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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A00791	An answer to a pamphlet, intituled: The Fisher catched in his owne net In vvhich, by the vvay, is shevved, that the Protestant Church was not so visible, in al ages, as the true Church ought to be: and consequently, is not the true Church. Of which, men may learne infallible faith, necessarie to saluation. By A.C.	A. C.; Champney, Anthony, 1569?-1643?, attributed name.; Sweet, John, 1570-1632, attributed name.; Floyd, John, 1572-1649, attributed name.; Fisher, John, 1569-1641, attributed name.	1623 (1623)	STC 10910.4; ESTC S107710	44,806	106

answered nor consequently he satisfied Moreouer the same Gentleman being present whē the Earle of Warwick told M. Fisher that D. Featly should at another tyme come againe to giue Names of Protestants in other Ages he might easily and doubtles did vnderstand that as yet Names in all Ages were not giuen nor consequently the Question satisfied in which he expected answere Furthermore presently after he went away from the Conference he told M. Fisher himselfe that he was glad that at the next meeting his Question should be answered which shewed that as yet he did not conceiue it to be answered Lastly diuers dayes after all the trouble and styrre was past which was made about the Conference the old Gentleman was not so resolute a Protestant as the Relator pretendeth for meeting M. Fisher and M. Sweete he desired them to giue him a Catalogue of Names of Professors of the Romā Church saying that if after this the Doctors should not giue him a Catalogue of Protestants he should dislike their cause Which Catalogue M. Fisher and M. Sweete haue ready for him but will not deliuer till he get the Doctours to make theirs ready that he may bring to them the Doctours Catalogue with one hand and receiue theirs with the other to deliuer to the Doctours All that can be suspected is that in the very tyme of the sayd styrre when the old Gentleman eyther was or feared to be called in question it may perhaps be that he might say those words which the Relator mētioneth but this if it were was only vpon frailty or humane feare of trouble and not any firme and settled resolution grounded vpon the Conference sith both before and after he shewed a contrary mynd as hath byn sayd As for other idle and false reports of a great Lady or any other Catholiks sayd to haue ben turned Protestants vpon this Conference I neglect them as being notoriously false It may be that some Weaklings who not being present at the Conference nor hauing commodity to heare what passed but from the lying lyps of some Protestants Who reported that Fisher was ouercome and had yielded Christ and his Apostles to be Protestants some Weaklings I say might perhaps be staggered vntill they heard the true report that this was only an impudent slaunder vttered by D. Featly but in words and deeds contradicted by M. Fisher. But I make no question so soone as these shall see or heare what is heere related they will be well satisfied and confirmed in the Catholike truth and that euen Protestants themselues will be moued to harken more after the matter And in case their Doctours doe not giue them a better Catalogue of Names of Protestants in all Ages then they did in this Conference they will doubt as they haue cause that the Protestant Church hath not byn so visible in all Ages as euen by D. Featly his argument is proued the true Catholike Church ought to be and consequently that it is not the true Catholike Church which in their Creede they professe to belieue and out of which as euen Caluin confesseth they cannot hope for remission of their sinnes nor saluation of their soules CHAP. IIII. Contayning a Reuiew and Reflection vpon the Premisses NOw hauing made an end of this Relation I am to intreate the Gentle Reader to reuiew it or reflect vpon it and to call to mind and marke 1. The occasion and consequently the end of the disputation 2. The Question and true meaning of it 3. What Methode was most fit to haue been obserued in treating of this question 4. What course was taken by the Protestant Disputant what by the Catholike Respondent All which being duely considered thou wilt better see what is to be iudged of the whole Conference and wilt make to thy selfe more benefit of the matter treated in it then perhaps hitherto thou hast done §. 1. About the Occasion and end of the Conference 1. The occasion of this Dispute was as thou hast heard in the Relation that a certaine old Protestant Gentleman was told as the truth is that there is no saluation out of the true Catholike Church and that to belieue the Catholike Church is one of the Articles of the Creed which euery Christian is bound to belieue and know and that this Church was no other besides the most auncient and vniuersally spread ouer the world the knowne Catholike Roman Church which hath had and can yet shew visible Pastours other Professors in all Ages and that the Protestant Church wherof for the present he was a member sprung vp of late and could not be the true Church of Christ as not hauing had as Christs true Church ought to haue Pastours and Doctours and lawfully sent Preachers so visible as the Names of them may be shewed in all Ages out of good Authors And this was the occasion of the dispute for heerupon the old Gentleman was so much moued in conscience to doubt of the Protestants Religion that he could not be quiet till he had made meanes to get this matter discussed in a Conference betwixt Catholike and Protestant Deuines in such sort as in the Relation hath byn told And therfore the end of this Conference was to giue this old Gentleman and others that should heare it satisfaction in this most important necessary point I call this point most important and necessary in regard the certainty of euery other point belieued by infallible diuine Fayth necessary to saluation dependeth vpon it For although euery point belieued by diuine Faith be in it selfe most true and by reason of the Diuine reuelation made knowne to the world by Christ his Apostles most certaine and infallible yet this truth infallible certainty therof is not made knowne to vs according to the ordinary course of Gods prouidence but only by the meanes which God hath appointed to wit by Pastors Doctors and Preachers of the true visible Church of Christ. §. 2. About the Question and meaning of it The Question propounded to be treated in the Conference vpon the occasion and for the end aforesayd was Whether the Protestant Church was visible in all Ages especially in the Ages before Luther and whether the Names of such visible Protestants may be shewed in all Ages out of good Authors The reason why this question was proposed rather then any other was for that the old Gentleman was already perswaded that there must be in all Ages a visible Church of Christ hauing in it visible Pastors Doctors and lawfully sent Preachers who are by Almighty God appointed and authorized to teach and of whom all sorts of people are commaunded warranted to learne infallible Fayth necessary to saluatiō And further that this Church and these her Pastors Preachers haue byn in all Ages past not only visible but so visible as the Names at least of some Pastours teaching and some people learning the true Fayth in all Ages might be produced

