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A42137	A true and perfect relation of the whole transactions concerning the petition of the six counties of South-Wales, and the county of Monmouth, formerly presented to the Parliament of the Common-Wealth of England for a supply of Godly ministers, and an account of ecclesiasticall revenues therein with Parliaments resolves, and proceedings thereupon, now humbly represented to His Highnesse the Lord Protector's consideration / published by A.G.	Griffith, Alexander, d. 1690.	1654 (1654)	Wing G1989; ESTC R177698	38,108	69

penalties of these Acts for transgressing against the same when they neither heard or saw the same or were made privy therewith there being a great distance betwixt Westminster Hall and Wales And therefore the Petitioners doe well hope that the same commendable course commandded and observed in England ought to be also Practised in Wales being part of the same Common-wealth subject to the same Law and Authority and not independant or distant from the supreame Power of the Parliament The Petitioners acknowledging the goodnesse and favour of the Parliament to have beene all along equally distributed to them in their Acts Orders and Edicts as well as to other parts of the Nation But the Petitioners with griefe and sadnesse of heart cannot but complaine for want of the due examination and observance thereof And whereas the said Commissioners or at least wise those that have put in their said Answer under a shew of Humanity doe uncharitably conceive and give forth that the Promoters of the Petition are persons well known to be pretenders of the Worke of God thereby to carry on other designes branding them abroade and before this Honourable Committee by way of Recrimination with the Name of Malignants Delinquents and all affected persons and such as have a designe to bring in power Malignants and to re-invest scandalous Malignant unpreaching Ministers and Curats notwithstanding their Petition and Prosecution thereof speaks the contrary The Petitioners and Promoters thereof dare appeale as touching the sincerity of their thoughts and affections to the Parliament and the truth of the Petition to the Righteous God that judgeth righteously and trieth the Heart and Reynes before whose Judgement Seat they doubt not but to appeare as innocent from those things laid to their charge as most of their Accusers who as they feare doe judge before their time and are wise above what is Revealed The Lord onely knowes who are his and who are onely pretenders of true Religion and who not and who they are that drive and carry at selfe interest under faire and specious pretences and count gaine godlinesse making too great hast to grow rich which true Believers dare not doe The Petitioners therefore not regarding the judgement of men dare trust their Good and Gracious God in all Conditions And doe humbly Acquiesce in his most Righteous Judgements Earnestly beseeching your Honours Seriously Piously and Christianly to weigh and consider the Premises and the Particulars exhibited by the Petitioners And as it was impossible for the Petitioners to prepare the particulars of the seven Counties in two Dayes time much lesse in one so it was impossible to Reply to the Commissioners Answer untill they saw the same and had a Copy thereof Especially not understanding the meaning of the Order untill it was explained And as your Honours favourably entertained and received their particulars though the Petitioners for the reason aforesaid failed in strictnesse of time So they likewise pray your Honours to accept of this their Reply the Petitioners having not obtained a Copy of their Answer untill your Honours by the Order of the 16th of July did command and Order the same though your Petitioners ever since the 10. of May since it was lodged with this Committee used their endeavours therein which untill July the 16th proved fruitlesse And the Petitioners pray this Reply may be added and annexed to their particulars to be reported to the Parliament that Command may issue fourth to the Countrey according to the Resolves of Parliament to examine Witnesses for discovery and manifestation of the truth of the premises And the Petitioners likewise pray the particular Booke of Accompt mentioned in the Report of the Sub-Committee may be produced and the Petitioners have a Copy thereof with time and liberty to sur-charge the same And that your Honours would favourably consider of all the grievances in Order to a settlement of a convenient number of Godly able Ministers and Schoole-Masters such as the Parliament and your Honours shall approve of and an accompt for the profits of the Tithes c. Received since the Commissioners were impowered And that in Order to a future supply of such Ministers and Schoole-Masters and improving and advancing the Tithes and Revenues aforesaid The Parliament will be pleased to take such course therein as they shall thinke meete for where is no vision the People perish And so having done our best endeavours therein and discharged our Consciences we shall say no more at this time but patiently waite on our God who in his One time without doubt will beare Witnesse of the Truth by the Petitioners Averred in the Petition In which they aime at nothing more than the Glory of God the good of His Church and People The true Propagation of his glorious Gospell The safety and well-fare of their Countrey in particular and this Commonwealth in generall waiting in hope and Expectation of a blessing and successe accordnigly Mr. Tho Lewis Mr. Tho. Powell and Mr. Griffith Hatley their Letter to Mr. Jenk Jones MR. Jones we desire to be resolved by you whether the ejected Ministers of this Country who have been silenced suspended now this long time ab officio beneficio