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A71307 Purchas his pilgrimes. part 2 In fiue bookes. The first, contayning the voyages and peregrinations made by ancient kings, patriarkes, apostles, philosophers, and others, to and thorow the remoter parts of the knowne world: enquiries also of languages and religions, especially of the moderne diuersified professions of Christianitie. The second, a description of all the circum-nauigations of the globe. The third, nauigations and voyages of English-men, alongst the coasts of Africa ... The fourth, English voyages beyond the East Indies, to the ilands of Iapan, China, Cauchinchina, the Philippinæ with others ... The fifth, nauigations, voyages, traffiques, discoueries, of the English nation in the easterne parts of the world ... The first part. Purchas, Samuel, 1577?-1626. 1625 (1625) STC 20509_pt2; ESTC S111862 280,496 1,168

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fundam_fw-la cap._n 5._o etc._n etc._n be_v show_v not_o to_o be_v for_o it_o but_o some_o of_o they_o plain_o against_o it_o 97_o 7._o the_o objection_n from_o scripture_n and_o reason_n against_o the_o infallibility_n which_o h._n t._n ascribe_v to_o the_o church_n be_v make_v good_a against_o his_o answer_n 106_o 8._o the_o objection_n of_o protestant_n against_o the_o church_n infallibility_n from_o father_n and_o council_n be_v vindicate_v from_o h._n t._n his_o answer_n 124_o article_n vi_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v not_o demonstrate_v to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n by_o her_o sanctity_n and_o miracle_n 131_o sect._n 1._o the_o text_n bring_v by_o h._n t._n to_o prove_v that_o the_o true_a church_n be_v know_v by_o sanctity_n and_o miracle_n be_v show_v to_o be_v impertinent_a ibid._n 2._o the_o sanctity_n of_o man_n in_o former_a age_n prove_v not_o the_o holiness_n of_o the_o present_a roman_a church_n 132_o 3._o the_o imagine_a holiness_n of_o benedict_n augustine_n francis_n dominick_n prove_v not_o the_o verity_n of_o the_o now_o roman_a church_n 134_o 4._o the_o roman_a church_n be_v not_o prove_v to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n by_o the_o holiness_n of_o its_o doctrine_n but_o the_o contrary_n be_v true_a 136_o 5._o the_o devotion_n of_o the_o romanist_n show_v not_o the_o holiness_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n it_o be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n will-worship_n and_o pharisaical_a hypocrisy_n 139_o 6._o the_o power_n of_o work_a miracle_n be_v no_o certain_a mark_n of_o the_o true_a church_n 143_o 7._o the_o popish_a pretend_a miracle_n prove_v not_o the_o truth_n of_o their_o church_n nor_o the_o miracle_n relate_v by_o some_o of_o the_o father_n 144_o 8._o the_o objection_n against_o the_o proof_n of_o the_o verity_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n from_o the_o power_n of_o miracle_n be_v not_o solve_v by_o h._n t._n 147_o article_n vii_o the_o pope_n or_o bishop_n of_o rome_n supremacy_n or_o headship_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n be_v not_o prove_v by_o h._n t._n 151_o sect._n 1._o neither_o be_v it_o prove_v nor_o probable_a that_o peter_n be_v bishop_n of_o rome_n or_o that_o he_o be_v to_o have_v a_o successor_n ibid._n 2._o from_o be_v the_o foundation_n matth._n 16._o 18._o and_o feed_v the_o sheep_n of_o christ_n john_n 21._o 16_o 17._o neither_o peter_n nor_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n be_v prove_v 152_o 3._o the_o text_n matth._n 16._o 18._o prove_v not_o any_o rule_n or_o dominion_n in_o peter_n over_o the_o apostle_n but_o a_o promise_n of_o special_a success_n in_o his_o preach_v 156_o 4._o john_n 21._o 16_o 17_o 18._o prove_v not_o peter_n supremacy_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n 159_o 5._o peter_n charge_n to_o confirm_v his_o brethren_n luke_n 22._o 31._o and_o his_o priority_n of_o nomination_n prove_v not_o his_o supremacy_n 161_o 6._o the_o