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A80530	Experience, historie, and divinitie Divided into five books. Written by Richard Carpenter, vicar of Poling, a small and obscure village by the sea-side, neere to Arundel in Sussex. Who being, first a scholar of Eaton Colledge, and afterwards, a student in Cambridge, forsooke the Vniversity, and immediatly travelled, in his raw, green, and ignorant yeares, beyond the seas; ... and is now at last, by the speciall favour of God, reconciled to the faire Church of Christ in England? Printed by order from the House of Commons.	Carpenter, Richard, d. 1670?	1641 (1641)	Wing C620B; ESTC R229510	263,238	607

verbis Apost if they merit salvation they merited likewise the death of Christ But Saint Austin saith Neque enim illum ad nos merita nostra bona sed peccata duxerunt our merits did not draw him to us but our sinnes The Protestants have onely two Sacraments because Christ intended to give life and to maintaine it They have Baptisme to give spirituall life and the Sacrament of the Eucharist or the Lords Supper to keepe and cherish it The Papists have seven Sacraments as there are seven Planets and because there are seven deadly sinnes And yet if every visible signe of an invisible gift be a Sacrament the old Law was exceedingly stored with Sacraments The Protestants give Christ to be eaten by faith the Papists wholly and carnally and in the same manner as he is in Heaven And therefore the sacred institution is maimed and the poore Laity deprived of the Cup because they are beleeved to take all Christ his body ex vi verborum and his bloud soule Divinity and the blessed Trinity it selfe per concomitantiaem in regard that Christ cannot be parted The Protestants teach according to S. Paul that a Bishop may be the husband of one wife which the Papists 1. Tim. 3. 2 would faine turn to one Bishoprick or Benefice but S. Paul cuts them off having his children Verse 4. in subjection with all gravity Both the Bishop and Priest with the Papists professe to live a most Angelicall life and to carry with them out of the world an unspotted robe of chastity And yet while they bring glory to their Church by a compulsive restraint of the Clergy from an honest and lawfull act they ruine the precious soules of many thousands of thousands as appeareth by the great and grievous complaints of many devout persons in the Councell of Trent and by the beaten and ordinary practise of their Priests who by force turned from the true channell runne over all bankes into all beastlinesse And I have from their owne mouths two matters of notable importance First that indeed marriage had beene granted to Priests in the Councell of Trent had they not upon the suggestion of the Jesuits feared poverty and contempt By which it is as cleere as Gods Sunne that they more aime in their adventures at the glory of the Church their visible Mother then of God their invisible Father Secondly that the Jesuits hewed the Councell into this conceit for this end lest because the Jesuits can throw off their habit at their pleasure all their able men should have left them and runne a wiving And it is a great reason of a great rule they have that no Jesuit may be a Bishop or Cardinall without an extraordinary command and dispensation from the Pope because their houses would then be deplumed of Schollers I feare the religious persons of the Church of Rome clad so meanely in the greater part thinke themselves as great as the greatest Tertullian saith of Diogenes Superbos Platonis thoros alia superbia deculcat he kicks the pride of Plato being altogether Tert. Apol. cap. 46. as proud as he The Protestants are alwaies humble suppliants to God for the remission of their sinnes and still laying open before him and recounting the sins of their youth And the uncertainty holds them alwayes in a feare and trembling and in a meeke submission to God The Priest in Confession will give to the Papists a full and absolute forgivenesse of all their sinnes whensoever they please to read or tell them over And yet nothing is more dangerous to an ignorant soule then a deceitfull security they beleeve their sinnes are forgiven and the care is past Confession cannot be necessary necessitate absoluta that is necessary to salvation or in the list of Sacraments For why did the Greeke Church the most devout and most learned Church in the world and the Nursery of our greatest Doctors moved onely with one abuse ushered by Confession abolish it Can the abuse of a Sacrament amongst reasonable creatures and sensible of their owne condition deface the use of it And therefore doubtlesse they held it by the title of a good and pious custome not in the name of a Sacrament Turne another way God who commandeth every servant of his to keepe the dores of his senses and by all honest violence to prevent the entrance of sinne upon the soule will he give a Sacrament wherein the soule shal under the pretty color of sanctity stand open to all kindes of uncleannesse And he that commandeth me to