_n can_v both_o hold_v direct_o and_o deny_v direct_o and_o in_o conclusion_n he_o do_v grave_o reprehend_v that_o author_n because_o he_o labour_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v guilty_a of_o such_o denial_n both_o direct_o and_o by_o consequence_n see_v such_o proof_n make_v the_o whole_a fall_n to_o the_o ground_n be_v nothing_o worth_a and_o lest_o something_o shall_v be_v want_v pertain_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o a_o learned_a disputer_n he_o give_v his_o word_n for_o all_o this_o esteem_v the_o least_o proof_n his_o great_a disgrace_n i_o answer_v if_o i_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n direct_o deny_v the_o be_v of_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n to_o save_v sinner_n i_o do_v enough_o to_o satisfy_v this_o argument_n even_o by_o the_o confession_n of_o this_o opponent_n for_o pag._n 124._o he_o write_v thus_o if_o you_o can_v prove_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n direct_o to_o deny_v salvation_n by_o christ_n alone_o we_o bind_v ourselves_o to_o grant_v you_o the_o victory_n and_o you_o be_v the_o day_n if_o i_o prove_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n by_o consequence_n also_o so_o to_o deny_v than_o that_o author_n have_v make_v no_o contradiction_n by_o this_o opponent_n own_o rule_n namely_o because_o both_o of_o they_o may_v be_v true_a together_o this_o opponent_n demand_v how_o or_o where_o that_o proof_n shall_v be_v have_v and_o make_v pag._n 124._o i_o answer_v i_o will_v have_v that_o proof_n out_o of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o frame_v it_o according_a to_o art_n and_o the_o rule_n of_o answer_v for_o that_o be_v my_o office_n at_o this_o time_n touch_v the_o first_o i_o answer_v to_o deny_v and_o affirm_v be_v make_v by_o voice_n and_o according_o to_o deny_v and_o affirm_v may_v be_v by_o the_o voice_n of_o humane_a reason_n or_o divine_a faith_n this_o i_o take_v as_o grant_v else_o there_o can_v be_v no_o difference_n between_o the_o heathen_a philosopher_n turk_n and_o christian_n when_o they_o all_o profess_v even_o in_o so_o many_o word_n that_o there_o be_v a_o god_n in_o the_o first_o sense_n i_o grant_v the_o assumption_n that_o be_v the_o romish_a church_n profess_v even_o in_o so_o many_o word_n the_o be_v of_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n by_o the_o voice_n of_o humane_a reason_n and_o so_o far_o we_o be_v content_a to_o go_v along_o with_o this_o opponent_n but_o the_o proposition_n be_v false_a this_o we_o say_v the_o profession_n of_o
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against_o this_o argument_n proceed_v thus_o he_o deny_v not_o but_o after_o a_o sort_n confess_v that_o this_o argument_n be_v our_o church_n pa._n 83._o and_o so_o fare_v it_o with_o his_o partner_n our_o opponent_n c._n pag_n 21._o our_o opponent_n b_o in_o his_o english_a epistle_n deny_v the_o conclusion_n of_o this_o argument_n to_o be_v our_o church_n but_o the_o opponent_n c_o say_v nothing_o i_o answer_v how_o can_v the_o opponent_n b._n say_v our_o church_n hold_v not_o the_o conclusion_n who_o confess_v even_o now_o that_o our_o church_n make_v the_o argument_n unless_o he_o will_v say_v that_o the_o conclusion_n of_o a_o argument_n be_v no_o part_n thereof_o if_o that_o be_v his_o judgement_n he_o must_v teach_v aristotle_n for_o he_o think_v otherwise_o prior._fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 1._o top_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 1._o for_o this_o time_n the_o conclusion_n shall_v go_v for_o none_o of_o she_o that_o we_o may_v see_v what_o they_o will_v say_v to_o it_o opponent_n b._n in_o his_o latin_a epistle_n say_v he_o that_o think_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v no_o church_n think_v nothing_o his_o partner_n c._n in_o his_o epistle_n dedicatory_a profess_v that_o he_o tremble_v at_o the_o very_a hear_n of_o this_o proposition_n the_o present_n romish_a church_n be_v no_o church_n i_o aâ—_n sure_a these_o party_n be_v ill_o match_v because_o they_o â—rosse_v one_o the_o other_o the_o one_o think_v the_o present_a conclusion_n to_o be_v nothing_o the_o other_o esteem_v it_o a_o monster_n and_o that_o be_v more_o than_o some_o thing_n but_o let_v we_o for_o this_o time_n think_v so_o too_o because_o if_o that_o be_v so_o than_o the_o premise_n which_o infer_v that_o conclusion_n be_v monstrous_a likewise_o if_o the_o premise_n be_v monstrous_a then_o will_v these_o opponent_n make_v they_o to_o appear_v to_o be_v so_o and_o thus_o much_o for_o their_o answer_n to_o this_o argument_n in_o general_n chap._n 3._o of_o the_o same_o argument_n