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relect._n con._n 1._o q._n 5._o a._n 3_o lo_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o roman_a be_v then_o with_o the_o catholic_a church_n not_o of_o the_o catholic_a with_o it_o and_o s._n cyprian_n employ_v his_o legate_n caldonius_n and_o fortunatus_n not_o to_o bring_v the_o catholic_a church_n to_o the_o communion_n of_o rome_n but_o rome_n to_o the_o catholic_a church_n elâ—borarâ—nt_n â—t_a ad_fw-la catholica_fw-la ecclessae_fw-la unitatem_fw-la sâ—issâ—_fw-la corporis_fw-la member_n câ—â—pâ—â—erent_fw-la etc._n etc._n now_o the_o member_n of_o this_o rent_n and_o tear_v body_n be_v they_o of_o rome_n then_o in_o a_o open_a schism_n between_o corneliuâ—_n and_o nâ—vatian_n s._n cypr._n l._n 2._o epist._n 10._o a._n c._n p._n 54._o 54._o câ—m_fw-la infiniti_fw-la abusus_fw-la schismata_fw-la quoque_fw-la &_o haereses_fw-la per_fw-la totum_fw-la nunc_fw-la christianum_fw-la orbem_fw-la invalescant_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la dei_fw-la legitimâ_fw-la indigere_fw-la reformatione_fw-la nemiâ—â—_n 〈◊〉_d â—ertum_fw-la â—rit_fw-la peâ—_n de_fw-fr aliâ—co_n card._n camerâ—_n ceâ—â—iâ—_n l._n de_fw-fr refor_n ecclesiae_fw-la and_o if_o schism_n and_o heresy_n do_v then_o invade_v the_o whole_a christian_a world_n let_v a._n c._n consider_v how_o rome_n sâ—aped_v free_a and_o i_o think_v caâ—eracâ—â—sis_n be_v in_o this_o prophetical_a for_o sixty_o year_n and_o more_o before_o luther_n be_v bear_v and_o so_o before_o the_o great_a trouble_n which_o have_v since_o fall_v upon_o all_o christendom_n he_o use_v these_o word_n in_o the_o book_n which_o himself_o deliver_v up_o in_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n nisi_fw-la celeriteâ—_n fiat_fw-la reformatio_fw-la audeo_fw-la dicere_fw-la quod_fw-la licet_fw-la magna_fw-la siâ—t_fw-la quae_fw-la videmus_fw-la tamen_fw-la in_o brevi_fw-la incomparabiliter_fw-la majora_fw-la vidâ—bimus_fw-la et_fw-la post_fw-la istae_fw-la â—onâ—â—rua_fw-la tam_fw-la â—â—rreâ—â—a_fw-la majora_fw-la alia_fw-la audiâ—mus_fw-la etc._n etc._n camet_n l._n de_fw-fr refor_n eccles._n and_o it_o will_v hardly_o sink_v into_o any_o man_n judgement_n that_o so_o great_a a_o man_n as_o pet._n â—s_n aliacâ—_n be_v in_o that_o church_n shall_v speak_v thus_o if_o he_o do_v not_o see_v some_o error_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o that_o church_n as_o well_o as_o in_o manner_n nay_o cassander_n though_o he_o live_v and_o die_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yet_o find_v fault_n with_o some_o of_o her_o doctrine_n consult_v artiâ—_n 21_o &_o 22._o and_o pope_n â—uliâ—â—â—_n the_o three_o profess_v â—e_n bononiâ—_n 〈◊〉_d sacramentorum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la ministerium_fw-la iâ—â—umerabiles_fw-la abusus_fw-la irrepâ—isse_fw-la espencaeus_fw-la in_o tit._n 1._o and_o yet_o he_o be_v onâ—_n of_o the_o bishop_n nay_o the_o chief_a legate_n in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n trent_n a._n c._n p._n â—4_n â—4_n s._n mat._n 13._o 25._o 25._o for_o a._n c._n know_v well_o what_o strange_a doctrine_n be_v charge_v upon_o some_o pope_n and_o all_o bellarmine_n labour_n though_o great_a and_o full_a of_o art_n be_v not_o able_a to_o wish_v they_o clean_o 〈◊〉_d â—_o 4._o the_o râ—m_n pont._n c._n 8_o etc._n etc._n et_fw-la papas_n quosdam_fw-la grave_n errores_fw-la seminâ—ssâ—_n in_o ecclesid_n christi_fw-la luâ—e_fw-la claâ—â—â—s_fw-la est_fw-la et_fw-fr proâ—â—tuâ—â—dâ—aco_fw-it â—aco_z almain_n opusâ—_n de_fw-fr author_n ecclesiae_fw-la c._n 10._o and_o cassander_n speak_v it_o out_o more_o plain_o utiâ—am_fw-la 〈◊〉_d he_o speak_v of_o the_o bishop_n and_o rector_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n â—_o 〈◊〉_d haec_fw-la informaâ—â—â—_n 〈◊〉_d essâ—â—_n non_fw-la ipsi_fw-la â—arum_fw-la superstitionum_fw-la auctores_fw-la essent_fw-la vel_fw-la certè_fw-la 〈◊〉_d iâ—_n animiâ—_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d â—lâ—quandâ—_n 〈◊〉_d