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A85950 VindiciƦ voti. Or a vindication of the true sense of the nationall covenant, in a briefe and moderate answere to the Protestation Protested discovering the unsoundnesse of that interpretation of the covenant, and the weaknesse of the grounds there suggested for separate and independant churches. By Iohn Geree, master of arts, and preacher of Gods word in Tewkesbury. Published by the authority of the House of Commons. Geree, John, 1601?-1649. 1641 (1641) Wing G605; ESTC R230274 21,085 38

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