and_o their_o answer_n thereunto_o the_o reader_n must_v remember_v our_o argument_n in_o the_o true_a and_o plain_a term_n stand_v thus_o the_o true_a church_n be_v found_v upon_o that_o be_v profess_v the_o sacred_a truth_n reveal_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n be_v not_o so_o found_v therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n our_o opponent_n c._n answer_v hereunto_o pag_n 21_o 22._o with_o these_o very_a word_n these_o word_n must_v receive_v this_o construction_n first_o they_o must_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o accidental_a truth_n of_o the_o church_n in_o regard_n of_o soundness_n and_o not_o of_o essential_a truth_n in_o regard_n of_o god_n covenant_n second_o they_o must_v be_v understand_v even_o of_o soundness_n comparative_o and_o not_o simple_o that_o be_v in_o regard_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o not_o otherwise_o thus_o far_o he_o and_o not_o one_o word_n further_o touch_v this_o matter_n i_o reply_v in_o this_o answer_n we_o must_v look_v for_o the_o meaning_n of_o his_o word_n and_o the_o application_n of_o the_o matter_n to_o our_o argument_n his_o meaning_n be_v further_a to_o seek_v then_o sampsons_n riddle_n or_o more_o senseless_a than_o become_v a_o reasonable_a man_n he_o seem_v thus_o to_o distinguish_v 1._o the_o truth_n of_o the_o church_n be_v accidental_a in_o regard_n of_o soundness_n essential_a in_o regard_n of_o god_n covenant_n 2._o soundness_n be_v take_v comparative_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n simple_o for_o thus_o lie_v his_o word_n direct_o but_o who_o shall_v understand_v he_o the_o rule_n of_o logic_n can_v help_v we_o for_o according_a to_o they_o these_o distribution_n be_v no_o way_n to_o be_v allow_v according_a to_o art_n every_o distribution_n contain_v a_o whole_a and_o part_n so_o aristotle_n top._n lib_n 6._o cap._n 1._o rursus_fw-la utrumque_fw-la etc._n etc._n cap._n 2._o idem_fw-la contingens_fw-la so_o ramus_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 25._o but_o here_o be_v no_o whole_a and_o part_n for_o a_o whole_a be_v no_o more_o but_o a_o gather_n together_o of_o the_o part_n so_o as_o they_o all_o do_v make_v one_o certain_a thing_n thus_o arist_n physico_fw-la lib._n 1._o tex_fw-la 17._o lib._n 4._o tex_n 43._o meta_fw-la lib._n 5._o cap._n 25._o tex_n 31._o thus_o th._n 1._o q._n 76._o art_n 8._o in_o cor_fw-la &_o so_o ramus_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 25._o but_o in_o these_o distribution_n there_o be_v no_o whole_a and_o part_n moreover_o in_o the_o first_o distinction_n truth_n be_v the_o thing_n divide_v and_o that_o be_v set_v out_o by_o the_o term_n church_n that_o be_v the_o adjunct_n or_o accident_n be_v set_v out_o by_o a_o first_o substance_n or_o individual_a subject_n if_o that_o be_v good_a than_o aristotle_n must_v come_v to_o he_o to_o learn_v logic_n for_o according_a to_o he_o all_o other_o thing_n be_v attribute_v to_o a_o singular_a be_v and_o that_o attribute_v to_o none_o categor_n cap._n 4._o &_o 5._o prior._fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 27._o post_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 22._o again_o in_o that_o distribution_n essential_a and_o accidental_a be_v make_v part_n of_o truth_n but_o that_o be_v impossible_a for_o truth_n be_v no_o more_o but_o the_o adequation_n of_o the_o thing_n and_o the_o apprehension_n of_o our_o understanding_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o aristotle_n de_fw-fr interpre_fw-fr cap._n 9_o &_o meta_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 7._o text_n 27._o &_o thomas_n 1._o p._n q._n 21._o art_n 2._o in_o cor_fw-la 1._o dist_n 46._o q._n 1._o art_n 2._o ad_fw-la 1m._o but_o accidental_a and_o essential_a truth_n make_v no_o such_o adequation_n for_o those_o term_n import_v no_o more_o but_o a_o necessary_a and_o contingent_a predication_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o manner_n of_o predicate_v last_o he_o attribute_n soundness_n to_o accidental_a truth_n and_o god_n covenant_n to_o essential_a truth_n but_o that_o be_v impossible_a
