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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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less_o and_o what_o be_v to_o be_v expect_v from_o child_n of_o that_o age_n more_o then_o from_o infant_n towards_o baptism_n for_o nazianzen_n himself_o confess_v that_o though_o they_o may_v then_o hear_v and_o answer_v some_o spiritual_a thing_n yet_o they_o understand_v imperfect_o but_o do_v nazianzen_n give_v we_o there_o any_o scripture_n for_o this_o differ_v none_o do_v he_o give_v any_o reason_n even_o in_o effect_n the_o same_o as_o for_o baptise_v of_o infant_n in_o danger_n of_o death_n to_o wit_n that_o they_o may_v be_v sanctify_v in_o mind_n and_o body_n second_o 6._o examen_fw-la sect._n 6._o mr._n t._n object_n upon_o our_o allege_v nazianzen_n against_o all_o the_o greek_a father_n in_o effect_n that_o we_o have_v allege_v and_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o greek_a church_n touch_v infant-baptisme_n first_o thus_o it_o be_v wonder_n to_o i_o say_v mr._n
the_o holy_a supper_n to_o the_o disciple_n 2_o cornelius_z his_o and_o the_o gaoler_n family_n after_o the_o gather_n of_o church_n be_v not_o by_o that_o number_v to_o any_o particular_a church_n or_o thereby_o make_v particular_a church_n that_o we_o read_v now_o that_o which_o exist_v afore_o or_o after_o a_o thing_n without_o that_o thing_n can_v be_v the_o form_n of_o that_o thing_n 3_o that_o which_o be_v common_a can_v be_v proper_a and_o peculiar_a but_o baptism_n be_v common_a to_o make_v man_n only_o visible_a christian_n in_o general_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o proper_a and_o peculiar_a to_o make_v they_o of_o this_o or_o that_o particular_a church_n and_o therefore_o though_o godly_a man_n or_o their_o infant_n have_v be_v baptize_v yet_o the_o church_n think_v according_a to_o scripture_n that_o there_o must_v be_v somewhat_o more_o express_v to_o make_v such_o to_o own_o this_o or_o that_o preach_a officer_n to_o be_v their_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n who_o they_o must_v obey_v in_o the_o lord_n and_o have_v in_o singular_a respect_n for_o the_o work_v sake_n heb._n 13._o and_o to_o cause_v that_o minister_n to_o own_v they_o as_o his_o flock_n act._n 20._o if_o he_o mean_v not_o to_o take_v upon_o he_o a_o power_n apostolical_a for_o latitude_n to_o extend_v to_o all_o baptize_v once_o nor_o can_v it_o be_v pretend_v that_o this_o minister_n baptise_v they_o do_v make_v they_o of_o his_o congregation_n because_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n 41._o anabaptist_n their_o confession_n of_o faith_n artic._n 41._o set_v forth_o by_o the_o seven_o brethren_n of_o their_o fraternity_n say_v that_o any_o preach_a disciple_n that_o be_v no_o particular_a church_n officer_n or_o p●rsons_n extraordinary_o send_v but_o as_o consider_v disciple_n be_v design_v by_o ch●ist_a to_o dispense_v this_o ordinance_n which_o we_o look_v upon_o we_o as_o a_o second_o fault_n in_o discipline_n follow_v upon_o the_o anabaptist_n baptism_n for_o we_o find_v not_o that_o any_o baptize_v other_o but_o either_o they_o be_v extraordinary_a officer_n as_o the_o apostle_n or_o evangelist_n or_o else_o particular_a church_n pastor_n or_o teacher_n nor_o be_v there_o any_o thing_n in_o the_o scripture_n allege_v in_o their_o confession_n but_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n we_o speak_v divine_a reason_n also_o concur_v with_o we_o for_o a_o disciple_n as_o a_o disciple_n be_v only_o a_o member_n of_o the_o universal_a visible_a church_n and_o