late_a pope_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o successor_n of_o peter_n 164_o 7._o the_o say_n of_o father_n and_o council_n prove_v not_o peter_n or_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n 165_o 8._o the_o holy_a scripture_n john_n 19_o 11._o act_n 25._o 10_o 11._o luke_n 22._o 25._o 1_o cor._n 3._o 11._o overthrow_n the_o pope_n supremacy_n 169_o 9_o cyprian_a hierome_n gregory_n the_o council_n of_o constantinople_n chalcedon_n nice_n be_v against_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n 176_o 10._o of_o the_o emperor_n call_v council_n pope_n joan_n papist_n kill_v prince_n excommunicate_a not_o keep_v faith_n with_o heretic_n 18●_n article_n viii_o the_o unwritten_a tradition_n which_o h._n t._n term_n apostolical_a be_v not_o the_o true_a rule_n of_o christian_a faith_n 187_o sect._n 1._o the_o argument_n for_o apostolical_a tradition_n as_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n from_o the_o mean_n of_o plant_v and_o conserve_n faith_n at_o first_o be_v answer_v ibid._n 2._o unwritten_a tradition_n be_v not_o prove_v to_o be_v the_o true_a rule_n of_o faith_n from_o the_o assurance_n thereby_o of_o the_o doctrine_n and_o book_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n 190_o 3._o the_o obligation_n of_o the_o church_n not_o to_o deliver_v any_o thing_n as_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n but_o what_o they_o receive_v prove_v not_o unwritten_a tradition_n a_o rule_n of_o faith_n 191_o 4._o counterfeit_v even_o in_o point_n of_o faith_n may_v and_o do_v come_v into_o the_o church_n under_o the_o name_n of_o apostolic_a tradition_n without_o such_o a_o force_n as_o h._n t._n imagine_v necessary_a thereto_o 195_o 5._o the_o romanist_n can_v never_o gain_v their_o cause_n by_o refer_v the_o whole_a trial_n of_o faith_n to_o the_o arbitrement_n of_o scripture_n but_o will_v be_v prove_v by_o it_o to_o have_v revolt_v from_o christianity_n 198_o 6._o say_n of_o father_n and_o council_n prove_v not_o unwritten_a tradition_n a_o rule_n of_o faith_n 202_o 7._o objection_n from_o scripture_n for_o its_o sufficiency_n without_o unwritten_a tradition_n be_v vindicate_v from_o h._n t._n his_o answer_n 205_o 8._o h._n t._n solve_v not_o the_o objection_n from_o reason_n for_o the_o scripture_n sufficiency_n without_o unwritten_a tradition_n 212_o article_n ix_o protestant's_n in_o not_o hold_v communion_n with_o the_o roman_a church_n as_o now_o it_o be_v in_o their_o worship_n in_o not_o subject_v themselves_o to_o the_o pope_n as_o their_o visible_a head_n in_o deny_v the_o new_a article_n of_o the_o tridentin_n council_n and_o pope_n pius_n the_o four_o his_o bull_n be_v neither_o guilty_a of_o schism_n nor_o heresy_n but_o papist_n by_o eject_v they_o for_o this_o cause_n and_o seek_v to_o impose_v on_o they_o this_o subjection_n be_v true_o schismatic_n and_o in_o hold_v the_o article_n which_o now_o they_o do_v be_v heretic_n 220_o sect._n 1._o h._n t._n his_o definition_n of_o schism_n and_o heresy_n be_v not_o right_a ibid._n 2._o protestant_n be_v not_o prove_v to_o be_v sectary_n by_o the_o first_o beginning_n of_o reformation_n 221_o 3._o the_o say_n of_o father_n prove_v not_o protestant_n heretic_n or_o schismatic_n 224_o 4._o h._n t._n have_v not_o solve_v the_o objection_n acquit_v protestant_n from_o schism_n and_o heresy_n and_o condemn_v papist_n 226_o finis_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la christi_fw-la est_fw-la quae_fw-la luscipit_fw-la à_fw-la christo_fw-la doctrinam_fw-la seu_fw-la cujus_fw-la fides_fw-la sundatur_fw-la authoritate_fw-la christi_fw-la thomas_n whitsonus_n bucci_n tract_n 1._o sect._n 7._o watson_n quodlib_a p._n 252_o 260_o 343._o
