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A41329 The plea of the children of believing-parents for their interest in Abraham's covenant, their right to church-member-ship with their parents, and consequently their title to baptism. The cause of publishing this discourse after so many learned men have laboured in this province, is declared in the preface to the reader. By Giles Firmin. Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697. 1683 (1683) Wing F960; ESTC R216413 52,287 130

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