so_o he_o can_v confer_v nothing_o but_o what_o he_o have_v and_o so_o bring_v his_o brother_n no_o further_o in_o subjection_n to_o church_n ordinance_n than_o be_v administer_v by_o the_o universal_a visible_a church_n and_o so_o can_v never_o be_v censure_v ●in_a case_n of_o lapse_n unless_o the_o universal_a visible_a church_n concur_v which_o can_v never_o be_v and_o so_o church_n discipline_n fall_v to_o the_o ground_n 3_o anabaptist_n have_v in_o many_o age_n admit_v general_o all_o that_o will_v take_v up_o their_o baptism_n basil_n epiphan_n anaceph_n p._n 408._o e_o dit_fw-mi lat._n basil_n epiphanius_n show_v we_o in_o the_o fore_n quote_v place_n that_o they_o affirm_v that_o for_o a_o man_n to_o stray_v in_o some_o great_a sin_n be_v nothing_o god_n require_v nothing_o but_o that_o he_o shall_v be_v of_o their_o faith_n augustine_n in_o his_o four_o book_n against_o the_o donatist_n complain_v and_o quote_v cyprian_a as_o condole_v the_o same_o that_o many_o cord_n in_o melius_fw-la non_fw-la mutato_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o many_o be_v not_o change_v in_o heart_n that_o renounce_v the_o world_n in_o word_n not_o in_o deed_n be_v baptize_v and_o in_o another_o place_n speak_v of_o it_o as_o a_o error_n of_o some_o in_o those_o time_n errant_a qui_fw-la p●aeter_fw-la delectum_fw-la omnes_fw-la ad_fw-la baptismum_fw-la admittunt_fw-la they_o err_v say_v augustine_n that_o admit_v all_o to_o baptism_n without_o any_o choice_n or_o difference_n and_o one_o of_o the_o late_a anabaptist_n in_o a_o book_n call_v the_o mark_n or_o character_n of_o the_o beast_n say_v that_o any_o man_n upon_o confession_n of_o sin_n though_o he_o manifest_v no_o sign_n of_o grace_n aught_o to_o be_v baptize_v thus_o of_o fault_n in_o discipline_n 4_o by_o anabaptism_n have_v be_v occasion_v many_o unnecessary_a dispute_n 1_o whether_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o baptize_v signify_v to_o dip_v to_o rantize_n or_o to_o sprinkle_v whereas_o they_o baptize_v in_o old_a time_n some_o in_o their_o bed_n afore_o bed_n see_v afore_o or_o couch_n clinidia_n couch_n clinidia_n therefore_o dip_v not_o they_o the_o baptism_n of_o table_n mar._n 7.4_o here_o the_o word_n can_v signify_v dip_v the_o israelite_n be_v say_v to_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o cloud_n and_o the_o red_a sea_n but_o they_o be_v but_o sprinkle_v in_o the_o cloud_n and_o not_o dip_v in_o the_o sea_n 2_o whether_o those_o baptize_v by_o man_n erroneous_a in_o judgement_n aught_o to_o be_v rebaptise_v aug._n against_o the_o donatist_n 3_o whether_o there_o be_v original_a sin_n in_o infant_n 4_o whether_o they_o have_v faith_n 5_o how_o long_o they_o must_v stay_v ere_o they_o be_v baptize_v occasion_n baptize_v of_o these_o 3_o last_o we_o hear_v afore_o several_o upon_o other_o occasion_n whether_o till_o three_o year_n old_a or_o under_o or_o till_o four_o year_n old_a or_o over_o or_o how_o long_o whether_o till_o as_o old_a as_o adeoda●us_n who_o be_v 15_o at_o his_o baptism_n as_o some_o will_v or_o till_o they_o be_v 30_o year_n old_a which_o be_v the_o age_n of_o christ_n as_o some_o thought_n in_o nazianzens_n time_n thus_o i_o have_v give_v you_o a_o taste_n of_o the_o manner_n of_o m._n t._n his_o dispute_v in_o those_o four_o argument_n by_o a_o easy_a retort_v they_o if_o m._n t._n condemn_v these_o our_o argument_n retort_v of_o impertinency_n or_o invalidity_n he_o must_v of_o necessity_n also_o condemn_v his_o own_o and_o for_o my_o part_n if_o he_o will_v do_v so_o i_o be_o content_v that_o these_o four_o argument_n on_o both_o side_n