shut my eares against lewd discourses will he now out-goe himselfe and command me to heare them They reply the relations are now in mourning and delivered in a dolorous and humble manner But the disease being catching we cannot be too cautious and it is not likely that God would linke a holy Sacrament with a knowne temptation It is a knowne truth that these confessions and especially of women when they relate the Acts and circumstances of their fleshly sinnes doe make strange motions not onely in the minds but also in the bodies of their Priests which their Authors confesse even out of Confession Confession as they use it is an optick instrument through which they looke neerely upon the soule that according to that sight they may governe And therefore it is one of the private rules amongst the Jesuits that in all their consultations which are many the Bell having rung them together the Ghostly Father especially shall be present and his counsell most observed And although the Generals of their Orders checked by the Popes have given publike commands to the contrary yet they are all but a face and a flourish Confession thought a Sacrament is to many the bane of perfection For leaning heavie upon the pretended strength and efficacie of the absolution they bate much of the sorrow which is the principall part of true repentance The Protestants keepe one day in the weeke holy in obedience to the Commandement given with a Memento Remember the Sabbath day to keepe it holy and other Euod 20. 8. speciall dayes according to an appointment squared by the rule of the ancient Church The Papists have many Holy-dayes and yet doe not seriously observe the Sabbath insomuch that the Jesuits boast their Founder to have complained much of Sabbath-breaking A Councell held under Guntranus Concil sub Guntrano complaines too Videmus populum Christianum temerario more diem Dominicum contemptui tradere we see the silly people animated with a rash custome contemne the Lords day First keepe the Commandement and then let your devotion stretch as God shall enable it In this point they are like themselves when they say their prayers For let my Reader imagine that he seeth two persons on their knees praying The one speaketh distinctly and lifteth up his eyes hands heart and voice together and in a fit time maketh an end The other looketh here and there and runneth with his tongue and

there were good men there Evaristus saith worthily writing to the Bishops of Egypt as he is alleadged by Gratianus Deus autem omnipotens ut nos à praecipitatae sententiae Evar. ep 2. ad Episc Aegypti prolatione compesceret cùm omnia nuda aperta sint oculis ejus mala Sodomae noluit audita judicare priusquam manifestè agnosceret quae dicebantur The omnipotent God to draw us back from the precipice of rash judgement although all things are naked and open to his eyes yet would not judge the sinnes of Sodome upon a single relation hee would manifestly see the truth of the matter in practise and draw an experimentall conclusion Not that God acquireth knowledge by experience or other wayes for experience is a knowledge of things which we knew not but for our learning Vnde ipse ait saith my Author Descendam et videbo utrum clamorem qui venit ad me opere compleverint an non est ita ut sciam Wherfore God saith I will goe downe now and see whether they have done altogether according Gen. 18. 21 to the cry of it which is come unto me and if not I will know Wee had lost many good things had not Gratianus beene in the way and this was one First God will go down and take paines to see the truth of what hee hath heard and then he seems not to know what he knowes that we may learne and know what wee know not Knowing and seeing hee went downe to see and know I knew not and I went to see and having seene I know Scientia est ejus cujus est demonstratio saith the Philosopher we know ●striA that which is evident to us by a demonstration And that I may cement the discourses of men with truth and because the contrary hath beene preached and mightily defended and it is my part to maintain truth on all sides here I cannot hold from plain-speaking In all the Churches which ever I saw belonging to the Church of Rome in France Spaine Italy and the low Countries and also in Rome it selfe the high Altar where the Sacrament is kept and delivered and which onely can fitly be likened to our Communion Table in regard it is but one is encompassed with Rails which Rails are cōmonly placed above the steps by which they ascend to the high Altar within which Rails the Priest only and he that serveth at Masse do abide except in the singing of high Masses when hee is accompanied with the Deacon Sub-deacon Master of Ceremonies and two Acolythi Upon which Rails in all Communions is laid along cloath of linnen which the Communicant holdeth with his hand toward his mouth while he doth cōmunicate and at which Railes the people doe alwayes receive the Communion I contribute this Testimonie towards the satisfaction of Truth-maintainers Oyee Ministers of England yee are or ought to be the light of the world the salt of the earth Shine therefore to the world and season the earth by your good examples Be humble as Christ was humble Be temperate be contented sorte vestra be laborious But above all seeke peace and pursue it And forget not to be direct and sincere Preachers of the Gospell of Christ If the Trumpet give an uncertaine sound who shall prepare himselfe to battell I confesse I am bold It is my 1 Cor. 14 8. love that speaks mixed with a feare lest we should fall into the foulest scorne of proud Rome I will close up all with an Apostolicall Admonition Now I beseech you Brethren by the name of our Jesus Christ that yee 1 Cor. 1. 