caâ—sâ_fw-la nutrirâ—â—â—_n cassand_n consultâ—_n art_n 21._o versus_fw-la finem_fw-la finem_fw-la grave_a omniâ—â—_n crimen_fw-la sâ—â—_n desensionem_fw-la longinquam_fw-la non_fw-la requirit_fw-la satis_fw-la est_fw-la enim_fw-la negare_fw-la sicut_fw-la pro_fw-la ecclesiâ_fw-la olim_fw-la s._n aug._n de_fw-fr still_o cred._n c._n â—_o â—_o â—_o hanc_fw-la quae_fw-la respect_n hominum_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la dicitur_fw-la observare_fw-la ejusque_fw-la communionem_fw-la coâ—ere_fw-la debemus_fw-la calv._n inst._n 4._o c._n 1._o â—_o 7._o 7._o rectâ—â—ciaâ—_n not_o â—eâ—issâ—_n reâ—â—dâ—udo_fw-la â—_o vobis_fw-la etc._n etc._n lucif_n l._n dâ—_n non_fw-fr coâ—â—â—nitudâ—_n cum_fw-la â—aereticis_fw-la he_o speak_v of_o the_o arrian_n and_o i_o shall_v not_o compare_v you_o with_o they_o nor_o give_v any_o offence_n that_o way_n i_o shall_v only_o draw_v the_o general_a argument_n from_o it_o thus_o if_o the_o orthodox_n do_v well_o in_o depart_v from_o the_o arrian_n than_o the_o schism_n be_v to_o be_v impute_v to_o the_o arrian_n although_o the_o orthodox_n do_v depart_v from_o they_o otherwise_o if_o the_o orthodox_n have_v be_v guilty_a of_o the_o schism_n he_o can_v not_o have_v say_v rectè_fw-la scias_fw-la nos_fw-la fecisse_fw-la recedeâ—do_fw-la for_o it_o can_v be_v that_o a_o man_n shall_v do_v well_o in_o make_v a_o schism_n there_o may_v be_v therefore_o a_o necessary_a separation_n which_o yet_o incur_v not_o the_o blame_n of_o schism_n and_o that_o be_v when_o doctrine_n be_v teach_v contrary_a to_o the_o catholic_a faith_n †_o s._n matth._n 18._o 7._o a._n c._n â—_o 55_o 56._o 56._o a._n c._n p._n 57_o a._n c._n p._n 55._o a._n c._n p._n 56._o 56._o conventus_fw-la fuit_fw-la ordinum_fw-la imperii_fw-la
into_o the_o canon_n if_o the_o evidence_n of_o this_o light_n be_v either_o universal_a or_o infallible_a of_o and_o by_o itself_o and_o this_o though_o i_o can_v approve_v yet_o methinks_v you_o may_v and_o upon_o probable_a ground_n at_o least_o for_o i_o hope_v no_o etc._n romanist_n will_v deny_v but_o that_o there_o be_v as_o much_o light_n in_o scripture_n to_o manifest_v and_o make_v ostension_n of_o itself_o to_o be_v infallible_o the_o write_a word_n of_o god_n as_o there_o be_v in_o any_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n that_o it_o be_v divine_a and_o infallible_o the_o unwritten_a word_n of_o god_n and_o the_o scripture_n say_v from_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o prophet_n passim_fw-la thus_o say_v the_o lord_n and_o from_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o †_o apostle_n that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n speak_v by_o they_o be_v at_o least_o as_o able_a 25._o and_o as_o fit_a to_o bear_v witness_n to_o their_o own_o verity_n as_o the_o church_n be_v to_o bear_v witness_n to_o her_o own_o 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the_o holy_a ghost_n must_v not_o be_v exclude_v from_o that_o work_n which_o none_o can_v do_v but_o he._n for_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o 19_o he_o first_o dictate_v the_o scripture_n to_o the_o apostle_n 3._o so_o do_v he_o not_o leave_v the_o church_n in_o general_n nor_o the_o true_a member_n of_o it_o in_o particular_a without_o grace_n to_o believe_v what_o himself_o have_v reveal_v and_o make_v credible_a so_o that_o faith_n as_o it_o be_v take_v for_o the_o virtue_n of_o faith_n whether_o it_o be_v of_o this_o or_o any_o other_o article_n 8._o though_o it_o receive_v a_o kind_n of_o preparation_n or_o occasion_n of_o begin_v from_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o propose_v and_o induce_v to_o the_o faith_n yet_o it_o end_v in_o god_n reveal_v within_o and_o teach_v within_o that_o which_o the_o church_n preach_v without_o for_o till_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n move_v the_o heart_n of_o man_n he_o can_v believe_v be_v the_o object_n never_o so_o credible_a the_o 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