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pag._n 51.52_o profess_v that_o the_o hierarchy_n of_o archbishop_n lord_n bishop_n priest_n etc._n etc._n be_v a_o strange_a and_o antichristian_a ministry_n and_o officer_n not_o institute_v in_o christ_n testament_n nor_o place_v in_o or_o over_o his_o church_n these_o have_v place_v over_o they_o one_o that_o be_v make_v priest_n by_o a_o lord_n bishop_n ordination_n so_o as_o because_o of_o it_o they_o do_v not_o ordeyn_a or_o impose_v hand_n on_o he_o when_o at_o the_o same_o time_n they_o ordain_v and_o impose_v hand_n on_o other_o who_o together_o with_o he_o they_o set_v over_o the_o church_n 5._o the_o 32._o article_n whereto_o our_o apology_n agree_v pag._n 52.53.54_o testify_v that_o all_o such_o as_o have_v receive_v any_o of_o those_o false_a office_n of_o lord_n bishop_n priest_n &c._n &c._n be_v to_o give_v over_o and_o leave_v they_o and_o so_o have_v it_o be_v practise_v here_o before_o by_o all_o such_o priest_n as_o come_v to_o our_o faith_n and_o church_n now_o one_o be_v minister_n over_o they_o ordain_v priest_n by_o the_o prelate_n as_o be_v before_o say_v the_o confirmation_n of_o these_o point_n in_o our_o apology_n beside_o the_o scripture_n quote_v in_o our_o confession_n be_v of_o the_o one_o by_o 8._o of_o the_o other_o by_o 12._o reason_n deduce_v from_o many_o scripture_n hereunto_o they_o make_v these_o answer_n first_o that_o this_o point_n be_v of_o like_a nature_n with_o the_o 2._o &_o 3._o here_o before_o where_o therefore_o see_v the_o answer_n and_o there_o also_o let_v the_o reader_n see_v our_o reply_n but_o they_o will_v blind_v their_o reader_n with_o show_n of_o answer_n where_o none_o be_v for_o the_o first_o point_n be_v of_o every_o church_n power_n to_o cast_v out_o obstinate_a sinner_n the_o second_o of_o their_o power_n to_o elect_v and_o ordeyn_a officer_n now_o what_o be_v these_o to_o justify_v any_o unlawful_a ministry_n either_o set_v up_o by_o a_o people_n without_o the_o power_n of_o christ_n or_o receive_v by_o the_o tradition_n of_o antichrist_n it_o have_v be_v their_o part_n see_v they_o deny_v their_o former_a ground_n to_o have_v show_v we_o some_o better_a by_o the_o scripture_n which_o how_o they_o have_v do_v either_o there_o or_o here_o let_v their_o write_n be_v view_v manifest_a second_o they_o say_v if_o we_o will_v here_o imply_v a_o particular_a matter_n concern_v one_o of_o their_o minister_n about_o imposition_n of_o hand_n that_o be_v a_o point_n also_o leave_v to_o further_a consideration_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v no_o we_o mean_v other_o of_o they_o that_o be_v minister_n before_o and_o such_o as_o have_v have_v some_o of_o they_o imposition_n of_o hand_n twice_o and_o this_o they_o can_v not_o but_o see_v plain_o to_o be_v our_o intent_n in_o that_o 4._o article_n though_o they_o wink_v and_o will_v not_o see_v it_o and_o be_v mute_a and_o will_v not_o defend_v it_o but_o wind_n away_o to_o other_o thing_n not_o there_o intend_v let_v they_o therefore_o in_o their_o next_o bring_v a_o plain_n defence_n of_o their_o ministry_n which_o by_o their_o new_a doctrine_n be_v overthrow_v and_o use_v no_o more_o such_o tergiversation_n unto_o the_o other_o thing_n object_v in_o the_o 3._o &_o 5._o article_n by_o lawn_n print_v first_o they_o signify_v that_o their_o testimony_n against_o the_o antichristian_a hierarchy_n treat_v of_o in_o the_o confession_n be_v not_o by_o they_o reverse_v or_o weaken_v any_o way_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v these_o be_v but_o word_n in_o deed_n and_o truth_n the_o contrary_n will_v appear_v for_o as_o heretofore_o they_o 108.109.110.111.112_o prove_v antichrist_n baptism_n to_o be_v not_o a_o true_a but_o a_o false_a sacrament_n but_o now_o they_o plead_v for_o it_o 54.55_o to_o be_v the_o one_o true_a baptism_n of_o christ_n so_o have_v heretofore_o witness_v against_o the_o whole_a antichristian_a treatise_n hierarchy_n of_o prelate_n priest_n etc._n etc._n their_o office_n entrance_n and_o administration_n they_o now_o compare_v the_o popish_a ordination_n with_o the_o baptism_n also_o they_o bring_v to_o warrant_v this_o the_o priest_n and_o levite_n which_o be_v call_v of_o god_n as_o after_o be_v to_o be_v see_v and_o yet_o they_o will_v be_v think_v not_o to_o reverse_v their_o testimony_n second_o they_o tell_v we_o how_o they_o be_v cumber_v with_o the_o anabaptist_n and_o occasion_v to_o think_v of_o their_o ministry_n as_o 1_o