10. all speake the same thing and that there be no divisions among you but that yee be perfectly joyned together in the same minde and in the same judgement And spare O spare the seamlesse garment of Christ And what I know I can demonstrate This shall end this Priests if they will be call'd so are like starres upon the powerfull influence of which dependeth all the course and disposition of this inferiour world If they be starres of a gentle and milde aspect they bring health peace plenty every good thing if otherwise plague warre famine all mischiefe Either what wee preach let us preach over and over and over againe by example or we shall after all our long talking from the Pulpit onely cast an offensive block before our weake brethren put innocent Christ to the blush whose royall person we present and vilifie our doctrine It is said Iesus began both to doe and teach And this way ranne the streame of his Act. 1. 1. doctrine Hee that shall doe and teach shall be called great in the Kingdome of Heaven First let us do and afterwards teach For then it is beleeved that we beleeve our own doctrine when we teach it preach it proclaime it the second time in the schoole of Manners Salvianus saith truly Atrociùs sub sancti nominis professione peccamus We sinne Solvia lib. 4 de guber Dei more grievously when our sinne breaketh out from under a glorious profession I will not denie while I live but that as Unity is the due perfection of a Thing so order of things For in a diversity of things there must be order or confusion If not confusion a unity in diversity which lest it should be lyable to frequent divisions must be dealt and disposed by order from whence rises that faire good Greek word made for the purpose 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 faire goodnesse For things are good as things and faire as ranked in order Dionysius giveth us an example in beauty where every part feature and colour is proportionably placed in order I grant willingly that the Church of Rome is outwardly one and orderly but this may be policy not religion If shee be one and orderly as shee ought to be shee must be one in faith and doctrine with the Apostles and the same in doctrine and practise The Cameleon they say sheweth all colours on her skin but white and red and yet those onely set our perfect beauty And the fairest in the Canticles is white and ruddy and his Spouse like him In operibus candida in sanguine purpurea white in works and purple with bloud snow-white not whited like a wall A word here pray It is past my graspe to comprehend and I beleeve beyond the Sphere of all our Activities how the notes and marks by which the Romanists professe to know the true Church when they see it may in reason be noted for such Antiquity is an accidentary thing a thing seperable if a thing may be said seperable which was never joyned from the true Church and a thing common to it with other Churches Accidentary because it founds not the Essence of the Church but happens to it by the fluencie of Time Seperable because the old Church in the dayes of Adam and the new Church in the time of the Apostles stood firme and was it selfe without it

of your life O the twichcraft of the Devill If we thinke that we came into the world to throw away our soules wee are too blame He that seeth a great streame of water presse forward in a calme Sea may be assured that a Whale passeth Here is the secret the streame of all things goeth with the Popes greatnesse And yet the Jesuits keepe him in awe and in a kinde of strict obedience to them Indeed they keep other great persons in subjection and make them Benefactours to them that their greatnesse may be long greatnesse The Pope dare not compose the quarrell betwixt the Jesuits and the Dominicans because he cannot except he side with one of them and abandon the other And Martin Luther cannot bee forgot And the Monke I so much speake of threatned his Holinesse home in his Epistle Dedicatory before the booke which old Leander transformed into good Latin for him The booke was made in the heat of those deadly quarrels betwixt the secular Priests and the Regulars wherein they accused one another of heresie and of strange things CHAP. IV. TO dry up this foule water in the fountaine The Pope is not head of the Church because this high and superlative power would