shall_v go_v for_o blank_a and_o so_o to_o leave_v the_o dispute_n where_o we_o find_v it_o as_o no_o great_a matter_n be_v do_v on_o either_o side_n to_o argue_v for_o or_o against_o by_o produce_v the_o error_n and_o mistake_n of_o man_n which_o may_v be_v lay_v aside_o on_o either_o side_n and_o yet_o a_o truth_n be_v hold_v by_o either_o though_o i_o do_v not_o hereby_o mean_a to_o give_v away_o the_o question_n of_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o baptise_v believer_n infant_n and_o therefore_o we_o go_v on_o to_o give_v particular_a answer_n to_o m._n t._n his_o four_o argument_n aforesaid_a chap._n xvi_o to_o m._n t._n his_o first_o particular_a 19_o exercitat_fw-la §_o 19_o of_o surety_n in_o baptism_n urge_v in_o the_o minor_a of_o his_o six_o argument_n touch_v humane_a invention_n occasion_v by_o infant_n baptism_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la 1_o that_o surety_n be_v know_v to_o have_v be_v in_o tertullia_n time_n and_o two_o hundred_o year_n after_o in_o augustine_n time_n as_o we_o have_v touch_v in_o divers_a quotation_n afore_o whence_o i_o infer_v only_o this_o that_o the_o tenet_n and_o practice_n of_o infant-baptisme_n be_v hold_v in_o ancient_a time_n 2_o that_o by_o virtue_n of_o abraham_n power_n and_o guardianship_n over_o his_o household_n all_o his_o male_a family_n have_v the_o first_o sign_n or_o seal_n as_o the_o family_n of_o cornelius_n and_o the_o gaoler_n have_v the_o governor_n believe_v and_o be_v baptize_v and_o usual_o those_o surety_n that_o bring_v child_n to_o baptism_n promise_v to_o see_v they_o bring_v up_o in_o the_o fear_n of_o god_n or_o to_o that_o effect_n whence_o i_o infer_v though_o i_o be_o not_o in_o the_o least_o for_o surety_n only_o i_o will_v have_v m._n t._n speak_v just_o of_o thing_n as_o they_o be_v that_o the_o sport_v of_o profession_n of_o faith_n which_o m._n t._n here_o abject_n be_v rather_o in_o the_o surety_n that_o perform_v not_o that_o they_o promise_v then_o in_o thing_n itself_o to_o m._n t._n his_o second_o particular_a thence_o exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la of_o episcopal_a confirmation_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la that_o we_o have_v already_o declare_v much_o of_o the_o patriarch_n imposition_n of_o hand_n of_o christ_n imposition_n of_o hand_n of_o the_o apostle_n imposition_n of_o hand_n of_o church_n imposition_n of_o hand_n since_o the_o apostle_n upon_o little_a one_o and_o usual_o after_o the_o first_o seal_n so_o that_o there_o be_v not_o so_o much_o human-invention_n in_o imposition_n of_o hand_n on_o baptize_v person_n as_o there_o be_v arrogancy_n in_o the_o bishop_n to_o assume_v this_o peculiarly_a to_o themselves_o to_o m._n t._n his_o three_o particular_a there_o that_o the_o reform_a union_n exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la by_o examination_n confession_n and_o subscription_n of_o the_o receive_a doctrine_n
moses_n aaronicus_fw-la save_v the_o ten_o commandment_n look_v true_o upon_o under_o a_o right_a notion_n as_o add_v to_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n moses_n join_v with_o aaron_n be_v as_o absolute_o evangelical_a as_o obedientiall_a love_n add_v to_o faith_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n 66.67_o cameron_n thes_n 66.67_o and_o therefore_o it_o be_v only_o in_o regard_n of_o some_o modall_a difference_n that_o cameron_n call_v the_o covenant_n at_o sinai_n the_o covenant_n subservient_fw-fr to_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n but_o not_o in_o the_o sulstance_n in_o which_o it_o agree_v