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A47813 The casuist uncas'd, in a dialogue betwixt Richard and Baxter, with a moderator between them, for quietnesse sake by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1680 (1680) Wing L1209; ESTC R233643 73,385 86

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Baxt●rs Unfeigne● Repen●ance Mr. Baxter consulted the Word of God about Opposing the King Mr Baxter would be the same man if another King were to be Depos'd and Murthered Mr. Baxter very cautious of Treason against the two Houses Baxter fails foul upon Richard The Moderator interposes Baxter vindicates Oliver A prudent pious Faithful Prince Baxter prays that Richard Cromwell may Inherit the Piety of his Father The Presbyterians Disarm'd the King and the Independents Kill'd him Baxter repen●s and then ●epents of his Repentance Baxter thanks God for his Blessings upon this Nation in consequence of the Rebellion The Blessed Difference betwixt the Government of the Late King of Cromwell Baxters Comfortable Effects of a Civill War The Blessed Times we had till the Army got the better of the Two Houses London-Ministe●s Letter to the Lord-General Ian 18. 1648. The Armies Crime wa● the opposing of the Parliament and Imprisoning t●e King without Leave Only a S●izure of the Kings Person But an Vnparall●l'd Violen●e upon t●e Members of the House Being men of Eminent Worth and In●eg●ity A Factious Re●nant th● Magistra●es which God h●t● set ove● us The London· Ministers Mediation little lesse then Treason Gods Ordinance violated when Magistr●cy is oppos'd The Divines fear ull of opposing God in an Ordinance of the Two Houses None of these scruples in the case of the King Th● Presbyterians ●rue to the Faction from the beginn●ng The Standard of the Presbyte●ian Loyalty why not as tender of a breach of Trust according to Law as against it There was no Intent to divest the King of hi● Legal Right But he had a Righ● to nothing then for t●e●●ook all away The Presbyterians ●ell us they are no Jes●it● Not one word for the King in the whole Letter The Army in Gods way w●ile they joyn'd with the Presby●erians Sworn to preserve his Majesties· Perso● and Priviledges of Parliament W●o absolv'd the Presbyteri●ns of their former Oaths If Baxt●r had serv'd the king he had been a Traytor Baxters Holy Com. wealth to ●e taken as Non-Scriptus A sh●ft not a Recantation For the Apho●isms ●ere ●e●el'd directly against the King Ba●te●● Recantation A Repentance that will passe neither upon God nor Man Baxter Re●sons why his Repen●ance is not Particular Mr. Baxters Pi● Fraus A Jesuitism For fear of too Much or too Little Mr. Ba●ter confesses just nothing at all Mr. Baxter proceeds in ●is repentance He ever opposeth what he sometimes encouraged A Baxterism ●'s very Repentances are Calumnies He Repents and Relapses in the same breath Prophanness in Habit and in Conspiracy A Covenanting Prophannesse worse then a Personal He repents that he did not advise with Lawyers An Invidious Refle●ion upon Hooker Jesuitical Dodging Why could not Hooker set him Right to the Church as well as wrong to the State Hookers popular po●er nothing to Co-ordination Baxters Writings a●e a direct Satyr upon Government B's quarrel to the Visible Church The Reasons of B's Unkindness to the Visible Church He makes Dissenters the Invisible Church and Conformists the Visib●● Presbyterians began the War A State Faction as well as a Schisme B's Implicite Repentance B's account soon cast up A General Particular Repentance Rebellion and Peevishnesse B. Repents of being too mealy-mouth'd A Repentance wi●hout a Confession And an abuse upon Both Parties Mr. Baxter's Test. Mr Baxter's Challenge Richard takes him up and proves him guilty as ●o the Kings Person An Opposer of the Kings Power And the Fundamental Constitution He acknowl●dgeth the Protectors Soveraignty And blesseth the Providences that brought Richard to the Government Richard had his Principles from Baxter Baxter make● the Protect●rs Title as good as the Kings Baxters Addresses to Richard Protector Ba●ters Resolution in ●●ree Cases expresly to keep out the King Baxters Incapaci●ies for Government Dominion is founded in Grace Want of Power deposes a Prince A Case against his Majesties ●estauration Cases of Forfeiture Baxter asserts Obedience at all hazzards Baxter against the King though the Parliament had been in the wrong ● does n●● love to rub old sores Neutrality a sin and Treachery ●o serv● the King T●e praying Rebels against the Loyall Damme's A just way of Deposing a King imply'd A Parliament may betray their Trust 100. Tho a Prince be injur'd the people may joyn with his Enemies No Obedience due to an Usurper Usurpr rsmust be oppos'd They have no true power Who are Usurpers The people to be Judges The people may mis-judge Baxt. laments the losse of the late Rule●s Sworn and sworn to King Lords ●nd Commons The Lords Commons rule alone and ●he Government not changed Baxter charg'd wi●h con●radiction The Higher Po●ers 〈◊〉 the Gove●nor● in possession 'T is not th● N●me th●t makes the King The peop●e Judges of the King and o● the Law Seize the Kings Revenue and ●e is no longer a King Inferiour Magistr●tes still Subje●●s Richard e●er True to t●e Crown The Law of