profession_n or_o other_o act_n it_o be_v which_o make_v schism_n nor_o be_v this_o a_o definition_n which_o do_v agree_v with_o their_o own_o grant_n for_o the_o council_n that_o depose_v pope_n separate_v from_o the_o government_n of_o the_o pope_n and_o the_o french_a in_o their_o pragmatic_n sanction_n and_o the_o venetian_n that_o refuse_v to_o obey_v pope_n paul_n the_o five_o his_o monitory_n deny_v themselves_o to_o be_v schismatic_n nor_o be_v it_o show_v how_o either_o be_v damnable_a or_o sacrilegious_a nor_o how_o protestant_n be_v sectary_n or_o which_o sectary_n be_v guilty_a of_o both_o or_o either_o so_o that_o in_o this_o tenet_n there_o be_v nothing_o but_o ambiguity_n and_o imperfection_n yet_o since_o by_o what_o follow_v we_o may_v guess_v his_o meaning_n let_v we_o view_v his_o dispute_n sect_n ii_o protestant_n be_v not_o prove_v to_o be_v sectary_n by_o the_o first_o beginning_n of_o reformation_n the_o argument_n say_v h._n t._n all_o such_o as_o be_v wilful_o divide_v both_o from_o the_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n be_v schismatic_n and_o heretic_n and_o consequent_o in_o a_o damnable_a state_n but_o most_o protestant_n and_o other_o sectary_n be_v wilful_o divide_v both_o from_o the_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n therefore_o they_o be_v schismatic_n and_o heretic_n and_o consequent_o in_o a_o damnable_a state_n the_o major_n be_v manifest_a out_o of_o the_o very_a notion_n and_o definition_n of_o schism_n and_o heresy_n the_o sequel_n of_o it_o prove_v thus_o by_o scriture_n titus_n 3._o 10._o 2_o peter_n 2._o 1._o judas_n 13._o rom._n 16._o 17._o matth._n 18._o 7_o 17_o 18._o 2_o thess_n 3._o 14._o answ_n 1._o by_o deny_v his_o definition_n to_o be_v good_a and_o that_o any_o of_o the_o text_n prove_v it_o 2._o by_o grant_v the_o sequel_n of_o they_o that_o be_v true_o term_v schismatic_n and_o heretic_n but_o not_o of_o such_o as_o he_o call_v such_o to_o wit_n that_o do_v wilful_o divide_v from_o the_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o now_o roman_a church_n false_o by_o he_o call_v catholic_n there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o examine_v each_o text_n till_o they_o be_v show_v to_o prove_v what_o be_v deny_v the_o minor_a say_v he_o be_v prove_v because_o luther_n and_o his_o fellow_n protestant_n divide_v themselves_o from_o the_o communion_n of_o all_o church_n therefore_o from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n and_o that_o as_o well_o in_o point_n of_o doctrine_n as_o matter_n of_o government_n as_o plain_o appear_v by_o all_o we_o have_v say_v and_o be_v yet_o confirm_v because_o when_o they_o begin_v their_o separation_n luther_n in_o germany_n tyndal_n in_o england_n etc._n etc._n the_o catholic_n church_n be_v in_o most_o quiet_a possession_n of_o her_o tenet_n in_o perfect_a peace_n and_o unity_n her_o doctrine_n and_o government_n be_v the_o same_o they_o have_v be_v not_o only_o to_o the_o time_n of_o gregory_n the_o great_a as_o protestant_n confess_v but_o to_o the_o very_a time_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o be_v manifest_a both_o by_o the_o public_a liturgy_n council_n and_o record_n of_o all_o age_n in_o which_o no_o one_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n or_o substantial_a point_n of_o discipline_n then_o profess_v by_o the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n and_o oppose_v by_o protestant_n have_v ever_o be_v censure_v and_o condemn_v as_o heretical_a or_o schismatical_a but_o all_o for_o the_o most_o part_n actual_o define_v and_o establish_v against_o ancient_a heretic_n as_o you_o have_v see_v in_o the_o council_n answ_n 1._o the_o minor_a speak_v of_o most_o protestant_n but_o mention_n none_o but_o luther_n and_o his_o fellow_n protestant_n and_o tyndal_n in_o england_n now_o it_o be_v no_o good_a proof_n against_o we_o that_o we_o be_v schismatic_n because_o luther_n and_o his_o fellow_n protestant_n be_v so_o and_o tyndal_n begin_v separation_n in_o england_n it_o be_v tell_v they_o by_o c●illingworth_n c._n 5._o p_o 1._o against_o knot_n that_o there_o may_v be_v a_o unjust_a separation_n begin_v and_o so_o a_o schism_n in_o the_o leader_n