with_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n in_o as_o many_o particular_n as_o cameron_n branch_v they_o out_o as_o in_o show_v sin_n lead_v to_o christ_n restrain_v from_o sin_n pledge_v in_o and_o by_o a_o mediator_n promise_v life_n etc._n etc._n yea_o there_o be_v as_o diodat_n be_v one_o that_o doubt_v not_o to_o call_v the_o covenant_n god_n make_v with_o israel_n at_o sinai_n a_o covenant_n of_o mere_a grace_n 3._o diodat_n pref_o to_o exod._n exercit._n p._n 3._o 2_o exception_n mr._n tomb_n make_v be_v that_o the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n be_v many_o way_n so_o call_v 1_o christ_n be_v call_v the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n by_o way_n of_o excellency_n gal._n 3.16.2_o all_o the_o clect_n rom._n 9.7_o all_o believer_n rom._n 5.11_o 12_o 13_o 16_o 17_o 18._o that_o be_v the_o spiritual_a seed_n 3_o there_o be_v a_o natural_a seed_n to_o who_o the_o inheritance_n do_v accrue_v viz._n isaac_n gen._n 21.12.4_o a_o natural_a seed_n whether_o lawful_a as_o the_o son_n of_o keturah_n or_o base_a as_o ishmael_n to_o who_o the_o inheritance_n belong_v not_o gen._n 15.5_o but_o no_o where_o do_v i_o find_v that_o the_o infant_n of_o believer_n of_o the_o gentile_n be_v call_v abraham_n seed_n of_o the_o three_o former_a kind_n of_o abraham_n seed_n the_o promise_n recite_v be_v mean_v but_o in_o a_o different_a manner_n thus_o that_o god_n promise_v he_o will_v be_v a_o god_n to_o christ_n impart_v in_o he_o blessing_n to_o all_o nation_n of_o the_o earth_n to_o the_o spiritual_a seed_n of_o abraham_n in_o evangelical_a benefit_n to_o the_o natural_a seed_n inherit_v in_o domestic_a and_o politic_a benefit_n ans_fw-fr sure_o the_o holy_a lord_n in_o a_o covenant_n will_v not_o be_v think_v to_o equivocate_v and_o be_v uncertain_a in_o his_o meaning_n animadvers_fw-la animadvers_fw-la though_o god_n appoint_v the_o outward_a administration_n of_o the_o covenant_n to_o abraham_n the_o believer_n his_o seed_n indefinite_o gen._n 17._o yet_o he_o give_v the_o efficacy_n of_o the_o covenant_n but_o to_o some_o viz._n that_o shall_v be_v the_o seed_n by_o faith_n rom._n 4._o yet_o we_o must_v follow_v the_o administration_n according_a to_o express_v institution_n gen._n 17._o to_o who_o be_v derive_v the_o covenant_n effectual_o to_o they_o be_v derive_v the_o promise_n of_o blessing_n in_o every_o manner_n recite_v by_o the_o exercitator_n subordinate_a thing_n be_v not_o contrary_a or_o in_o no_o manner_n per_fw-la modum_fw-la aut_fw-la vim_o faederis_fw-la under_o the_o notion_n of_o a_o covenant_n unregenerate_a man_n have_v a_o right_a to_o temporal_a thing_n by_o a_o humane_a right_n and_o high_o by_o a_o divine_a right_n of_o common_a providence_n either_o as_o dwell_v with_o or_o receive_v they_o from_o those_o in_o real_a covenant_n with_o god_n but_o not_o by_o virtue_n of_o any_o covenant_n between_o they_o and_o god_n and_o for_o that_o great_a quaere_fw-la make_v by_o mr._n t._n whether_o the_o child_n of_o believe_a gentile_n be_v call_v abraham_n seed_n 3._o exercitat_fw-la p._n 3._o which_o be_v the_o main_a thing_n to_o the_o question_n in_o hand_n ans_fw-fr they_o be_v advers._fw-la anius_n advers._fw-la by_o the_o distinction_n and_o quotation_n of_o the_o exercitator_n himself_o by_o strong_a consequence_n then_o by_o which_o the_o exercitator_n proceed_v in_o most_o thing_n he_o allege_v for_o first_o he_o say_v that_o the_o natural_a seed_n of_o abraham_n as_o isaac_n etc._n etc._n be_v call_v his_o seed_n second_o that_o all_o believer_n be_v abraham_n seed_n quote_v rom._n 4._o we_o