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A34395 The principles of the most ancient and modern philosophy concerning God, Christ and the creatures ... being a little treatise published since the author's death, translated out of the English into Latin, with annotations taken from the ancient philosophy of the Hebrews, and now again made English / by J.C., Medicinæ Professor. Conway, Anne, 1631-1679.; Crull, J. (Jodocus), d. 1713? 1692 (1692) Wing C5989; ESTC R8533 67,596 178

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whatsoever Extension a Body hath the same is so necessary and essential to it that it is impossible for it to be more or less extended when nevertheless a Spirit may be more or less extended as they affirm and seeing to be moveable and figurable are only consequential Attributes of Extension for that a Spirit is far otherwise moveable and figurable than a Body because a Spirit can move and form it self as a Body cannot The same Reason which is good against the one is good against the other also § 4. BUT Secondly How can they prove Impenetrability is an Essential Attribute of Body or that Penetrability is an Essential Attribute of Spirit Why may not Body be more or less impenetrable and Spirit more or less penetrable as it may and indeed doth happen in all other Attributes For ex gr some Body may be more or less heavy or light condensed or rarefied solid or liquid hot or cold then why may it not also be more or less penetrable or impenetrable If it be said that in all those other Mutations we always observe that a Body remains impenetrable as Iron when it is heat red-hot yet remains still impenetrable I Answer I grant it may remain impenetrable of any other Body of equal thickness yet may and is entirely penetrated of a more subtile Body sc of the Fire which hath entred into it and penetrated all its parts whereby 't is made so soft and if the Fire be stronger begins wholly to melt But if against this they Object that the ingress of Fire into the Iron is not penetration in a Philosophical Sence nor as they understand it viz. as though the Fire and Iron did possess but one place and so the one could be intrinsecally present in the other because it is manifest to the contrary that Iron if it be made candent or glowing hot it swelleth and acquireth a greater Bulk than when it is cold and as it waxeth cold again it returneth to its former dimension To this I Answer If they mean such a Penetration which we call Intrinseck Presence viz. that one Homogeneal Substance should enter into another both being of equal Dimensions and yet the bulk or quantity not increased that seems wholly irrational And it would be a mere impossibility and contradiction to grant such an intimate Presence in Creatures which only agrees unto God and Christ as Creators whose Prerogative it is to be intrinsecally present in Creatures whereas no Creature can have that Intrinseck Presence in its Fellow Creature because then it would cease to be a Creature and obtain one of the incommunicable Attributes of God and Christ which is Intrinseck Presence This I say is primarily to be attributed to God and secondarily to Christ in as much as he is Medium quid or a certain Medium between God and Creatures and who as he is Partaker of Mutability and Immutability of Eternity and Time so he may be said to be Partaker of Body and Spirit and consequently of Place and Extension For in as much as his Body is of another Substance than the Bodies of all other Creatures as of whom he is the nearest Beginning to God it may be truly said he is intrinsecally present in them and yet not so as to be confounded with them For to suppose one Creature intrinsecally present in another so as to be mingled and most perfectly united with it and yet its Quantity or Extension not increased that confounds the Creatures and maketh two or more to be but one Yea according to this Hypothesis it may be said the whole Creation is reducible into the quantity of the least Grain or Dust because every part would be supposed to penetrate another and no greater extension follow than of one Part. But if it be said that only proves that Spirits may be reduced into so small a space but not Bodies Because Bodies are Impenetrable I Answer This is but a begging of the question because they have not yet proved that Body and Spirit are distinct Substances which unless they are it follows that one Nature is not more penetrable than the other according to their sence And indeed it seems very consentaneous to Reason that as Times are each of them so extended into their due Measures and Extensions that they cannot exceed those Bounds and so cannot be intrinsecally present one with another as ex gr the First Day of the Week cannot be present with the Second Day of the same Week nor the First Hour of the Day with the Second neither is the First Minute of an Hour present with the Second Minute thereof because such is the Nature and Essence of Time that it is successive and hath partes extra partes or parts one without another When nevertheless God is really and intrinsecally present in all Times and is not changed which cannot be said of the Creature sc that that is present in all or more Times and not changed for the Creature is perpetually changed with Times seeing Times are nothing else but the Motion or Change of the Creature from one State or Condition into another And as it is in the case of Time and Creatures which are in Time so also in the case of Place Bulk or Quantity for as in God there is no Time so also in him there is no Bulk or Corporeal Quantity but in Creatures there is both Time and Corporeal Quantity because otherwise they would be either God or Nothing which is impossible For whatsoever Quantity Bulk or Extension any Creature hath it retains the same as something which is of its own Essence as it is the Essence of Time to consist of more parts and those again of more and so ad infinitum For it may be easily conceived how a less Time is in a greater ex gr how so many Minutes are in an Hour and so many Hours in a Day and one Hour doth immediately touch the next but cannot be present in it the same is to be understood of the Creatures in regard of their Quantity or Bulk for indeed one Creature may immediately touch another but cannot be present in all its parts but only a less may be in a greater and a subtiler in a grosser and this is more properly Penetration which agrees to Bodies as well as Spirits as some Body that is less gross may penetrate another that is more gross but two Bodies of an equal thickness cannot penetrate each other The same may be said of Spirits which have their degrees of more or less grossness as Bodies have Neither is there any other difference between Body and Spirit if Body be not taken in their sence who teach that it is a Thing merely Dead and void of Life or a Capacity thereof but in a proper sence sc that it is an excellent Creature having Life and Sense which either actually or potentially agrees to it but this that a Body is the grosser part of a thing and Spirit the subtiler