that_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v of_o god_n and_o not_o a_o invention_n of_o antichrist_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v thus_o also_o they_o shall_v be_v occasion_v to_o think_v of_o the_o pope_n excommunication_n for_o that_o be_v god_n ordinance_n as_o well_o as_o their_o sacrament_n of_o order_n and_o of_o the_o romish_a mass_n or_o supper_n for_o that_o be_v god_n ordinance_n also_o though_o by_o they_o abuse_v to_o idolatry_n yea_o thus_o the_o jew_n that_o 1.12.16_o fâ—l_v to_o paganism_n may_v take_v occasion_n to_o think_v of_o the_o hethen_v sacrifice_n for_o they_o also_o be_v god_n ordinance_n in_o their_o first_o institution_n as_o well_o as_o antichrist_n sacrament_n but_o as_o for_o the_o anabaptist_n themselves_o long_o since_o so_o refute_v they_o without_o this_o their_o new_a plea_n that_o there_o need_v no_o fear_n of_o their_o strength_n at_o al._n final_o the_o imposition_n of_o hand_n by_o a_o antichristian_a prelate_n upon_o that_o ministry_n which_o be_v not_o of_o christ_n but_o of_o antichrist_n apostasy_n i_o deny_v that_o such_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v of_o god_n and_o that_o such_o the_o whole_a ministry_n of_o rome_n be_v be_v prove_v at_o large_a by_o many_o scripture_n in_o m._n johnsons_n reason_n and_o argument_n against_o spiritual_a communion_n with_o the_o mâ—nist_n pag._n 17.18_o &c_n &c_n â—_o their_o second_o observation_n be_v that_o baptism_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v join_v together_o among_o the_o principle_n heb._n 6_o 2._o i_o answer_v so_o be_v baptism_n &_o the_o lord_n supper_n now_o of_o antichristian_o call_v the_o mass_n join_v in_o 1._o cor._n 10.2.3_o &_o 12.13_o that_o if_o this_o reason_n be_v good_a their_o next_o thought_n must_v be_v about_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o mass._n 3._o three_o they_o allege_v that_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v in_o rome_n still_o give_v to_o the_o office_n of_o ministry_n and_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n i_o answer_v so_o also_o the_o pope_n bull_n of_o excommunication_n go_v forth_o from_o the_o office_n of_o ministry_n and_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n but_o so_o all_o mischief_n begin_v and_o give_v occasion_n to_o the_o proverb_n in_o nomine_fw-la domini_fw-la incipit_fw-la omne_fw-la malum_fw-la but_o let_v we_o take_v a_o view_n how_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v use_v now_o in_o rome_n as_o they_o say_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n ordination_n of_o minister_n there_o 2._o be_v a_o sacrament_n the_o outward_a sign_n or_o rite_n whereof_o be_v imposition_n of_o hand_n the_o thing_n signify_v be_v the_o promise_n of_o grace_n they_o have_v seven_o 5._o order_n priest_n or_o sacrificer_n deacon_n subdeacons_n aâ—oluthes_n exorcist_n reader_n and_o ostiaries_n or_o keeper_n of_o the_o door_n they_o be_v make_v priest_n when_o by_o the_o bishop_n who_o 9_o only_o can_v give_v this_o order_n it_o be_v say_v presbyt_fw-la receiv_n power_n to_o offer_v sacrifice_n unto_o god_n and_o to_o celebrate_v mass_n both_o for_o the_o live_n and_o for_o the_o dead_a in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n the_o bishop_n say_v with_o all_o receiv_n the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o priest_n be_v also_o shave_v on_o their_o crown_n and_o anoint_a with_o oil_n on_o their_o hand_n that_o by_o that_o unction_n and_o the_o bishop_n bless_v †_o sing_v those_o hand_n may_v be_v consecrate_v and_o sanctify_v of_o god_n a_o steal_v of_o innocence_n be_v put_v upon_o the_o priest_n and_o he_o promise_v to_o the_o bishop_n and_o his_o successor_n reverence_n and_o obedience_n and_o the_o bishop_n give_v he_o again_o the_o blessing_n of_o god_n the_o fa_fw-it †_o the_fw-mi &_o the_o †_o son_n and_o the_o holy_a †_o ghost_z that_o he_o may_v be_v bless_v in_o his_o priestly_a order_n and_o may_v offer_v placable_a host_n or_o sacrifice_n to_o god_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o people_n this_o ordination_n have_v a_o 10._o double_a effect_n 1._o a_o perpetual_a spiritual_a power_n in_o sign_n whereof_o a_o character_n or_o mark_v indelible_a be_v imprint_v on_o they_o and_o 2._o grace_n make_v they_o acceptable_a whereby_o they_o be_v enable_v to_o execute_v their_o office_n so_o this_o bishoply_n ordination_n 5._o confer_v grace_n and_o if_o any_o shall_v say_v that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v not_o give_v hereby_o let_v he_o say_v the_o council_n of_o trent_n 4._o be_v accurse_v this_o be_v that_o holy_a ordination_n or_o rather_o that_o abominable_a idol_n and_o 16_o mark_v of_o the_o
