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A59219 A discovery of the groundlesness and insincerity of my Ld. of Down's Dissuasive being The fourth appendix to Svre-footing : with a letter to Dr. Casaubon, and another to his answerer / by J.S. Sergeant, John, 1622-1707. 1665 (1665) Wing S2564; ESTC R18151 61,479 125

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