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A11528	A trewe mirrour or glase wherin we maye beholde the wofull state of thys our realme of Englande set forth in a dialogue or communicacion betwene Eusebius and Theophilus.	Saunders, Laurence, d. 1555, attributed author.	1556 (1556)	STC 21777; ESTC S100967	20,497	40

many become Antichristes alredye And therefore the daunger is not nowe onely but then and alwayes to be taken hede vnto And it is the more daunger in that they shall come in the name of Chryst pretendyng hys authoritye and by that meanes the rather deceaue the good simple mā beholde therefore I haue told you before saith the Lorde take hede c. Eusebius well yet I se not in al this but we haue as good cause to take hede of you as you of vs and more to for we are of greatter authorite and better can we showe for our selues then you T. That woulde I faine vnderstand for therein lyeth the whole matter E. Wel sir then harken first we are come to this poynt that betwene vs is stryfe whether we catholikes be the true churche of Chryst and you protestauntes false Prophetes or els we the false harlottes and you the trewe men The. Ye saye trueth nowe for the profe of your authorytye and that your catholykes be the true church of Chryste let vs heare what you can saye Eu. Thus I saye then that our churche hath been of a long continuaunce from Chrystes tyme vnto thys daye and it hath been also vniuersall thorowe out all Chrystendome not here or there but thorowe oute And they haue alwayes one consente within them selues now by these thre poyntes doe the greateste learned men geue a sure and certayne knowledge of the true church vnto all men that is to wite by antiquite vniuersalite and consent and me thynkes it sufficient for it cannot deceaue Theophilus Doe you thynke thys a sufficient proffe Eusebius Yea doutelesse what can you saye to the contrarye Theophilus Mary I say that by this reason ye maye proue the Scrybes and Pharyses to bee the true churche and Chryste to be a false Prophete for they professed Moises law and obserued it also better then your Catholikes doe now the gospel and thys law ye know was of great antiquitie and so were also many of theyr own tradicions that they had deuysed besyde that lawe so that they had antiquite sufficiente and vniuersall they were thoroweout all Iuda and Ierusalem as we thorowe Chrystendome and theyr consentye may vnderstande by the death of Chryste whereunto they all consented and agreed Eusebius Yea but ye must vnderstande that oure churche begane fyrste at Chryste and so from thence had her antiquitie and from him it beganne to be vniuersall and in hym the consente is effectuall Theophilus Naye then ye make your matter wursie then before Eusebius Dooe I so Theophilus Yea verely doe ye for tell me what thynke you of the churche of the Apostles was not that a perfecte true churche Eusebius Yes verely and so perfect as I beeleue there hath not been a perfecter Theophilus Very well but I praye you of what antiquitie were theyr You graunt that Chryst was the begynner of that churche beyng here a liuing man on earth And then howe could they alledge for themselues antiquitie And seyng they had not your markes specially antiquitie it shoulde appeare by your reason not to be the true churche or els if ye graunte that to bee the true churche and your churche and that churche haue not like probacion then muste youre churche be a false churche there is no remedy Eusebius Ye play the sophister with me now brother Theophilus T. Naye truly the reason is so playne that euery ploweman maye well vnderstande the same E. Well yet if they hadde not that antiquitie which we haue this maketh no discorde among vs for we haue antiquitie by the reasō we haue continued so longe in that doctryne and ordinaunces whiche they deliuered vnto vs now therfore is that same waxen olde by time which then was new begon and therfore thys is but a cauillacion of sophisters to shyft of an inconueniaunce whyche els would ensewe and thys is the maner of subtyle disputers as the most part of your opinion be subtile disputers and haue good heades full of inuencion and doutelesse many of them haue much learninge I moughte saye to muche well inoughe Theophilus That is the common saying of your catholykes nowe and yet I remember within these fewe yeares when they woulde crye oute and saie they haue no learning at all but onely haue redde an Englishe booke a to peny boke as for learning they had none And nowe agayne they saye they deceaue all the worlde by to muche learnyng thys they saye they care not what so they be talking But nowe whereas you thynke myne obieccion to be but a cauillacion ye muste vnderstande that it is a greate matter to deceaue men in the pryncypall poynte of our fayth as to reache vs to knowe the churche by a false meane as they saye by antiquitie whereas ye knowe the beste churche had it not But then whereas ye vrge antiquitie nowe for that ye haue of longe tyme continued in the doctryne and obseruaunces of the Apostles I denye that and put you to your proues wherin doe ye continew in the Apostles doctryne and obseruaunces Eusebius