then have most shone out and appeared in the Christian Hemisphere immediately after Christ had given the commandement upon which they build this power this Babel-Tower Nor could the rage of outward persecution hinder the perfect execution of spirituall power And what need could there be of the secular arme to joyne in the binding of the ready conscience with a law especially when Christians were so forward and prompt in the schoole of vertue as then they were Or at least persecution could not hinder the full acknowledgement of such a power And although we meete in the books of the Councels with so many faire and flattering Epistles of the Popes to the Grecian Emperours much degenerating from Popish gravity Because he hath in his keeping the Keyes of Heaven Hell Purgatory yet still the Grecians did bandy against them and desired to turne this over-swelling power into its owne and proper channell as they and other ancient Churches doe at this day Doth not here a man a meere vaine weake man exalt himselfe above God and every thing that is called God He is adorned with three Crownes for foure reasons Because there are three persons in one God he being the supposed Deputy hath three Crownes united in one Miter Because hee is Christs Vicar who was a King a Priest and a Prophet Because he is Prince of Rome Naples and Sicilie Let me give the fifth reason Because he was dirt he is dirt and he shall be dirt Constantine in the Councell of Nice expounded that place of the Psalme I have said yee are all Gods and sonnes of the Highest of Bishops He therefore exalting himselfe above all Bishops and to a heighth above all his Brethren by the head and shoulders lifts himselfe above all that is called God Let my soule goe with Saint Austin Neque S. Aug. l. 2. cont Donatistas c. 2. enim quisquam nostrum Episcopum se esse Episcoporum constituit aut tyrannico terrore ad obsequendi necessitatem collegas suas adigit Not one of us doth make himselfe the Bishop of Bishops or with tyrannicall affrightment force his fellow Bishops to the necessity of obedience And Saint Austin hath no reflection here upon Constantine who called himselfe in the Nicene Councell 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Bishop of Bishops in regard of his fatherly care over them because he speakes both of tyrannicall terrour and of fellow Bishops They say It is necessary to have an infallible Judge for the last resolution of controversies in matters of faith But if the Pope can stretch out his power to such definitions at home in his owne Chaire by his fire side to what strange end I pray is all this repairing from all parts to Councels All matters of faith in their doctrine are of equall moment and slipping in one we go downe in all And though every trouble be not so great ut omnes vexenter nationes that al Nations should be troubled in the settling of it yet exery growing trouble of faith which cannot be laid by argument and ordinary meanes requires that the whole body should helpe the part in danger of perishing Neither indeed can a Councell among them be a true judge of controversies For they professe that although the Pope as President of the Councell is tied to joyne with the greater part of voyces yet there is a reservation behinde that the Pope though not as President yet as the chiefe Prince of the Church may cancell the Acts of the Councell reverse the Decrees and retract the judgement So that in the marrow of the matter the judgement of a Councell is nothing but a vaine flash of the Popes private opinion And how stout he is in the defence of matters pertaining to the royalty of his owne greatnesse the whole world can testifie And for that great controversie long tossed and tumbled amongst them concerning the power of the Pope over the temporall affaires of Princes the Benedictine Monkes our Countreymen denyed lately the lawfulnesse of such a power But in the issue of the matter seeing the Jesuits more potent and themselves sliding downward into disgrace they drew back their necks softly out of the snare looked sorrowfull one upon another and repented of their errour And is it not every day feared in Rome that the Sorbon Doctors in Paris will at length give the lie to this great Authority and stately Seate and See of Rome O the vaine swelling of a bubble It is not commendable in a Church-person to be garded on both sides with great Fans from the impudencie of Waspes and Flyes and to keepe the winde away to be ushered with Trumpeters to be honoured like an Emperour to decke the head with more Crownes then God promiseth to his faithfull childe And it was not good which Paulus Aemilius writeth Paul Aemil. that his Holinesse suffered the great Embassadours of Sicilie to lie prostrate on the ground and at his gate crying that part of the Masse Qui tollis peccata mundi miserere nostri Qui tollis peccata mundi dona nobis pacem O thou that takest away the sinnes of the world have mercie upon us Thou that takest away the sinnes of the world give us peace Goe the wormes shall eate thee till they are poyson'd with corruption Wise men are madde Our feet slip we tumble and Lord have mercie upon us The gay flower withereth when the common grasse remaineth greene And man is the silly foole of his owne fancie God forgive him who said that he and three of his Cardinals were able to governe so many worlds if God should make them CHAP. V. HOw vaine is the Church of Rome in teaching that the Popes Throne doth so farre overlooke all other Thrones that he cannot be

