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318_o why_o necessary_a that_o the_o priest_n who_o consecrate_v shall_v receive_v in_o both_o kind_n page_n 319_o excommunication_n never_o pronounce_v in_o the_o catholic_a church_n but_o where_o obstinacy_n and_o perverseness_n enforce_v it_o page_n 48_o incur_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la by_o all_o english_a protestant_n for_o deny_v any_o one_o of_o the_o 39_o article_n page_n 49_o the_o english_a church_n more_o just_o censurable_a for_o tyranny_n in_o point_n of_o excommunication_n than_o the_o roman_a page_n 49_o 50_o faith_n divine_a and_o infallible_a faith_n inconsistent_a with_o the_o denial_n of_o any_o one_o point_n sufficient_o propound_v by_o the_o church_n page_n 17_o faith_n implicit_a what_o it_o import_v in_o catholic_a sense_n page_n 20_o implicit_a faith_n necessary_a to_o be_v have_v of_o all_o divine_a revelation_n whatsoever_o explicite_fw-la only_o of_o what_o the_o church_n define_v and_o propound_v for_o such_o page_n 20_o the_o english_a protestant_n faith_n 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