the_o scripture_n unto_o the_o church_n judgement_n they_o will_v have_v we_o believe_v that_o the_o church_n must_v tell_v we_o which_o be_v the_o scripture_n and_o which_o be_v not_o else_o we_o can_v have_v no_o divine_a faith_n of_o they_o for_o reason_n tell_v we_o they_o must_v have_v authority_n in_o all_o point_n of_o faith_n or_o none_o at_o all_o this_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n thus_o understand_v be_v follow_v by_o all_o their_o divine_n and_o suarez_n give_v it_o we_o in_o this_o one_o sentence_n a_o general_a council_n in_o which_o the_o pope_n be_v present_a either_o in_o his_o own_o person_n or_o by_o his_o legate_n and_o confirm_v by_o the_o pope_n be_v a_o infallible_a rule_n of_o faith_n and_o this_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la etc._n etc._n tracta_fw-la 1._o disp_n 5._o sect._n 7._o no._n 6._o &_o 9_o bellarmine_n deliver_v the_o self_n same_o matter_n in_o a_o most_o ample_a &_o large_a manner_n in_o divers_a place_n in_o his_o three_o 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faith_n and_o not_o to_o doubt_v whether_o those_o thing_n be_v so_o or_o not_o cap._n 10._o sept_n argumentum_fw-la hitherto_o he_o set_v forth_o the_o matter_n in_o gross_a and_o not_o unfold_v wherefore_o we_o must_v seek_v for_o that_o also_o and_o we_o shall_v find_v the_o same_o in_o the_o say_v 10._o chapter_n and_o first_o he_o give_v we_o a_o reason_n why_o the_o church_n shall_v have_v this_o office_n commit_v to_o she_o in_o these_o word_n the_o scripture_n for_o itself_o need_v not_o the_o witness_n of_o man_n for_o it_o be_v most_o true_a in_o itself_o whether_o it_o be_v understand_v or_o not_o but_o for_o our_o sake_n it_o need_v the_o witness_n of_o the_o church_n because_o otherwise_o we_o be_v not_o certain_a what_o book_n be_v sacred_a and_o divine_a or_o what_o be_v the_o true_a and_o proper_a meaning_n cap._n 10._o respondeo_fw-la christus_fw-la hitherto_o we_o find_v these_o author_n concur_v with_o the_o council_n in_o the_o sense_n aforesaid_a and_o thereby_o 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and_o afterward_o sin_n wilful_o ver_fw-la 26._o by_o forsake_v the_o assembly_n of_o the_o faithful_a vers_fw-la 25._o and_o therefore_o be_v certeine_o subject_v unto_o god_n fiery_a devour_a indignation_n and_o judgement_n ver_fw-la 27._o but_o jew_n and_o pagan_n deny_v salvation_n by_o christ_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o this_o opponent_n pag_n 22._o second_o if_o all_o that_o direct_o deny_v salvation_n by_o christ_n be_v thus_o guilty_a than_o this_o guiltiness_n in_o the_o apostle_n intent_n be_v the_o total_a and_o adequate_a nature_n of_o that_o denial_n otherwise_o the_o proposition_n contain_v not_o a_o universal_a truth_n but_o this_o guiltiness_n in_o the_o apostle_n intent_n be_v not_o the_o total_a and_o adequate_a nature_n of_o that_o denial_n but_o 〈◊〉_d denial_n in_o one_o special_a kind_n viz._n apostasy_n and_o wilful_a backslide_n for_o thus_o lie_v the_o apostle_n reason_n if_o wilful_a forsaker_n of_o their_o profession_n and_o the_o society_n of_o the_o 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be_v under_o the_o hatch_n and_o there_o we_o will_v keep_v they_o this_o opponent_n tell_v we_o pag._n 123._o that_o we_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o romish_a church_n deny_v salvation_n by_o christ_n by_o consequence_n he_o will_v pardon_v we_o that_o labour_n to_o the_o end_n that_o the_o reader_n shall_v see_v &_o we_o confess_v he_o to_o be_v a_o fair_a adversary_n i_o answer_v and_o why_o do_v he_o account_v this_o pardon_n a_o favour_n do_v we_o see_v himself_o do_v confess_v the_o thing_n itself_o so_o often_o do_v he_o think_v himself_o can_v do_v what_o we_o can_v sure_o then_o what_o differ_v he_o from_o the_o bold_a braggadochiaes_n in_o the_o camp_n whereof_o we_o read_v in_o his_o partner_n opponent_n epistle_n it_o may_v be_v he_o will_v say_v he_o that_o make_v that_o proof_n must_v grant_v that_o they_o direct_o hold_v salvation_n by_o christ_n which_o he_o do_v and_o we_o do_v not_o i_o reply_v he_o be_v deceive_v we_o do_v say_v they_o direct_o hold_v salvation_n by_o christ_n according_a to_o the_o voice_n of_o humane_a faith_n as_o i_o have_v answer_v chap._n 11._o num_fw-la 5._o therefore_o if_o any_o thing_n make_v the_o difference_n between_o his_o power_n to_o prove_v and_o we_o it_o be_v not_o his_o affirmation_n and_o our_o negation_n but_o he_o have_v skill_n and_o we_o have_v none_o well_o let_v he_o vaunt_v that_o have_v the_o vain_a to_o the_o present_a matter_n we_o say_v we_o despise_v his_o pardon_n we_o crave_v no_o favour_n let_v he_o do_v his_o worst_a we_o know_v who_o faith_n we_o maintain_v and_o will_v now_o prove_v chap._n 13._o the_o romish_a church_n by_o consequence_n deny_v salvation_n by_o christ_n in_o proof_n of_o this_o sentence_n i_o will_v content_v myself_o with_o a_o argument_n in_o this_o form_n they_o that_o direct_o hold_v salvation_n by_o christ_n and_o other_o thing_n which_o can_v stand_v therewith_o they_o by_o consequence_n deny_v salvation_n by_o christ_n because_o from_o the_o 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