Forseth in all thynges that the churche teacheth there is nothyng as I thynke but the Scripture dooeth teache the same Theophilus Then I praye you tell me in what place of the Scripture doe you fynde that we ought to knele downe to crepe and kysse Images to sence them to decke them and trime them wyth such lyke or els rather tel me in how many places of the Scripture we be commaunded to the contrarye As in the second commaundemente and a thousande places beeside and like as in that poynte so almost in all the reste I could proue that your catholykes do not onely not folowe the doctrine of the holye Scripture but also teache another doctryne cōtrarye to the same now if they wyll yet for all that boast themselues of Chryste and the Apostles and yet teache another doctryne contrary to the holy Scriptures oughte we not to take hede and beware of them Eusebius Well yet tell me thys one thynge hath not Chryste had a Churche heare in earth euer sence hys resurreccion hath not the churche preached and continued visible a knowē churche styl in al places not in corners heare or there but thorowe oute all Christendom openly had the rule and gouerned the whole congregacion from time to time And your churche beganne of late yeares was a straunge thyng not knowen but a litell whyle in a fewe places of Germanye and so heare in England but it is quailed againe wythin short space and yet I cannot tell howe if it had been the trewe churche of Chryst it could not so sone haue been ouerthrowen wherfore if there were nothyng els but this reason yet is it sufficiente to stablysh the consciences of good simple men For there can be nothyng sayd vnto it Theoph. Yes Eusebius if ye list to hearken I wyll aunswere you in suche wyse as I trust you shal be satisfyed E. I wyl hearken gladlye Theophilus

for if ye can answere me to this I haue no more to say Theophilus Then heare me I pray you I graunt you that Chryst hath had a churche or congregacion heare in yearth whyche hath continually preached hys gospell hys testamente hys holy worde from his resurreccion yea from the begynnyng vnto thys daye these have been visible and knowen as Iohn the Baptyst was knowen to Herode Chryste was knowen to the Iewes for Iohn was behedded and Chryste was crucified and whiche of the Apostles escaped that was not putte to death some hanged some broiled some rosted some one cruel death and some another and therefore ye may be sure they were knowen And yet because ye shall not saye but euen the Apostles hydde them selues and fledde ye reade howe Saincte Paule was lette down in a basket ouer the wall and wente hys waye and I praye you howe many yeares after the Apostles were the menne of God vexed and persecuted And all this was for preaching the gospel of Iesus Christ Nowe whereas ye laye to oure charge that our churche beganne but of late your churche is the more to be suspected for that which haue so longe space kepte downe the gospell for we professe none other doctrine then the Apostles and Martyrs did whiche died for it as ye see howe our preachers and diuers other good brethren are contēted to geue ouer theyr lyues lykewyse for the same as the Apostles dyd For Chryste hath taughte in dyuers places that we should suffer for his doctrine but he neuer taught to kyll any for it The rule that your Prelates haue taken ouer the churches hath been and yet is like princes and not lyke Apostles they playe the destroyers but not the saueours they folow their master the deuill and not oure master Chryste And therefore lette no man thynke that Chryste mayntayneth hys churche in suche pompe and pryde but rather layeth on them the crosse for he sayeth the seruaunte is not greater then hys Lorde yf they haue persecuted me they shall also persecute you and so foorth But nowe youre Prelates fynde oute suche balde reasons to perswade the symple to be of theyr side and say they where are these new felowes become they be gone but Christes churche is a visible churche a knowen churche not hydde in corners But sheweth her selfe openlye And suche like But I praye you where was theyr churche in Kinge Edwardes dayes If there were no more reasons to proue it a false church but that same one it were sufficiente to proue them false dissemblers For where as Christes Apostles disciples and many Martyrs after that would rather lose theyr lyues then denye theyr master or his doctryne they were contented not onely to subscribe but also to preach earnestly against that whiche they nowe defende if ye will haue one named axe the Byshoppe of London whether he haue not preached agaynste the Pope Yea and whyche of them hath not where was there any of them that woulde burne hys lytell fynger for the maintenaunce of theyr doctryne And nowe ye see the other companye hauinge another maner of hope of the resurreccyon they come and offer themselues I tel you trueth heare is a great difference and if yet for al this you wyll haue that Chrystes churche which is so addycted to the worlde that for safegard of their liues and liuinges they wil say whatsoeuer they shal then Christes churche were wonderfully chaunged from that it was in the beegynnynge Weye