Natu●e i● above the Law of the Land Modest Subjects study their own Duty not t●e Kings Sovereign Power not to be re●tr●ined by t●e people The Multitude no Judges of Government The Seclu●ed Members and the ●wo Cr●mwells t●e be●t Governors Rebellion to oppose the s●preme Rulers The Par●iame●● to●d us our danger And we we●e b●und to 〈◊〉 with Their Eyes TheKing himsel● opposed and Baxte● ●e●o●ved to jus●ify it A Fundamental de●troy'd Baxter defends it Parliaments may be corrupt Instances of Parliamentary Co●ruptions Votes may be c●rried by Faction A● appe●rs to our cost The major part of Electors are ill me● And will chuse others like thems●lves Baxter's model for Reg●lation of Elections The Peoples Right of Election taken away by partial qualifications A Faction packt under he name of a Parliament The People are disoblig'd and not trusted with chusing their own Representative The peo●le sick of their Representative The Pastors to approve of the Electors The Empire of Presbytery The Petition and Advice concerning Elections Baxters admirable Expedient ☞ His qualifications accepted The Pharisee and the Publican What if the King should take upon him so Baxt●r f●●des Presbyterian and Episcopal Loyalty the same Baxter confounds hisM●taphsiycks with his Poli●icks Presbyterian Positions Episcopal Positions Presbyt Posit Episc. Posit The Assembly crys out for bloud And stir up the people Mr. ●axter never wrong'd any man Richard refreshes his memory Mr. Baxters Governours A Plot upon the Presbyte●ians A bloudy slander Alas the Ho. Com. a most Innocent Book Mr. Baxter lies under horrid Accusations Mr. Baxter transported Any Government but the Right A King is a name of Respect not Power The Kings Authority made precarious And under several Incapacities Baxters Horrid Accusation His Character of ou● Church-men Baxters damnable Cases of Conscience Baxt. dreams of a Plot upon him The Cart before the Horse Votes for Uniformity Reasons against To●eration ☜ Mr Baxters Ingratitude How to understand the Presbyterians Words Practises Words Practises Words Practises Words Practises Words Practises Words Practises Words Practis●s The War charg'd upon the King Treason to serve the King Words The 19. Deposing Propositions Words Practises Words Pract●ses Their Professions In the presence of the Almighty A Rebellion in t●eName of the everlasting God Covenant Loyalty Slanders upon ●he ha●m es● Presbyterians Presbyte●i●ns Positions Mr. Baxters best Go●ernors in the world The Innocent Non-Conformists The principles of the Late Rebellion revived Mr. ●axters Odd persons He Himsel● One. Mr. Baxter his o●n King and Pop● Baxters Agument against Ce●●monies The C●se w●ll Resolved
Disobedience to their Guides and of Schism and doing much more to the hurt of the Church a very great Sin Peter Lot and 't is like David did oft commit greater Sins R. B's Five Disdutes of Right to Sacraments P. 329. But a man must be guilty of more sins then Peter was in denying and forswearing Christ that is notoriously ungodly yea then Lot was who was drunk two nights together and committed Incest twice with his own Daughters and that after the miraculous destruction of Sodom of his own wife and his own miraculous Deliverance Nay a man that is notoriously ungodly in the sense in hand or Unsanctify'd must be a greater sinner then Solomon was with his Seven hundred Wives three hundred Concubines and gross● Idolatries P. 326.327 Mo. And are These the Saints Gentlemen that you are afraid should be cast out for Schismatiques They must be of your own Canonizing then for I assure you I finde no such Saints in our Kalendar But let me hear I beseech you whom we are to keep out and whom to take in Ri. We must either Tolerate All men to do what they will which they will make a matter of Conscience or Religion and then some may offer their Children in sacrifice to the Devil and some may think they do God service in killing his Servants c. Or else you must Tolerate no Errour or fault in Religion and then you must advise what measure of Penalty you will Inflict Church-Divis P. 363 364. Mo The two great Difficulties will be to say what Errours are Tolerable and what not and then to bring the Magistrate and the People to an Agreement upon the matter Ri If no Errour were to be a Tolerated no men were to be Tolerated and the Wisest in the World must be numbred with the Intolerable as well as the rest Church Divis. P. 348. Ba. But some People make those things to be Duties which are no Duties and Sins which are no Sins calling Evil Good and Good Evil and having made a Religion of their own confidently think that it is of God valuing all men that they have to do with according as they are nearer or further off from This which they account the way of God chusing a Church or Party to joyn with by the Test of This Religion which their Pride has C●osen Church Divis. P. 11. Thus they divide the Kingdom and Family of Christ destroying first the Love of Brethren and Neighbours in themselves and then labouring to destroy it in all Others by speaking against those that are not in their own way with Contempt and Obloquy to represent them as an Unlovely sort of Men and if the Interest of their Cause and Party require it perhaps they will next destroy their Persons