infer_v then_o that_o the_o natural_a seed_n of_o believe_a gentile_n be_v as_o well_o the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n as_o the_o natural_a seed_n of_o isaac_n be_v though_o esau_n be_v esau_n if_o a_o gentile_a believer_n be_v the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n rom._n 4.11_o gal._n 3.8_o than_o the_o child_n of_o the_o gentile_a believer_n must_v needs_o be_v reckon_v for_o the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n be_v the_o promise_n run_v as_o true_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n the_o promise_n be_v to_o you_o and_o your_o child_n act._n 2._o or_o i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o thou_o gentile_a believer_n and_o of_o thy_o seed_n as_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n to_o abraham_n i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o thou_o jewish_a abraham_n and_o of_o thy_o seed_n 3._o except_o 3._o exercit._fw-la p._n 3._o that_o there_o be_v not_o say_v mr._n t._n the_o same_o reason_n of_o circumcision_n of_o baptism_n in_o sign_v the_o gospel-covenant_n the_o promise_n of_o the_o gospel_n say_v he_o or_o the_o gospel-covenant_n be_v the_o same_o in_o all_o age_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o thing_n promise_v and_o condition_n of_o the_o covenant_n concession_n 1._o mr._n tomb_n his_o concession_n which_o we_o may_v call_v the_o substantial_a and_o essential_a part_n of_o the_o covenant_n to_o wit_n christ_n faith_n sanctification_n remission_n of_o sin_n eternal_a life_n yet_o this_o evangelical_a covenant_n have_v divers_a form_n in_o which_o these_o thing_n be_v signify_v and_o various_a sanction_n by_o which_o it_o be_v confirm_v to_o adam_n the_o promise_n be_v make_v under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o seed_n of_o the_o woman_n form_n 2._o the_o distinction_n of_o divers_a form_n bruise_v the_o serpent_n head_n to_o enoch_n and_o noah_n in_o other_o form_n otherwise_o to_o abraham_n under_o the_o name_n of_o his_o seed_n in_o who_o all_o nation_n shall_v be_v bless_v otherwise_o to_o moses_n under_o the_o obscure_a shadow_n of_o the_o law_n otherwise_o to_o david_n under_o the_o name_n of_o a_o successor_n in_o the_o kingdom_n otherwise_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n in_o plain_a word_n 2_o cor._n 3.6_o hebr._n 8.10_o it_o have_v likewise_o divers_a sanction_n sanction_n 3._o the_o variety_n of_o sanction_n the_o promise_n of_o the_o gospel_n be_v confirm_v to_o abraham_n by_o the_o sign_n of_o circumcision_n and_o by_o the_o birth_n of_o isaac_n to_o moses_n by_o the_o paschal_n lamb_n and_o sprinkle_v of_o blood_n on_o the_o book_n the_o rain_n of_o mannah_n and_o other_o sign_n to_o david_n by_o a_o oath_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n by_o christ_n blood_n 1_o cor._n 11.25_o therefore_o circumcision_n signify_v conclusion_n 4._o the_o conclusion_n and_o confirm_v the_o promise_n of_o the_o gospel_n according_a to_o the_o form_n and_o sanction_n of_o the_o covenant_n with_o abraham_n baptism_n signify_v and_o confirm_v the_o same_o promise_n according_a to_o the_o form_n sanction_n and_o accomplishment_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n now_o these_o form_n and_o sanction_n differ_v many_o way_n conclusion_n 5._o the_o illustration_n of_o the_o conclusion_n as_o much_o as_o concern_v our_o present_a purpose_n in_o these_o 1_o circumcision_n confirm_v not_o only_a evangelicall_n promise_n partic._n 1._o partic._n but_o also_o political_a and_o if_o we_o may_v believe_v mr._n cameron_n in_o his_o thesis_n of_o