you the matter in your conscience brother Eusebius Yea behold what pleasure they haue in shedding of bloud Eusebius Surely ye haue layde soore to my charge brother Theophilus and to saye the trueth theyr tyrannye my stomake dooeth abhorre But yet tell me one thynge if these signes and tokens be vncerten to knowe Chrystes churche howe doe you know the trewe spouse of Christ what tokens canne you showe me whereby I mighte assuredly knowe Chrystes churche and not bee deceaued Theophilus I will tell you brother Eusebius but firste call to remembraunce the warninge that Chryste gaue vs to be ware of false Prophetes and also the admonycyon of Sayncte Paull to the same ende and the wytnesse of Sayncte Iohn who affyrmed that many were come in his tyme and in many places of Sayncte Paull ye shall see howe he complaineth of them that they wente aboute to subuert the ghospell of Chryste and that in the name of Christe And therefore to thentente we shoulde not bee deceaued vnder the couler of holy aunciente fathers or any such lyke Gala. 1. he gaue vs thys moste certeyne and infallyble rule sayinge If we oure selues marke well hys wordes if we oure selues or an Aungell from heauen preache vnto you a gospell that hath not been preached already to you holde hym accursed As I sayd so I saye agayne sayeth he if we or an Aungell from heauen preache vnto you another doctryne whiche hath not been by vs preached already lette hym bee accursed and so foorth Now tell me Eusebius If youre catholyke churche doe preache any doctryne besyde or contrarye to the doctryne of Saynct Paul and the reste of the Apostles haue we not here a playn rule to refuse them and holde them accursed And haue we not here sufficiente instruccion howe to knowe the perfect true churche Eusebius Verely I cannot tell what to saye for ye haue almoste caughte me in youre nette but yet I will learne more argumentes to oppose againste you the whiche if you canne lykewyse solute I wyll geue place for me thynkes ye meane well and I partlye doute whether in verye dede ye haue the veritie on youre syde the whyche being certenlye knowen I will not bee ashamed to confesse mine ignoraunce For what shoulde we seake but the glory of Chryste Theophilus Woulde God all Englyshe men were lyke minded I meane not that they shoulde strayghte waye geue place to vs but that they would quietlye bee contented to debate the matter charitably brotherly and frendly some there bee that woulde but they beare not the sweye and therefore with pacience we must remaine and beholde what the good wil and pleasure of oure Lorde God is vpon vs for our offences and sinnes Eusebius Now surely the sentence is geuen in euery kingedome within it selfe deuided shal bee destroyed Theophi Well the good wil of god be don Except we may deceaue his Prophetes by earnest repentaunce with the Niniuites as is sayd before as Ionas was deceaued els there is no remedy But yet who so putteth his trust in the lord shal not be confounded therfore whatsoeuer become of the rest happy are they that put theyr trust in the lord Brother Eusebius when your argumentes be ready let vs haue them in communicacion I shall bee ready at all tymes by Goddes grace to heare you In the meane season I commytte you to god E Fare ye wel brother Theo Wyth all my hearte FINIS Dominus mí chì adiutor nò timebo quid faciat mihi homo ¶ P. N ¶ The Lordes prayer OVr father which in heauen art And makest vs all one brotherhod To call vpon thee with one heart Our heauenly father and our god Graunt we pray not with lyppes alone But wyth the heart depe sigthe and grone Thy blessed name be sanctifyed Thy heauenly worde mought vs inflame In holy lyfe for to abide To magnifie thyne holy name From all errours defende and kepe The litell flocke of thy pore shepe Thy kyngdome come euen at thys houre And henceforth euerlastingly Thyne holy gost into vs power Wyth all hys gyftes most plenteously From Satans rage and fylthy bande Defende vs with thy myghtie hande Thy wyll be done with diligence Lyke as in heauen in earth also In trouble graunt vs pacience And thee to obeye in wealth and woe Let not fleshe bloud or any ill Preuayle agaynst thy holy wyll Geue vs thys day our dayly bread And all other good thynges of thyne Kepe vs from warre and from bloudesheade Also from sickenes dearth and pyne That we may lyue in quietnes Wythout all gredy carefulnes Forgeue vs our offences all Reliue our carefull conscience As we forgeue both great and small Which vnto vs haue done offence Prepare vs lord for to serue thee In perfect loue and vnitie O Lord into temptacion Leade vs not when the fynde doth rage To wythstande his inuasion Geue power and strength in euery age Arme and make strong thy feable hoste Wyth faith and with the holy goste O Lord from euill deliuer vs The dayes and tymes are daungerous From euerlasting death saue vs And in our last neade comforte vs. A blessed ende to vs bequeath Into thyne handes our soules receaue For thou o Lord art kyng of kynges And thou hast power ouer al Thy glory shineth in all thynges In the wyde world vniuersall Amen let it be done o Lorde That we haue prayed with one accorde AMEN