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A10609 A remonstrance: or plaine detection of some of the faults and hideous sores of such sillie syllogismes and impertinent allegations, as out of sundrie factious pamphlets and rhapsodies, are cobled vp together in a booke, entituled, A demonstration of discipline wherein also, the true state of the controuersie of most of the points in variance, is (by the way) declared. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629, attributed name. 1590 (1590) STC 20881; ESTC S115774 171,783 224

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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d while_o they_o preach_v say_v chrysostome_n expound_v that_o place_n or_o while_o they_o minister_v unto_o or_o for_o the_o lord_n but_o how_o follow_v it_o out_o of_o this_o place_n that_o because_o there_o be_v prophet_n and_o doctor_n in_o the_o church_n there_o ergo_fw-la there_o be_v unpreaching_a elder_n also_o though_o not_o specificallie_o name_v to_o be_v there_o or_o these_o fast_v and_o pray_v and_o lay_v their_o hand_n upon_o barnabas_n and_o saul_n ergo_fw-la other_o unpreach_v elder_n also_o lay_v their_o hand_n you_o may_v as_o just_o conclude_v they_o be_v not_o there_o ergo_fw-la they_o be_v there_o or_o the_o elder_n lay_v not_o their_o hand_n ergo_fw-la they_o lay_v on_o their_o hand_n but_o hereof_o we_o thus_o reason_n against_o you_o as_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n they_o be_v ordain_v so_o they_o must_v be_v still_o ordain_v in_o the_o apostle_n ordination_n be_v no_o one_o word_n of_o ordination_n by_o such_o lie_v elder_n that_o 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overseer_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d governement_n or_o governor_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d man_n set_v over_o other_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ruler_n guide_n or_o director_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d feeder_n &_o ruler_n which_o they_o can_v be_v except_o they_o have_v some_o rule_n government_n &_o authority_n but_o this_o rule_n and_o authority_n be_v but_o ecclesiastical_a whereas_o that_o which_o be_v affect_v by_o the_o apostle_n be_v civil_a which_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n whether_o it_o be_v whole_o or_o in_o part_n condemn_v by_o that_o general_a doctrine_n there_o deliver_v by_o our_o saviour_n do_v now_o rest_v to_o be_v consider_v we_o be_v therefore_o in_o these_o word_n vos_fw-fr auten_fw-mi non_fw-fr sic_fw-la it_o shall_v not_o be_v so_o among_o you_o to_o note_v these_o two_o thing_n viz._n unto_o who_o such_o prohibition_n reach_v &_o what_o rule_n it_o be_v which_o be_v there_o forbid_a first_o it_o be_v not_o speak_v to_o the_o apostle_n as_o 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interpretation_n unto_o your_o own_o fantastical_a sense_n and_o understanding_n the_o 3._o demonstration_n whatsoever_o be_v command_v and_o never_o repeal_v the_o church_n must_v receive_v that_o as_o perpetual_a but_o such_o be_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n by_o the_o eldership_n demonstration_n demonstration_n in_o that_o s._n paul_n mention_v they_o and_o be_v to_o be_v esteem_v as_o commandment_n of_o the_o lord_n 1._o cor._n 14.37_o ergo_fw-la to_o the_o mayor_n one_o instance_n undo_v this_o to_o abstain_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o strangle_a remonstrance_n remonstrance_n be_v a_o commandment_n never_o repeal_v yet_o not_o bind_v we_o nor_o perpetual_a to_o the_o minor_n that_o be_v not_o the_o meaning_n of_o s._n paul_n whosoever_o be_v a_o prophet_n or_o spiritual_a let_v he_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o thing_n which_o i_o write_v unto_o you_o be_v the_o lord_n commandment_n what_o for_o a_o presbytery_n or_o eldership_n where_o be_v any_o such_o 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d no_o more_o the_o divine_a or_o preacher_n to_o be_v a_o worldling_n as_o for_o the_o place_n of_o cyprian_a lib._n 1._o epi._n 9_o it_o may_v serve_v any_o of_o your_o elder_n that_o will_v encumber_v themselves_o either_o with_o that_o or_o any_o other_o troublesome_a execution_n yet_o it_o be_v speak_v of_o a_o tutorship_n or_o gardianship_n which_o be_v by_o the_o roman_a law_n more_o troublesome_a and_o less_o beneficial_a than_o a_o executorship_n and_o often_o time_n very_o dangerous_a to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o tutor_n the_o 6._o demonstration_n thing_n of_o contrary_a quality_n can_v concur_v demonstrat_n demonstrat_n the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o common_a weal_n be_v so_o for_o they_o be_v both_o next_o special_a member_n of_o one_o general_a the_o one_o spiritual_a the_o other_o temporal_a the_o one_o for_o the_o soul_n the_o other_o for_o the_o body_n ergo_fw-la to_o the_o mayor_n thing_n of_o contrary_a quality_n may_v concur_v 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policy_n oeconomie_n ergo_fw-la none_o can_v govern_v his_o house_n and_o private_a wealth_n and_o the_o common_a wealth_n also_o this_o be_v also_o false_a as_o for_o the_o addition_n of_o your_o minor_n the_o one_o etc._n etc._n ecclesiastical_a government_n be_v not_o only_o spiritual_a which_o concern_v the_o conscience_n inward_o but_o christian_a magistracy_n be_v also_o spiritual_a concern_v the_o visible_a church_n the_o other_o temporal_a it_o be_v not_o only_o temporal_a unless_o you_o mean_v among_o the_o church_n spiritual_a government_n respect_v principal_o the_o soul_n not_o only_o the_o soul_n temporal_a government_n not_o only_o the_o body_n but_o secondary_o touch_v the_o conscience_n and_o soul_n unless_o you_o can_v fain_v a_o body_n without_o a_o soul_n here_o be_v your_o error_n you_o do_v not_o understand_v that_o christ_n do_v govern_v by_o the_o magistrate_n and_o minister_n both_o spiritual_o and_o external_o howbeit_o by_o himself_o only_o spiritual_o which_o 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