And yet all this is done in zeal of God and as an Acceptable service to him Ibid. P. 12. And they think it a resisting of the Spirit to resist their Judgment P. 13. I have known too many very honest-hearted Christians especially Melancholique Persons and Women who have been in great doubt about the Opinions of the Millenaries the Separatists the Anabaptists the Seekers and such like and after earnest Prayer to God they have been strongly resolved for the way of Errour and Confident by the strong Impression that it was the Spirits Answer to their Prayers and thereupon they have set themselves into a Course of Sin Ibid. P. 162. And In truth it is very Ordinary with poor phancyfull Women and Melancholy Persons to take all their deep Apprehensions for Revelations Ibid. P. 167. Mo. Well but these people all this while take themselves to be in the right Ba. But as for that which is Contrary to Scripture I am sure it is contrary to the Will of God Church Divis. P. 166. Mo. Out of all doubt but what if They expound the Scripture One way and You Another Ba. Why if they believe That themselves which they can give you no reason to believe they must be content to keep their belief to themselves and not for shame perswade any other to it without proof If they say that God hath revealed it to them tell them that he hath not revealed it to You and therefore That 's nothing to You till they prove their Divine Revelation If God reveal it to them but for themselves they must keep it to themselves Ibid. P. 166. If they say that the spirit hath told Them the meaning of the Scripture say as before that it is not told to you which is not proved to you Ibid 167. But if we do through weaknesse or perversnesse take lawful things to be unlawfull That will not excuse Us in our disobedience Our Errour is our Sin and one Sin will not excuse another R. B's Five Disput. P. 483. He that mistakingly thinks any thing is good or bad Duty or Sin which is not so will be zealous in persute of his Mistake if he be serious for God Cath. Theol. Pref. It is an Ill sign when your zeal is beyond the proportion of your Understanding And your Prudence and Experience is much lesse then other mens as your zeal is greater Church Divis. P. 123. Beside that the more weak and worthlesse and Erroneous any ones Judgment is usually the more furious are they in the prosecution of it as if all were most certain Truth which they apprehend These are the boldest both in Schisms and persecutions Ibid. 357. Mo. But you will say that in cases where the common people may be imposed upon by Cred●lity Phancy or Weaknesse they may repair to their Teachers to set them right Ba. Even the most of Teachers take abundance of things for true and good that are false and evill and for false and bad which are true and good Much more are godly vulgar people Ignorant and consequently erre in many things Cath. Theol. Pref. And I my self was mistaken in my Aphorisms of Iustification and the Cov●nants as I have acknowledged in the same Preface Mo. You have had very ill luck Sir with your Aphorisms Ri. I must confess that when God had first brought me from among the more Ignorant sort of people and when I heard Religious Persons pray without Form and Speak affectionately and seriously of Spiritual and Heavenly things I thought verily that they were all undoubted Saints till e're long of those whom I so m●ch honoured one fell of to Sensuality and to Persecuting Formality and another fell to the foulest Heresy and another to disturb the Churches Peace by Turbulent Animositys and Divisions Church Divil P. 23.24 c. Ri. I thought once that all the talk against Schisme and Sects did but vent their Malice against the best Christians u●der those Names But since Then I have seen what Love-killing-Principles have done I have long stood by while Churches have been divided and Subdivided one Congregation of
other Places And then the boldnesse and Importunity of the Dividers encrease the necessity of the Injunction If you have forgotten the Common Votes and Addresse of Feb 25. 1662. upon This Subject Pray let me remember you of them Resolved c. Nemine Contradicente That the humble Thanks of This House be returned to his Majesty for his Resolution to maintain the Act of Vniformity Resolved c. That it be presented to the Kings Majesty as the humble Advise of the House that no Indulgence be granted to the dissent●● from the Act of Vniformity For these Reasons 1. It will establish Schisme by a Law amd make the 〈◊〉 Government of the Church Precaeious and the Censures of it of no moment or Consideration at all 2. It will no way become the Gravity or Wisdome of a Parli●ment to passe a Law at One Session for Vniformity and 〈◊〉 the next Session the Reasons of Vniformity continuing still the Same to passe Another Law to frustrate or Weaken the Execution of it 3. It will expose your Majesty to the Restlesse Importunity of every Sect or Opinion and of every single person also who shal presume to Dissent from the Church of England 4. It will be a cause of encreasing Sects and Sectaries 〈◊〉 Numbers will weaken the true Protestant Religion so far th●t it will at least be difficult for it to defend it self against the● And which is yet further Considerable those Numbers which by