in Biscay a Province of Spaine and observed with all exactnesse of diligence that every man having married a wife sent her the first night to the Priest of the Parish And that these different Orders of Religion did not take their beginning from the speciall inspiration of God I will manifestly prove out of their owne Canons The Councell of Lateran celebrated in Concil Later the dayes of of Pope Innocentius the third hath this Canon Ne nimia Religionum diversitas gravem in Ecclesia Dei confusionem inducat firmit●r prohibemus ne quis de caetero novam Religionem inveniat Sed quicunque voluerit ad Religionem converti unam de approbatis assumat Lest the diversity of Religions should trouble all and raise a confusion in the Church of of God we firmely forbid any man hereafter to invent a new Religion but whosoever will be turned to Religion let him apply himselfe to one of those which are already approved Marke the phrase of these Lateran Bishops invent a new Religion and I suppose they would not put limits to the Spirit of God and for the confusion here mentioned it is as plaine to be seene as the Church of Rome for in dissention is the destruction of love and order and consequently confusion And what true learning can the world expect from these people who cannot speake or write the sincere meaning of their minds because their tongues and pens are confined to the severall opinions of their orders Armed with these grounds I tooke up a good and masculine resolution and letting fall Popery made a confession of Faith against which the gates of Hell can never prevaile in the words and manner following CHAP. XVI I Beleeve that the Church of England comparing the weake and decayed estate of the Roman Church in the beginning of this latter age with the strong and flourishing condition of the Primitive times some hundreds of yeares after Christ and finding the Church of Rome with relation to those times so unlike the Church of Rome and so contrary to it selfe had good reason to trust the soules and eternity of her faithfull people rather with the old purity of the younger times neere Christ the ancient of dayes then with the new belefe of these old and dangerous times It being confessed and all Histories as if they had beene written with the same pen testifying that in those golden times the name of Pope was not heard of The Bishop of Rome was indeed esteemed a Bishop a Patriarch and there was a full point All the supremacie hee could possibly then claime rested in his being a supreme Patriarch Which supremacie gave him the first place allowed him to give the first sentence and there hee stuck And how little the Councell of Nice of Constantinople and all the Grecian Councels favoured the Latin Church and their Patriarch the Bishop of Rome he that can read and understand may be a witnesse And to consider the just ordering of Church-imployments Constantine the first Christian Emperour if I may stile him so without prejudice to Philip ex sacerdctum sententia saith Ruffinus advised by certaine Ruff. Eccl. Hist l. 1. c. 1. Bishops called the Councell of Nice And ●e cannot be said as Bellarmine answereth to have executed the Popes commandement For the Author seemeth not in his relation to have thought of the Bishop of Rome unlesse you will urge he thought of him in a confused manner as being in the number of Bishops Behold here the great height of Princely and temporall authority Edesius and Frumentius labouring Ruff. Eccl. Hist l. 1. c. 9 to reconcile a great Kingdome of India to Christ dealt their affaires with Athanasius Bishop of Alexandria they had not learned the duty of repairing to Rome Observe the indifferencie of Episcopall and Spirituall power And againe it being most certaine that in those cleane and holy times the Sacrament of the Eucharist was not adored and consequently not beleeved to be God and was freely delivered in both kindes to the people And I wonder that the strange inconveniencies which the nicenesse and curiosity of Rome pretendeth were not perceived by the cleare eyes of the holy Prelates in those dayes who little dreaming of a reall presence little thought waking that the administration of the Sacrament in one kinde gave the things signified by both kindes the body and blond and was therefore sufficient to spirituall nourishment And moreover it appearing plainely in all the old Monuments of Records that the Scripture was then read not to the eares but through the eares to the hearts of people in a knowne language So that when the supremacie of the Pope beganne