deserue the first place M. Fisher I wil not answer before you haue named the rest Then said D. Featly in a heat Wel you wil not dispute of Christ and his Apostles Then you grant Christ and his Apostles to be Protestants And so instantly without expecting M. Fishers answer he turned himselfe to the Audience and said He grants Christ and his Apostles to be Protestants Whereupon diuers of the Audience made such a showt as if they had gotten a Victorie with such a noyse as M. Fisher endeuouring to answer for a time could not be heard But he rising vp and with his Hand and Voyce crauing silence made such as would heare him vnderstand how falsely D. Featly had slandered him to his Face and eyther then or vpon some like occasion he said What may I expect behind my backe when you thus mis-report me to my Face And in this sort when many of the company were willing to depart D. Featly being called vpon as it seemed by some of his companions to goe away did arise and offer to begone yet in his rysing he turned to M. Fisher saying Will you dispute vpon Christ and his Apostles or no To which M. Fisher sayd I will if you will stay And stretching out his hand he tooke D. Featly by his arme offering to stay him yet he in that abrupt manner went away This is the true Relation of this last passage by which the falshood of that Relation which is made by the Protestant Relator may appeare For to make the best of D. Featly his Tergiuersation or rather plaine flight from proceeding in his Induction and to cast some colour ouer the matter by which he may make Protestants belieue that D. Featly had reason and M. Fisher was to blame First he maketh M. Fisher say You shall not begin with Christ and his Apostles as if M. Fisher had prohibited him to begin with the names of Christ and his Apostles which he did not neyther did he say those words at all which the Relator reporteth Secondly he suppresseth in silēce M. Fishers expresse yealding to dispute about Christ and his Apostles which M. Fisher did expresse two seuerall tymes once thus I will dispute of them in due place the second tyme when D. Featly would needs begon and in going asked will you dispute or no thus I will if you will stay Thirdly he relateth a Syllogisme to be made in this last passage which is not remembred but if it were it was very impertinent to an Induction and may easily be answered out of that which was formerly sayd against a like Syllogisme called by D. Featly A Demonstration à priori but is proued not to be so much worth as a probable proofe à posteriori Fourthly he relateth a coniuring charge to haue byn made by D. Featly to M. Fisher in this last passage which was not made But to returne to the breaking vp of the Conferēce So soone as D. Featly had in the abrupt manner aforesayd gone away and left M. Fisher and M. Sweete and diuers others of good ranke sitting at or neere about the Table amongst whome was the Earle of Warwick who not liking as it seemed that the matter should end in that ill fashion made a speach to M. Fisher and tould him that the Doctour should come againe and giue the rest of the Names of Protestant Professours after some dayes it being requisite that the Doctour should haue tyme to study for them To which M. Fisher sayd he was willing he should take tyme. Then the wryting of such things as had passed in the Conference being subscribed vnder D. Featly and M. Fishers hands was wrapped vp in a paper and sealed vp with three seales one with my Lord of Warwicks and the other with two other seales left in Syr Humfrey Lynds hands or some other Protestant with promise that it should be kept vnopened till the next meeting and that M Fisher afterwards should haue it or a true coppy of it which promise hath not yet been performed partly by reason the next meeting was prohibited but by whose meanes this prohibition came although I will not Censure as the Protestant Relator sayth a Romanist hath confidently auerred that the Protestant party laboured to haue all future meetings touching this occasion forbidden because they cannot make good that which they haue vndertaken about naming of Protestant Professors in all ages yet I cānot hinder men to haue such like suspicion because I know it is impossible for Protestants to performe that vndertakē Taske Now whereas my self haue heard that some suspected that the Catholike party had made meanes to get the second meeting hindered this idle fancy hath no foundation of any probability For all Catholikes are confident that Protestants can neuer produce out of good Authours Names of the Professors of this their new Reformation no more then any other Sect of Heretikes can produce the Names of men of their profession in all Ages since Christ whereas Roman Catholikes in their printed Bookes ordinarily set downe the Names of their Professors and chiefe Pastors in all Ages And soe the victory being so certaine on their side they had no reason to hinder the meeting wherby this question should be determined especially in such sort as is prescribed in M. Fishers second paper aboue rehearsed written before the last meeting And in particuler for M. Fisher and M. Sweet it is most certaine that they much desired the secōd meeting as may appeare First in that the next day after the last meeting they went to Syr Humfrey Lynds house offering to giue vnto him a Catalogue of Names of such as they would defend to haue been Professors of the Roman Fayth in all Ages that he might deliuer it to D. Featly and D. White to consider of agaynst the next meeting vpon condition that they should also reciprocally deliuer vp to M. Fisher M. Sweete a Catalogue of such as they would defend to haue been Protestants in all Ages to be considered off against the sayd next day of meeting The which offer seemed to another Protestāt who was then in Syr Humfrey Lynds company very reasonable and equall But Syr Humfrey sayd No I know the Doctors mynds that they will not giue vp any Catalogue before the very meeting and he asked M. Fisher why he did so much presse the Doctors for names of men of their profession in all Ages To whome M. Fisher answered that the reason to deale plainly was because he was fully perswaded that they could not giue vp any such Names After this M. Fisher and M. Sweete reflecting vpon Syr Humfreys words began to suspect that there would be no more meeting vnles the Earle of Warwicke who had engaged himselfe by his word to M. Fisher that it should be did presse the Doctours vnto it wherfore it seemed good that the Earle should be moued heerunto by a letter writtē by M. Fisher vnto him the copy wherof I haue thought good