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A26943 Mr. Baxter's judgment and reasons against communicating with the parish-assemblies, as by law required, impartially stated and proposed Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1684 (1684) Wing B1289; ESTC R14325 19,788 40

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4._o to_o 17._o 1_o thes_n 5._o 12_o 13._o heb._n 13._o 7._o 24._o tit._n 1._o 5_o 6._o etc._n etc._n 1_o tim._n 3._o act_n 14._o 23._o acts._n 20._o 1_o cor._n 16._o 1._o etc._n etc._n mr._n baxter_n vbi_fw-la supra_fw-la p._n 24._o §_o 6._o the_o diocesane_a kind_n of_o particular_a church_n which_o have_v only_o one_o bishop_n over_o many_o score_n or_o hundred_o fix_v parochial_a assembly_n i_o take_v say_v mr._n baxter_n to_o be_v itself_o a_o crime_n which_o in_o its_o very_a constitution_n overthrow_v the_o office_n church_n and_o discipline_n which_o christ_n by_o himself_o and_o his_o spirit_n in_o his_o apostle_n institute_v for_o 1._o parish_n be_v make_v by_o they_o no_o church_n as_o have_v no_o rule_v pastor_n that_o have_v the_o power_n of_o judge_v who_o to_o baptise_v or_o admit_v to_o communion_n or_o refuse_v but_o only_o be_v chapel_n have_v preach_a curate_n 2._o all_o the_o first_o order_n of_o bishop_n in_o single_a church_n be_v depose_v 3._o the_o office_n of_o presbyter_n be_v change_v into_o semi-presbiters_a 4._o discipline_n be_v make_v impossible_a mr._n baxter_n '_o s_o church_n history_n of_o bishop_n and_o council_n abridge_v ch_n 1._o §_o 54._o the_o like_a he_o affirm_v in_o his_o five_o disputa_fw-la of_o church-government_n pag._n 19_o as_o to_o the_o eight_o sort_n of_o bishop_n viz._n the_o diocesane_n who_o assume_v the_o sole_a government_n of_o many_o parish_n church_n both_o presbyter_n and_o people_n as_o ten_o or_o twelve_o or_o twenty_o or_o more_o as_o they_o use_v to_o do_v even_o a_o whole_a diocese_n i_o take_v they_o say_v mr._n baxter_n to_o be_v intolerable_a and_o destructive_a to_o the_o peace_n and_o happiness_n of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o not_o to_o be_v admit_v under_o pretence_n of_o order_n or_o peace_n if_o we_o can_v hinder_v they_o §_o 7._o this_o diocesane_a church_n government_n be_v the_o facto_fw-la establish_v in_o this_o kingdom_n the_o parish_n assembly_n be_v not_o complete_a 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