may at last have the door of utterance opened and be permitted to preach the Gospel freely among those that do much want it do as earnestly call for it as the parched Earth after the dew and Raine of Heaven The reason why we put this busines to the question is because about the last spring some of our fellow Ministers taking the boldnes to preach the word of God were some of them sent prisoners to Chepsto Garrison others pull'd out of the Pulpit and all the rest were threatned to have the same measure meted unto them if they should make the same attempts and therefore wee desire to know whether we are under the same restraint still or are at liberty wee doubt not but that you can resolve us herein as well as any other in this County and we hope you will be pleased to satisfie our civill request herein and vouchsafe a line of answer which you may direct to either of the subscribers who are Sir Your friends as far as you are a friend to Christ and his wayes Tho. Lewis Tho. Powell Griffith Hatley Feb. 6. 1653 Mr. Jenk Jones Letter in Answer to the former Gentlemen YOur Letter dated Feb. 6. 1653. I received the first of March And in answer to what you propose therein I shall onely put you in minde that you are still and more than like to be in the same condition with those in the last Spring And tell you that you are to expect the same measure from the * See the Government or the Articles signed by the Lord Protector present Power whose connivance you seem at least to fansie to your selves As your brethren had the last Spring from the then powers And also that you need not pretend your being pressed as from pitty to water the parched earth there being more Sermons Preached now in one moneth then were formerly in twelve and with very much though I dare not say with a greater blessing consider the restraint-fearing-Spirit that 's in you Your friend and servant Jen. Jones March 2. 1653. Mr. Lewis Mr. Powel and Mr. Ha●lies Reply to Mr. Jenkin Jones Answer MR. Jones wee thank you for your Letter wherein you have fully resolved us what we must expect if we Preach the Gospell in this poor Countrey nothing but bonds and imprisonment if you divine aright abide us If we be silent and do not Preach we are reproached and if we do Preach we are menaced A hard dilemma Sir notwithstanding your paines in preaching which nevertheless is much abated of what it was since you have caught the f●●h that you looked for there are many dry and thirsty soules in this Country that are very seldom refreshed with the dew of Heavenly Doctrine and for want thereof do daily relapse to Popery and that in no small number we could name above 20 Parish churches in this County in many whereof there have not been above two Sermons this 12 moneth and in most of them none at all yet the Inhabitants pay their Tithes still as formerly Their complaints have fill'd the ears of men long since and have no doubt e're this ascended up to the eares of the Lord of Saboth We shall therefore in compassion to these poor soules adventure to bestow our paines among them and put our selves upon the candor clemency of our present Governour from whom we do expect and doubt not to find better measure then you forbad us or then our fellow Ministers received the last Spring when other powers swayed to wit your own That there are more Sermons preached now in a month then was formerly in 12. will hardly finde credit with any that knowes this Country and is such a story that men will admire to have proceeded from your Pen since that we do not know of above two Itinerant Preachers resident in the Country and one of the two hardly worth the name of a Preacher whereas formerly there was a preaching Minister almost in every parish some Impropriations except and most of them graduated in the Universities and able and painfull men in their callings Consider better of that passage of your Letter and consider what spirit you are of for the Spirit of God is a spirit of truth Nec mendax est nec mordax Your loving friends Tho. Lewis Tho. Pow. Gr. Hatly March 6. 1653. And thus you have a full Narration of the Petition the Petitioners charge The Commissioners Answer and the Reply thereunto which makes evident to all Christian soules the deplorable Condition of the Inhabitants of Wales concerning their Soules we fare wherein they continue to this very day enduring a Famine of the Word and the Bread of life being tendered unto them is forbidden As may appeare by these Letters sent unto me from 3 Reverend and Orthodox Ministers and Batchelors of Divinity within the County of Brecknock directed to Capt Jenk Jones one of the Itineraries with his unchristian and insolent Answer thereunto FINIS

with good security for payment thereof yet let out at 28 l. per ann The Impropriate Tythe of Llandilio Groseny late the Earl of Worcesters worth 100 l. per annum set out to Nich. Symons at 60 l. per annum although the Petitioners offered 95 l. per ann paying contributions The Tythe of Llanvetherine worth 100 l. per annum the Parishioners offered 80 l. per annum for it yet let out at 60 l. per annum to one Charles Godard his wife being Mr. Cradocks neere Kinswoman The Tythe of Gresmont worth 100 l. per annum and so offered by the Parishoners but let out to a brother of one of the Commissioners for Propagation at 10 l. per annum and so for the rest and residue for all Parishes within the said Counties being every where set out at undervalues Secondly the Petitioners will prove that the said Tythes and Premises have not been posted up and publickly exposed to Farme to the Parishoners and particular owners and others that would have given most for the same as is usuall in Improving and advancing other Rents and publique Revenues disposable by the Parliament and others Authorized by them 3. By