to take place then onely his language began to be supreme as well as he More a great deale may be said but I have not time to say it at this time Indeed and indeed the Church of Rome in my thoughts is rather the carcasse of a Church then the Church animated with the holy Ghost and is like the ruines of a City burnt or decayed by which we may perceive there hath beene a City Her people may say Fuimus Troes we have been the beautifull Church of Christ It can doe no harme if it be knowne that three dayes before I preached my first Sermon by which I declared my recantation certaine Papists very neere to me in familiarity came to my lodging and desiring to dine with me furnished the table with provision of their owne buying But some houres after there rose such a tumult and combustion in my body that I was forced to take my bed and keep it and yet leave it every halfe houre that for three dayes I slept if at all but very little And when I came to the Pulpit I was more like the wrack of poyson then a living body And yet God carried me through that good work with great power THE FIFTH BOOKE CHAP. I. HAving thus boldly behaved my selfe in the open Field the Popish Priests and Papists beganne to let their tongues goe at me with all their power Potiphars wife threw slanders after Joseph flying from her The Dragon cast rivers of water out of his mouth thinking to drowne the Woman with her childe Plutarch that had escaped to the Wildernesse The Crocodiles are said to beate themselves when they have lost their prey Let the Crocodile correct himselfe but let him spare me Here I must advertise my Reader and before the advertisement I will consider that my Creatour my Redeemer and my Judge is present with me and observes how I manage my Pen. The Popish Religion in the continuance of it stands upon these two maine props as upon two mighty Pillars First the spreading and dilating of their praises who fight under their Banner Secondly the vilifying and debasing of those who take armes against them And it is to me a certainty that the world lies drown'd in the bottome of these two great flouds and is utterly ignorant what persons have

Priest came to me having in his company one habited like an English Minister and the maine point of his businesse broke out in these words See how God provides for his Church you have left us and here is one comming to us from that for the love of which you forsooke us And thus speaking he pointed to the Minister The Gentleman is now beneficed with us and therefore you shall not know his name though you are acquainted with his fault because God hath hid many of my faults from those that know my name Yet I like not that he so much savoureth of the Popish practise as to stigmatize me with the brand of insufficiencie in matter of learning wheresoever he commeth For if he were come quite home to us hee would be one heart and soule with me and draw the practise of his life more neare to his parts both of nature and learning in both which whatsoever I am he is not unable though both he and the Priest were of a most horrid life Let Men and Angels heare me If any member of the Church of Rome or England can make it plaine to the reason of competent and fit Judges that from the day wherein I first gave my necke into the yoke of the Papists to this houre I have committed any scandalous action scandalous in the judgement of the Church of England and moreover have not lived a wary sober and recluse life I will restore againe the little I have received from the Church of England and begge my bread all the dayes of my life Let them goe to my lodging-places in the City and to my Parish in the Countrey they are well knowne and when they come home againe convince me either of immodesty intemperancie idlenesse or other such crime and I will turne begger in the very day of my conviction And yet I know that the Church of Rome will set mee out and Reader remember my Prophecie in the forme of a foolish madde ignorant shallow and odiously wicked creature And I am all this but they know it not And even now I play the foole for in the defence of my selfe I commend my selfe But I trust my intention is rather to defend the honour of the Church from which I did once cut my selfe and to which God hath joyned mee againe I have heard it spoke in the corners of their Colledges that they presently write the lives of persons who revolt from them and put them and their actions in a strange habit I shall be joyfull to reade my life that I may weepe for my sinnes and blesse God for my deliverances but if it be not written truely he will write it that best knowes it If they come with falshoods I shall more and more detest them and their Religion and beleeve that all their good purposes in the service of God are but Velleities Wils and no Wils Wils which would but will not I desire peace if it may be granted with good conditions I was bound to satisfie good people and stop the mouths of the evill To many hath beene denied the use of a sword but no man ever was prohibited to