the_o threefold_a covenant_n of_o god_n 78._o thes_n 78._o circumcision_n do_v primary_o separate_v the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n from_o other_o nation_n se●led_v unto_o they_o the_o earthly_a promise_n secondary_o it_o do_v sa●nifie_v sanctification_n but_o baptism_n say_v mr._n t._n signify_v only_o evangelicall_n benefit_n 2_o circumcision_n do_v confir_n the_o promise_n concern_v christ_n partic._n 2_o partic._n to_o come_v out_o of_o isaac_n baptism_n assure_v christ_n to_o be_v come_v already_o to_o have_v be_v dead_a and_o to_o have_v rise_v again_o 3_o circumcision_n belong_v to_o the_o church_n constitute_v in_o the_o house_n of_o abraham_n partic._n 3_o partic._n baptism_n to_o the_o church_n gather_v out_o of_o all_o nation_n whence_o i_o gather_v say_v mr._n t._n that_o there_o be_v not_o the_o same_o reason_n of_o circumcision_n and_o baptism_n in_o sign_v the_o evangelicall_n covenant_n nor_o may_v there_o be_v draw_v a_o argument_n from_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o one_o to_o the_o like_a manner_n of_o administer_a the_o other_o answ_n 1._o from_o the_o concession_n in_o the_o three_o exception_n animadv_n animadv_n that_o the_o gospel-covenant_n be_v the_o same_o in_o all_o age_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o thing_n promise_v to_o wit_n christ_n remission_n of_o sin_n sanctification_n eternal_a life_n and_o the_o condition_n of_o the_o covenant_n namely_o faith_n we_o infer_v that_o mr._n tomb_n grant_v 1._o that_o god_n covenant_n with_o abraham_n sign_v with_o circumcision_n be_v
constitute_v in_o a_o family_n gen._n 17.12_o 13._o or_o in_o the_o nation_n exod._n 12._o 47_o 41_o 49._o as_o baptism_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n to_o all_o and_o only_o those_o that_o come_v into_o the_o christian_a church_n and_o their_o child_n i_o say_v into_o the_o christian_a church_n that_o be_v the_o parent_n come_v in_o at_o least_o into_o the_o universal_a visible_a christian_a church_n by_o confess_v christ_n to_o be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n and_o so_o this_o difference_n pretend_v by_o mr._n t._n between_o baptism_n and_o circumcision_n come_v if_o not_o to_o a_o sameness_n yet_o to_o a_o likeness_n and_o so_o the_o reason_n thus_o far_o apparent_o to_o i_o be_v the_o same_o between_o both_o and_o the_o like_a argument_n may_v be_v draw_v for_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o one_o as_o of_o the_o other_o the_o four_o and_o last_o exception_n mr._n t._n make_v against_o this_o argument_n out_o of_o gen._n 17._o be_v 2._o exercit._fw-la sect._n 1._o p._n 2._o that_o these_o term_n federate_a and_o to_o be_v sign_v be_v not_o convertible_a answ_n they_o be_v convertible_fw-fr jure_fw-la in_o equity_n for_o mr._n t._n will_v not_o doubt_v but_o that_o those_o sign_v with_o circumcision_n gen._n 17._o or_o etc._n etc._n for_o of_o circumcision_n be_v the_o question_n immediate_o now_o according_a to_o mr._n t._n his_o instance_n p._n 4._o l._n 16._o be_v federate_a be_v reckon_v and_o to_o be_v reckon_v in_o the_o covenant_n at_o the_o time_n of_o do_v it_o and_o after_o till_o contrary_a cause_n appear_v and_o all_o federate_a or_o count_v within_o the_o covenant_n be_v to_o be_v sign_v with_o circumcision_n so_o this_o text_n gen._n 17.7_o 8_o 9_o i_o be_o a_o god_n to_o thou_o and_o to_o thy_o seed_n thou_o shall_v keep_v my_o covenant_n therefore_o that_o every_o man-child_n be_v circumcise_v but_o to_o this_o four_o exception_n partic._n exercit._fw-la sect._n 1._o p._n 4._o 1_o partic._n mr._n t._n argue_v that_o