letting the same to Friends Kindred Creatures and alliance of the Sequestrators and others intrusted with the letting thereof as some have been before particularly instanced by name and divers others that might be named The Seventh Generall HEAD 7. That for want of the due Execution of the said Act the Petitioners together with the Inhabitants endure a famine of the Word of God More Particularly 1. By the scarsity of the persons stipended allowed and appointed to preach and officiate 2. By allowing persons to preach and officiate that have borne actuall Armes against the Parliament and other ill affected persons to the Parliament viz. One Hugh Rogers of the County of Monmouth who hath been in actuall Armes against the Parliament and so continued whilest the late King had any visible strength or interest in the Nation to protect him and others of his Confederates of the same Principles The said Hugh Rogers being one that did formerly revile and vilify the Parliament and Army and all the godly party and their proceedings That Robert Prichard Parson of Neverne hath during the late Warrs deserted his habitation joyned with the enemy and acted with Captaine Edward Lloyd his Father in Law in Kidwelley Castle against the Parliament and as it is generally believed hath not yet subscribed the Ingagement yet allowed and beneficed That one Hughes of the County of Carmarthen being a person disaffected to the Parliament and present Government and one that joyned with the enemy in the late Rebellion of Poyer c. against the Parliament is permitted and allowed to preach and officiate and holds one or two Benefices whereas divers others that never bore Armes against the Parliament are ejected on very slender accompt particularly Mr Nicholson M. Evans Mr. Thomas Mr. Powell Mr. Hatley Doctor Edwards Mr. Griffith and others That one Thomas Price of the County of Cardigan was setled by the Bishop since the reducing of that County to the obedience of the Parl. and one that hath kept an Alehouse and a great frequenter of Alehouses 3. The Inhabitants endure a famine of the Word of God by reason severall other persons now imployed and stipended to preach and officiate that are deboyst drunken persons scandalous in their lives and conversations More particularly Thomas Field of the County of Penbroke John Phillips of the same David Evans of the County of Cardigan William Jones of the County of Brecon William Jones of the County of Monmouth and severall others that might be instanced insomuch that the Inhabitants are much discouraged to repaire to their meetings and exercises 4. The Inhabitants indure a Famine of the Word of God by reason of severall illiterate persons that are of different opinions that doe teach and officiate causing great rents and divisions among their Auditories and severall contestations and disturbances to the endangering the peace of the County More particularly At Myniddv-stayne on Munday in Easter week last at Bedways on Low-Easter Sunday at Swanzey at Merthir and other places at some of which differences and disturbances there have been severall swords drawne and some hurt and the Inhabitants put to a great feare lest these differences doe grow wider to the endangering of the publique peace of the Country By which means the Inhabitants are very much disheartned and discouraged from comming to their Meetings which are so remote and uncertaine that the aged lame impotent and poorer sort that are not provided with horses cannot and many thousands know not where or how to come to those places where they exercise their meetings being sometimes ten sometimes twenty miles and sometimes more from some parts of a County and one while in one County and another while in another County and but very few in any one place constant So that a man on a Lords day may ride twenty miles through a county and not see a Church doore open supplyed with a constant able godly Minister More particularly In the county of Brecon there are above fifty Parish Churches besides Chappels that for above this twelve moneeh have not been supplyed with a constant preaching Minister and at this very time on most Lords dayes there are above fifty Churches that are shut up and unsupplyed 5. That in the Parishes of Llanvihangell Nantbrane Llandilervane Tralloigne the Colledge of Brecon where formerly there was a Lecture once a fortnight and many other Churches the Word of God hath not been taught these two yeers That the Towne of Brecon being one of the chiefest Corporations and most populous in South wales the Towne of Crickhowell the Towne of the Hay and Buielt being all Market towns in the said County there have not been any one constant able Teacher or Minister for two yeers last past And divers other townes and parishes in South-wales which might be instanced whereby the people are much exposed and the greater opportunity offered them to profane the Lords day and spend the same in Alehouses and other leud places to the great dishonouring of God and endangering the soules and consciences of the Inhabitants thereof 6. That the persons named and intrusted for Approvers by the said Act of Febr. 1649. doe live very remote one from another some in North-wales some in South-wales and one of them in London who being also Itinerant Teachers which makes their residence unconstant they doe meet but seldome to receive entertain and incourage others to come in and offer themselves to supply the rooms of the ejected Ministers without whose approbation none can be admitted Whereas the Commissioners in order to ejecting of the Ministers and disposing of the Tythes and premisses doe sit frequently by five but by twelve for Appeals but very seldome The Eight generall Head 8. That Children are not bred and educated in the Instruction and information of the