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the_o reader_n section_n 7._o last_o concern_v our_o corruption_n as_o we_o can_v justify_v they_o to_o be_v no_o corruption_n but_o must_v needs_o acknowledge_v that_o there_o be_v many_o yet_o remain_v in_o our_o land_n which_o be_v leave_v by_o that_o man_n of_o sin_n &_o be_v as_o thorn_n unto_o our_o side_n which_o we_o hope_v god_n will_v in_o time_n abolish_v 2.3_o judg._n 2.3_o so_o dare_v we_o not_o run_v into_o your_o extremity_n to_o condemn_v our_o church_n for_o such_o corruption_n but_o weight_n the_o appoint_a time_n of_o god_n for_o the_o redress_n thereof_o yet_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n so_o long_o as_o those_o most_o excellent_a truth_n and_o doctrine_n of_o salvation_n for_o which_o god_n make_v we_o thankful_a be_v still_o retain_v and_o hold_v as_o sound_o as_o by_o any_o church_n upon_o the_o face_n of_o the_o earth_n the_o other_o error_n not_o simple_o overthrow_v the_o same_o be_v not_o hold_v of_o obstinacy_n and_o be_v also_o for_o the_o most_o part_n of_o 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that_o such_o as_o be_v simple_a heart_a and_o have_v exceed_v in_o eagerness_n of_o zeal_n may_v see_v their_o extremity_n in_o so_o rash_o and_o unadvised_o separate_v from_o and_o condempn_v the_o church_n of_o england_n sometime_o their_o nurse_n and_o mother_n as_o before_o be_v note_v whereby_o god_n may_v have_v the_o glory_n &_o themselves_o the_o comfort_n even_o the_o salvation_n of_o their_o soul_n through_o christ_n d._n b._n the_o answer_n now_o at_o length_n d._n b._n yield_v the_o cause_n himself_o so_o great_a be_v the_o truth_n and_o so_o great_o it_o prevayl_v against_o every_o oppugner_n thereof_o to_o omit_v that_o he_o confess_v they_o can_v justify_v their_o corruption_n and_o yet_o they_o can_v abide_v in_o they_o he_o say_v also_o they_o must_v needs_o acknowledge_v that_o they_o have_v many_o corruption_n remain_v which_o be_v leave_v by_o that_o man_n of_o sin_n &_o which_o be_v as_o thorn_n unto_o their_o side_n bless_a be_v god_n which_o make_v the_o enemy_n 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