some_o there_o be_v circumcise_v to_o who_o no_o promise_n in_o the_o covenant_n make_v with_o abraham_n do_v belong_v of_o ishmael_n god_n have_v say_v that_o his_o covenant_n be_v not_o to_o be_v establish_v with_o he_o gen._n 17.20_o 21_o 25._o rom._n 9.7_o 8_o 9_o gal._n 4.29_o 30._o the_o same_o may_v be_v say_v of_o esau_n all_o that_o be_v in_o abraham_n house_n whether_o stranger_n or_o bear_v in_o the_o house_n be_v circumcise_v gen._n 17.12_o 13._o of_o who_o nevertheless_o it_o may_v be_v doubt_v whether_o any_o promise_n of_o the_o covenant_n make_v with_o abraham_n do_v belong_v to_o they_o there_o be_v other_o person_n partic._n 2_o partic._n to_o who_o all_o or_o most_o of_o the_o promise_n in_o the_o covenant_n pertain_v that_o be_v not_o circumcise_v this_o may_v be_v affirm_v of_o the_o female_n come_v from_o abraham_n the_o infant_n die_v before_o the_o eight_o day_n of_o just_a man_n live_v out_o of_o abraham_n house_n as_o melchisedech_n lot_n job_n if_o any_o say_v that_o the_o female_n be_v circumcise_v in_o the_o circumcision_n of_o the_o male_n he_o say_v it_o without_o proof_n and_o by_o like_a ob._n mr._n t._n his_o answer_n to_o a_o ob._n perhaps_o great_a reason_n may_v it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o child_n of_o believer_n be_v baptize_v in_o the_o person_n of_o their_o parent_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v in_o their_o own_o person_n but_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o the_o jew_n comprehend_v in_o the_o covenant_n make_v with_o abraham_n and_o circumcise_v be_v nevertheless_o not_o admit_v to_o baptism_n by_o john_n baptist_n and_o christ_n disciple_n till_o they_o profess_v repentance_n conclus_fw-la 1_o conclus_fw-la and_o faith_n in_o christ_n hence_o i_o gather_v that_o the_o right_n to_o evangelicall_n promise_n be_v not_o the_o adequate_a reason_n of_o circumcise_n these_o or_o those_o but_o god_n precept_n as_o it_o be_v express_v gen._n 17.23_o gen._n 21.4_o 2_o that_o those_o term_n be_v not_o convertible_a federate_n and_o to_o be_v sign_v conclus_fw-la 2_o conclus_fw-la answ_n to_o 1_o particular_a that_o some_o there_o be_v circumcise_v to_o who_o no_o promise_n in_o the_o covenant_n make_v with_o abraham_n do_v belong_v mr._n tomb_n argue_v from_o the_o non-fact_n to_o the_o non-equitie_n animad_fw-la animad_fw-la and_o from_o the_o non-efficacie_a to_o non-administration_n and_o from_o a_o after_o discovery_n to_o cross_v the_o present_a rule_n which_o argue_v he_o know_v carry_v not_o with_o it_o in_o other_o thing_n any_o consequence_n what_o if_o the_o facto_fw-la some_o be_v not_o circumcise_v according_a to_o the_o directory_n of_o administration_n therefore_o jure_v aught_o they_o not_o if_o opportunity_n and_o accommodation_n concur_v what_o if_o some_o appear_v after_o when_o man_n not_o to_o have_v the_o efficacy_n of_o circumcision_n be_v they_o not_o therefore_o just_o circumcise_v when_o the_o institution_n do_v enjoin_v and_o cause_v it_o to_o be_v do_v while_o they_o be_v infant_n i_o need_v not_o enlarge_v upon_o the_o inconvenient_a sequels_fw-fr in_o the_o use_n of_o all_o ordinance_n if_o that_o administration_n may_v not_o be_v though_o ineffectualnesse_n appear_v not_o always_o after_o and_o howsoever_o it_o be_v apparent_a in_o some_o and_o doubtful_a in_o other_o and_o therefore_o infer_v nothing_o that_o the_o promise_n be_v not_o establish_v that_o be_v be_v not_o effectual_a to_o they_o yet_o it_o be_v most_o apparent_a that_o the_o institution_n and_o administration_n of_o circumcision_n be_v ground_v on_o the_o express_a promise_n