use a buckler because a bucklar is ordained only for defence and in our defence we kill and yet are not thought to commit murder CHAP. III. GGD hath brought me home with a mighty hand Had I sailed from Rome one day sooner as my purpose was I had certainely beene carried away by the Turkish Gallyes which swept away all they met the day before I passed I was dangerously sicke in my journey towards England at Ligorne but God restored me The Ship in where I was ranne a whole night laid all a long upon one of her sides And another time began to sinke downright I fell into the hands of theeves by the Sea-shore that would have killed mee and all in my journey towards England And after all this and much more I am a convert to the Church of England in a time which needs a man of a bold heart and a good courage like my selfe to resist the craft encroaching and intrusion of Popery Let a great Papist remember his ordinary saying that he beleeved God would worke some great worke by me And I have great hope that the Church wil be pleased to look upon me and fixe me where I may best be seene and most be heard I am not of their minde that move and sue and labour in the atchievement of that which ought to bee cast upon them The Lord knowes that although the Church of Rome accuseth mee of ambitious thoughts a small being in a fit place is the top of all Con. Aqusgr can 134 The Councel of Aix my wishes A Councell said Meminisse oportet quia columba est in divinis Scripturis Ecclesia appellata quae non unguibus lacerat sed alis pie perculit We ought all to remember that the Church is stiled in holy Scripture an innocent Dove for her gentlenesse which chides rather then teares and having chid is friends again presently and receives with all gentlenesse Yet I am bold to say that it would be a noble worke to provide for the present reliefe and entertainment of Shollers who shall afterwards desert the Church of Rome and cleave to us The Church of Rome doth exceedingly bragge of her charity in that part when it is certaine their common aime if not their chiefe aime is the strength and benefit of their private body wherein they are all as one that they may stand the faster I owe my prayers and in a manner my selfe to many great personages The Lord pay them againe what I received of them in that money which goes in Heaven And persons of ordinary condition refreshed me above their condition Let him for whose sake they were so pious reward them I would the Levite had beene as earnest as the Samaritane CHAP. IIII. ANd being come to the Arke I desire not to settle onely upon the top of the Arke but to come into it and be pliable in all points If I have committed an errour in this booke I shall presently correct it after the least whisper of admonishment which may have beene easily committed because I have not used other books borne with a desire of haste but was contented with part of my owne papers and certaine extractions out of the Popish Libraries I beleeve as the Church of England beleeves knowing what shee beleeves The Greek and Latin editions have in the 8. chapter of Genesis The Crow went out and returned not But the English agreeing with the Hebrew hath And he sent forth a Raven which went forth to and fro untill the waters were dried up from off the earth For he went out and now and then returned to the top of the Arke flew to and fro as Birds are wont And though the Dove also went out of the Arke yet because she could not finde cleane footing shee returned and He put forth his hand and took her and

such huskes God for his Christs sake open your eyes that you may see and know him and his Church and also your selfe Which he prayes day and night that loves you night and day The Answer Sir VVHereas you stile your selfe my old Acquaintance without any farther illustration I have greater reason to feare and to flie then to hope and pursue because amongst my old Acquaintance more have beene evill then good And by the sequell it appeares that you stand in the ranke of the evill ones And that you are my old Acquaintance in the same construction as the World is old of which one sayes Mundus qui ob antiquitatem sapere deberet c. The World which because it is so old ought to be wise growes every day more unwise as it is more old A hand I have received and a good one but that as good a heart came with it will not sinke into my heart The hand is faire but how shall I know the heart is not foule Indeed Aristotle sayes that speech is the picture or image of the minde But hee meanes when the speech is the mindes true Interpreter You cannot be ignorant that it is a received though a close principle amongst the Jesuits We may be free of faire words because they goe not from us as drops of bloud or money with losse or expence O the riches of experience Both the Indies are poore compared with them That you dare not trust me with your name or person gives evidence for me that I am more true to my Superiours then to you And good reason Because I conceive there mediates no reall tie