2.4_o all_o that_o be_v call_v god_n be_v for_o thus_o do_v to_o be_v account_v a_o traitor_n against_o christ_n and_o all_o prince_n of_o the_o world_n and_o as_o the_o day_n have_v be_v when_o he_o challenge_v both_o church_n and_o crown_n of_o england_n as_o in_o regis_fw-la king_n johns_n time_n to_o have_v the_o prince_n his_o vassal_n as_o well_o as_o the_o priest_n his_o subject_n so_o be_v his_o will_n to_o do_v always_o and_o in_o all_o place_n but_o this_o be_v tyranny_n and_o usurpation_n in_o he_o both_o over_o church_n and_o common_a wealth_n he_o have_v always_o have_v as_o good_a authority_n to_o make_v a_o lord_n mayor_n in_o london_n as_o to_o make_v a_o bishop_n there_o and_o to_o create_v a_o prince_n as_o well_o as_o a_o priest_n or_o prelate_n the_o one_o be_v injurious_a to_o the_o state_n the_o other_o to_o the_o church_n and_o for_o man_n to_o hold_v or_o derive_v the_o priesthood_n or_o ministry_n from_o that_o usurper_n have_v no_o more_o warrant_n that_o i_o 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but_o now_o we_o have_v hear_v that_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o popish_a church_n be_v true_a baptism_n by_o which_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o communion_n or_o else_o that_o man_n must_v be_v rebaptise_v and_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o church_n of_o god_n because_o antichrist_n shall_v sit_v in_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n with_o this_o they_o join_v the_o 4._o &_o 8._o out_o of_o the_o print_a copy_n 4._o the_o 31._o article_n of_o our_o confession_n and_o also_o our_o apology_n p._n 109._o profess_v that_o such_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n as_o remain_v so_o in_o confusion_n and_o bondage_n under_o that_o antichristian_a ministry_n court_n canon_n &c._n &c._n can_v be_v esteem_v true_a visible_a church_n etc._n etc._n these_o now_o plead_v not_o only_o for_o they_o but_o for_o rome_n itself_o to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n 8._o the_o 8._o be_v as_o the_o 5._o before_o express_v these_o thing_n be_v confirm_v by_o sundry_a scripture_n and_o reason_n in_o the_o place_n quote_v as_o the_o reader_n may_v there_o see_v against_o these_o their_o former_a testimony_n they_o now_o 54._o thus_o dispute_v 1_o it_o be_v true_a baptism_n as_o the_o circumcision_n in_o jsraels_n apostasy_n be_v true_a circumcision_n i_o answer_v these_o be_v their_o own_o assertion_n but_o we_o will_v hear_v thus_o say_v the_o lord_n true_a circumcision_n be_v the_o seal_n of_o the_o righteteousnes_n of_o faith_n rom._n 4.11_o israel_n in_o their_o apostasy_n be_v fall_v from_o the_o faith_n hos._n 11_o 12._o they_o be_v without_o the_o true_a god_n &_o without_o priest_n to_o teach_v and_o without_o law_n 2._o chron._n 15.3_o and_o how_o then_o can_v they_o have_v the_o true_a circumcision_n the_o seal_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n and_o forgiune_n of_o their_o sin_n in_o that_o sinful_a estate_n 2._o the_o match_v of_o popish_a baptism_n and_o israel_n circumcision_n though_o in_o this_o they_o agree_v that_o they_o be_v both_o false_a sacrament_n &_o lie_a sign_n yet_o be_v baptism_n ten_o time_n more_o defile_v in_o rome_n than_o circumcision_n be_v in_o israel_n let_v we_o take_v a_o view_n thereof_o as_o it_o be_v at_o the_o best_a and_o now_o refine_v by_o the_o jesuit_n when_o any_o man_n come_v to_o be_v baptize_v in_o popery_n after_o some_o quaestion_n praemise_v 1._o â—5_n he_o have_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n make_v on_o his_o forehead_n and_o breast_n which_o holy_a sign_n among_o other_o good_a property_n have_v power_n to_o drive_v away_o 29._o devil_n 2._o then_o follow_v 2d_o exorcism_n that_o be_v adjuration_n of_o the_o have_v to_o go_v from_o the_o man_n that_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v 3._o after_o that_o come_v ibid._n exsufflation_n or_o blow_v of_o the_o have_v away_o &_o a_o afflation_n of_o the_o good_a spirit_n in_o their_o stead_n 4._o next_o follow_v the_o taste_n of_o salt_n which_o be_v unto_o they_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o eucharist_n 5._o then_o the_o touch_v of_o the_o nostril_n and_o ear_n 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