as_o i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o thou_o and_o of_o thy_o seed_n therefore_o thou_o shall_v keep_v my_o covenant_n to_o circumcise_v every_o male_a gen._n 17.7.9_o the_o promulgation_n and_o preach_v of_o the_o promise_n belong_v to_o many_o to_o who_o it_o be_v not_o after_o effectual_a mar._n 16.15_o and_o if_o the_o institution_n must_v go_v along_o with_o the_o promise_n here_o in_o gen._n 17._o though_o it_o may_v be_v special_o reveal_v to_o abraham_n what_o a_o one_o ishmael_n shall_v prove_v then_o sure_a much_o more_o among_o man_n who_o have_v no_o such_o revelation_n and_o though_o we_o grant_v the_o 1._o line_n in_o this_o 1._o partic_a of_o mr._n tomb_n that_o no_o promise_n in_o the_o covenant_n belong_v to_o ishmael_n yet_o mr._n tomb_n confess_v that_o circumcision_n sign_v civil_a 1.2_o civil_a sect._n 1._o p._n 3._o l._n 16._o 17._o p._n 4._o l._n 1.2_o promise_n to_o some_o of_o abraham_n seed_n and_o that_o promise_v gen._n 17_o 20._o make_v to_o ishmael_n of_o blessing_n and_o multiply_v he_o must_v at_o least_o be_v such_o though_o eminent_o and_o as_o concern_v the_o come_n of_o christ_n it_o be_v emphatical_o say_v that_o in_o isaac_n shall_v the_o covenant_n be_v establish_v gen._n 17._o however_o abraham_n look_v so_o much_o on_o the_o promise_n i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o thou_o and_o of_o thy_o seed_n and_o the_o commentary_n upon_o it_o touch_v blessing_n ishmael_n and_o the_o 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church_n now_o the_o reason_n of_o augustine_n authority_n be_v this_o the_o pelagian_a heresy_n be_v general_o condemn_v and_o augustine_n work_n be_v great_o esteem_v as_o be_v the_o hammer_n of_o the_o pelagian_o the_o follow_a refuter_n of_o pelagianism_n prosper_n fulgentius_n etc._n etc._n the_o counsel_n that_o do_v condemn_v it_o as_o those_o of_o carthage_n arles_n milevis_n etc._n etc._n do_v rest_n altogether_o on_o augustine_n argument_n and_o often_o on_o his_o word_n and_o augustine_n in_o time_n be_v account_v one_o of_o the_o four_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n esteem_v like_o the_o four_o evangelist_n so_o that_o his_o opinion_n be_v the_o rule_n of_o the_o church_n judgement_n and_o the_o school_n determination_n as_o to_o the_o great_a hurt_n of_o god_n church_n luther_n and_o other_o have_v be_v of_o late_a now_o augustine_n do_v very_o much_o insist_v on_o this_o argument_n to_o prove_v original_a sin_n because_o ●_z be_v baptize_v for_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o therefore_o in_o the_o council_n of_o milevis_n he_o be_v adjudge_v accurse_v that_o do_v deny_v it_o but_o for_o my_o part_n i_o value_v augustine_n judgement_n just_a at_o so_o much_o as_o his_o proof_n and_o reason_n weigh_v which_o how_o light_a they_o be_v you_o may_v conceive_v defer_v august_n tom_fw-mi 1._o confess_v lib._n 1._o c._n 11._o &_o signabar_fw-la signo_fw-la crucisejus_fw-la &_o condiebar_v ejus_fw-la sale_n jam_fw-la inde_fw-la ab_fw-la utero_fw-la matris_fw-la meae_fw-la quae_fw-la multure_n speravit_fw-la in_o te_fw-la and_o then_o follow_v how_o be_v young_a and_o fall_a sick_a he_o desire_v and_o his_o mother_n think_v to_o have_v he_o baptize_v but_o upon_o his_o recovery_n it_o be_v defer_v first_o in_o that_o whereas_o he_o make_v it_o so_o universal_a a_o tradition_n his_o own_o baptism_n not_o till_o above_o thirty_o though_o educate_v as_o a_o christian_a by_o his_o mother_n monica_n the_o baptism_n of_o his_o son_n adeodatus_n at_o 15._o of_o his_o 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