being Troublesome to the Government find they can arrive to 〈◊〉 Indulgence will as their Numbers encrease be yet more Troub●●some that so at length they may arrive to a General Toleration which your Majesty hath declar'd against and in time some pre●●lent Sect will at last contend for an Establishment which for 〈◊〉 can be fore-seen may end in Popery 5. It is a thing altogether without Precedent and will take away all means of Convicting Recusants and be inconsistent with the Method and Proceedings of the Laws of England Lastly It is humbly conceived that the Indulgence Proposed will be so far from tending to the Peace of the Kingdome that it is rather likely to Occasion great Disturbance And on the Contrary that the Asserting of the Laws and the Religion Established according to the Act of Uniformity is the most probable means to produce a settled Peace and Obedience throughout your Kingdome Because the Variety of Professions in Religion when openly divulged doth directly distinguish men into Parties and withall gives them opportunity to count Their Numbers which considering the Animosities that out of a Religious Pride will be kept on foot by the severall Factions doth tend directly and Inevitably to open disturbance Nor can your Majesty have any security that the Doctrine or Worship of the severall Factions which are all govern'd by a severall Rule shall be Consistent with the Peace of your Kingdome And if any Persons shall presume to disturb the Peace of the Kingdome We do in all Humility d●clare that we will for ever and in all Occasions be ready with our utmost Endeavours and Assistance to adhere to and serve your Majesty according to our bounden Duty and Allegiance Only one Word more and That must be to tax you with Infinite Ingratitude in saying that Parliaments for ought you know never did any thing for your Relief or Ease what do ye think of the Act of Indemnity I beseech ye Was it Nothing to give you your Lives Liberties and Estates again when all was Forfeited Nay and it is come to that Point now too that those very Instruments that were forgiven by the King for the Ruin of the Church and Three Kingdoms will not at this day forgive his Majesty for Endeavouring according to the Advice of his Parliament to Re-establish and Preserve them Ri. If you would understand us aright you must repair to our Declarations Professions Commissions National Oaths and Covenants and the Like Ho Com. Pag. 477. And pray Observe the Tenor of our Stile Addresse Protestations and other Proceedings Your Majesties most Humble and Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons Dec. 14. 1641. Most Humble and Faithf●●● Subjects Dec. 15. Most Humble and Obedient Subjects Exact Collections ●a 2. Mo. And now put That Libellous Remonstrance of Dec. 15. in the Scale against Three or Four Words of Course of the same date Ri. The Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the House of Commons your Faithful and Loyall Subjects c. Ibid. Pa 44. Dec. 31. 1641. Mo. This was a Message to his Majesty for a Guard which the King most graciously offer'd them but One of his Chusing it seems would not do the Businesse Ri. Your most faithful and Obedient Subjects the Lords and Commons in this Present Parliament c. Ibid. Pa. 65. Jan. 29. Mo. They Petition'd to have the Tower of London and all oeher Forts and the whole Militia of the Kingdom to be FORTHWITH put into the hands of such Persons as both Houses should Recommend c Ex. Coll. Jan. 29. 1641. And what did his Majesty now get by the Complement Ri. Your Humble and Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons c. Ibid. Feb. 22. 1641. Pa. 80. Mo. His Majesties Humble and Loyal Subjects are pleas'd to declare in this Petition that if the King does not Instantly grant them their Petition about the Militia they are bound by the Laws of God and man to take the Militia into their own hands Ri. Your Majesties most Loyal and Obedient Subjects the Lords and Commons c. Ib. Mar. 1. 1641. Pa. 92. Mo. In this Petition they threaten to dispose of the Militia by the Authority of the Two Houses They Order his Majesty where to dispose of his Person and absolutely deny the Kings Pow●● of the Militia but by Authority and consent of Parliament Ri. Your most Dutyful and Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons c. Ib. 138. Apr. 1642. Your Majesties most Loyal and Faithful Subjects the Lords and Commons c. Ib. Apr. 8. 1642. Pa. 141. Mo. Very Good And the Former of These was for Leave to remove the Magazin at Hull to the Tower of London And the Other was to divert the King from going into Ireland to supptesse the Irish Rebellion which had certainly been done and to tell him that if he went contrary to the Advice of his Parliament They were resolved in his Absence not to submit to any Commissioners he should appoint but to preserve and Govern the Kingdome by the Counsell and Advice of Parliament c. Ri. Your Majesties Loyal Subjects the Lords and Commons in his Parliament Ibid. 258. May 1642. Mo. Here His Majesties Loyal Subjects presse the King to disband his Troops at York or otherwise they 'le take the Quiet of the Kingdome into their own Care And passe These following Votes Resolved upon the Question 1. That it appears that the King seduced