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A70515 Of the incurable scepticism of the Church of Rome; De insanabili romanae Ecclesiae scepticismo. English La Placette, Jean, 1629-1718.; Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715. 1688 (1688) Wing L429; Wing T705; ESTC R13815 157,482 172

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the_o same_o say_v melchior_n canus_n ult_n canus_n can._n loc._n theol._n &_o lib._n 5._o cap._n ult_n the_o ancient_n consent_v hereto_o st._n hilary_n fragm_n hilary_n incipio_fw-la definitio_fw-la catholica_fw-la habita_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la catholicis_fw-la episcopis_fw-la priusquàm_fw-la per_fw-la terrenam_fw-la potestatem_fw-la territi_fw-la haereticorum_fw-la consortio_fw-la sociarentur_fw-la hil._n in_o fragm_n give_v this_o inscription_n to_o the_o first_o decree_n of_o ariminum_n this_o be_v the_o catholic_n definition_n compose_v by_o all_o the_o catholic_n bishop_n before_o that_o terrify_v with_o the_o secular_a power_n they_o be_v join_v to_o the_o society_n of_o heretic_n and_o st._n athanasius_n have_v reject_v afric_n reject_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d athan._n epist_n ad_fw-la episc_n afric_n the_o decree_n of_o this_o council_n of_o ariminum_n because_o extort_a by_o contention_n and_o force_n and_o desire_v a_o lawful_a council_n let_v a_o 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haec_fw-la illi_fw-la inquies_fw-la vi_fw-la &_o terror_fw-la compulsi_fw-la fateor_fw-la sed_fw-la qui_fw-la terror_fw-la compelli_fw-la potuerunt_fw-la ad_fw-la approbandam_fw-la haeresin_fw-la quidui_fw-la potuissent_fw-la delabi_fw-la eodem_fw-la aliis_fw-la rationibus_fw-la aut_fw-la ●●piditate_fw-la prauâ_fw-la impellente_fw-la estr_n diat_a assert_v 43._o have_v say_v that_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o ii_o ephesine_n council_n be_v force_v by_o the_o violence_n of_o dioscorus_n to_o subscribe_v to_o heresy_n have_v these_o word_n but_o you_o will_v say_v this_o they_o do_v compel_v by_o force_n and_o terror_n true_a but_o those_o who_o can_v be_v compel_v by_o terror_n to_o approve_v heresy_n why_o may_v they_o not_o be_v induce_v to_o the_o same_o by_o other_o reason_n or_o any_o inordinate_a desire_n from_o what_o have_v be_v say_v i_o gather_v four_o thing_n i._o that_o liberty_n in_o vote_v be_v a_o condition_n absolute_o necessary_a to_o a_o lawful_a and_o infallible_a 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