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A85312 Of schism. Parochial congregations in England, and ordination by imposition of hands. Wherein Dr. Owen's discovery of the true nature of schism is briefly and friendly examined, together with Mr. Noyes of New England his arguments against imposition of hands in ordination. / By Giles Firmin, sometime of new England, now pastor of the Church at Shalford in Essex. Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697. 1658 (1658) Wing F958; Thomason E1819_1; ESTC R209761 90,499 170

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certè_fw-la pro_fw-la ritu_fw-la vel_fw-la parte_fw-la essentiali_fw-la habenda_fw-la est_fw-la thus_o he_o from_o the_o same_o charge_n to_o timothy_n 74._o sur._n ch_n dis_n p._n 2._o p._n 74._o mr._n hooker_n say_v he_o be_v willing_a to_o follow_v the_o road_n when_o he_o have_v no_o constrain_a reason_n to_o go_v aside_o it_o seem_v this_o reverend_a man_n know_v no_o cause_n why_o imposition_n shall_v be_v lay_v aside_o the_o synod_n of_o new_a england_n say_v 9_o platf_n ch_n dis_n c._n 9_o church-officer_n ought_v to_o be_v ordain_v with_o imposition_n of_o hand_n here_o than_o we_o have_v the_o father_n papist_n lutheran_n calvinist_n episcopal_n classical_a congregational_a man_n the_o church_n general_o since_o the_o apostle_n day_n impose_v hand_n in_o ordination_n we_o must_v have_v strong_a reason_n as_o mr._n hooker_n say_v to_o lead_v we_o afide_fw-la from_o these_o church_n custom_n of_o the_o church_n paul_n use_v to_o make_v something_o of_o 1_o cor._n 11._o i_o 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