betwixt you and me but the worne and old tie of old Acquaintance And I never learned that God obliging a man to his old Acquaintance joyned them with the bonds of extraordinary love in the least degree or bound them to a performance of the acts depending upon it But I am glewed to my Superiours by the firme tyes of extraordinary love and subjection and therefore of duty and obedience I am in reference to them as an inferiour part in respect of the head and shoulders And therefore if my old Acquaintance shall strike at the head or annoy the body of which I am a foote I shall kick him down if I can even to the ground and say there lies my old Acquaintance The man whom you propose to me under the title of an innocent man and a lover of me and of my soule would have beene more truely described if you had said A wilde Priest a swaggarer a lover and haunter of the Taverne even when the sword of death hung by a small haire over his head It was my chance to meete him in the Kings high-way attired like a Knight or Lord travelling alone in a faire Coach drawne with foure great Horses towards the house of a Lady whose Priests have beene the pernicious cause of many grievous disorders in the Countrey where I live and this in a most dangerous and suspected time And having there endeavoured to pervert me and breake the bonds and ligaments of my duty to God and of my Allegiance to the King besides the concealement of such a treason in regard of the Law how should I have answered such a concealement in f●ro interno in the inward court of my heart and at the Bench of my conscience Occisio Animarum the murder of soules is the highest breach of the Commandement Thou shalt doe no murder Was not this a murderous attempt in the Kings high-way And pray does he that attempts to murder the soule of a man love the man If he lov'd me hee lov'd all me or he lov'd not me I confesse we argue differently because our arguments proceed upon different grounds and suppositions If my grounds stand fast my discourse will prove irrefragable You call me poore man And I am so or I am sure was so when you knew me And you pitie me and your pitie is baptized the childe of your love Saint Gregory Nazianzen hath a pretty phrase when he sayes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Many speake golden words but their speech though it points at the practique and the object be some practicable thing is both in the act and in effect all speculative that is both the intention and execution end and vanish away in speculation It seemes then that your love is not unlike the water of Aesculapius his Well which no commixtion or approximation can urge to putrifie Let those beleeve it to be sweete that have not tasted of it The bitternesse is scarce yet out of my mouth I am going in hast and you call after me whither so fast And shall I tell you whither Shall I in good earnest I will then I am going and my businesse requires hast to see if I can finde any Priests or Jesuits lurking in the secret corners adjoyning or neighbouring to the Parliament house I know that their life though it be mixt hath so much of action in it that they must alwayes bee doing You desire me to look back At your entreaty I do so And looking back I still finde that every where there are whole swarmes of waspish and turbulent Papists For that which followes God is a Father still and so forth I learned all that lesson in my conversion to the Church of England And I hope I shall never forget it You tell me that I seemed to your people a man of a good nature and religiously enclined Here is a plaine Jesuiticall flattery with a sharpe sting in the taile of it Why now you seeme too seeme to praise when you dishonour But how will you make it seeme that I did onely seeme It is very naturall and proper that bonum reale a reall good should be also bonum apparens should appeare to be good For otherwise it would not trahere in amorem sui draw men to love it But it is an Ethicall observation that men used to foule sinnes are so conscious of them and yet so desirous to disavow them that their guiltinesse still hammering upon their sinnes their obstinacie helped with their cunning presently takes their tongues off from acknowledging them to bee in themselves and because if they be being accidents they must be in convenient subjects fastens them upon others You remember one thing and you understand another I remember likewise that being a young stripling I was active in bestowing my service upon your Church fomented with your envenomed suggestions But give it me in a Demonstration at least a posteriori that your Church is the Catholike Church or Christs owne Spouse Your arguments are like your invincible Armado's which in their first appearance make a mighty Moone but are burnt and confounded in the end by a bold English man or an honest Hollander It is rooted in me that there is little symmetry little proportion betwixt you and the Spouse of Christ She is humble harmelesse bashfull compassionate zealous of her Lords honour and jealous