and_o yet_o no_o schism_n in_o the_o follower_n in_o after_o age_n as_o in_o a_o commonwealth_n it_o may_v be_v a_o sedition_n and_o rebellion_n to_o set_v up_o another_o government_n and_o governor_n in_o the_o first_o author_n and_o yet_o none_o in_o the_o posterity_n to_o continue_v they_o but_o rather_o their_o duty_n to_o maintain_v they_o in_o order_n to_o the_o peace_n and_o liberty_n which_o be_v unjust_o obtain_v at_o first_o 2._o it_o be_v deny_v that_o luther_n or_o tyndal_n divide_v themselves_o wilful_o that_o be_v without_o necessity_n it_o be_v know_v in_o the_o history_n of_o sleidan_n and_o other_o that_o luther_n at_o first_o speak_v honourable_o of_o the_o pope_n and_o be_v willing_a to_o have_v continue_v in_o communion_n with_o the_o roman_a church_n till_o leo_n the_o ten_o do_v by_o his_o bull_n condemn_v his_o doctrine_n afore_o 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themselves_o from_o the_o communion_n of_o all_o church_n it_o be_v certain_a that_o they_o actual_o join_v with_o the_o remainder_n of_o the_o hussites_n in_o bohomia_n and_o the_o waldenses_n about_o the_o alps_n who_o be_v true_a church_n of_o christ_n however_o the_o romanist_n term_v they_o nor_o do_v they_o ever_o renounce_v communion_n with_o the_o greek_a eastern_a or_o southern_a church_n though_o by_o reason_n of_o distance_n and_o the_o power_n they_o be_v under_o they_o can_v not_o have_v actual_a communion_n with_o they_o and_o by_o their_o desire_n of_o a_o free_a council_n in_o germany_n not_o call_v by_o the_o pope_n but_o the_o emperor_n and_o christian_a prince_n nor_o of_o bishop_n swear_v to_o the_o pope_n but_o of_o man_n that_o be_v equal_a judge_n by_o who_o their_o doctrine_n may_v be_v examine_v and_o by_o their_o often_o colloquy_n for_o reconciliation_n they_o plain_o show_v that_o they_o try_v all_o mean_n they_o can_v with_o a_o good_a conscience_n to_o have_v prevent_v the_o breach_n between_o they_o and_o the_o popish_a party_n who_o be_v certain_o the_o cause_n of_o the_o schism_n and_o true_o the_o schismatic_n as_o may_v be_v gather_v from_o their_o own_o story_n such_o as_o thuanus_n friar_n paul_n history_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n and_o other_o who_o relate_v the_o proceed_n of_o those_o time_n and_o not_o the_o protestant_n 4._o it_o be_v most_o false_a that_o they_o separate_v from_o the_o catholic_n church_n in_o point_n of_o doctrine_n it_o be_v most_o certain_a that_o the_o party_n from_o who_o the_o protestant_n separate_v have_v relinquish_v the_o catholic_n doctrine_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o primitive_a time_n for_o five_o hundred_o year_n at_o least_o and_o have_v bring_v in_o a_o new_a upstart_n doctrine_n of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n worship_v image_n transubstantiation_n half-communion_n as_o sufficient_a denial_n of_o priest_n marriage_n pope_n universal_a monarchy_n purgatory-fire_n indulgence_n sacrifice_n of_o the_o mass_n justification_n by_o work_n and_o many_o more_o which_o be_v unknown_a to_o the_o first_o christian_n nor_o have_v the_o contrary_n appear_v by_o any_o thing_n h._n t._n have_v say_v before_o as_o the_o reader_n of_o this_o answer_n may_v perceive_v 5._o it_o be_v most_o false_a that_o they_o separate_v from_o the_o catholic_n church_n in_o the_o point_n of_o her_o government_n the_o government_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n by_o one_o universal_a bishop_n be_v never_o the_o government_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n it_o be_v manifest_a by_o the_o first_o general_a council_n that_o the_o pope_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o acknowledge_v superior_a to_o other_o patriarch_n and_o the_o greek_a church_n have_v always_o resist_v his_o claim_n of_o supremacy_n and_o many_o as_o nilus_n archbishop_n of_o thessalonica_n barliam_n and_o other_o have_v write_v against_o it_o as_o a_o unjust_a claim_n 6._o