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1._o 11._o ad_fw-la eph._n hom._n 11._o that_o of_o st._n chrysostome_n we_o consent_v unto_o in_o this_o sense_n viz._n that_o wilful_o to_o divide_v the_o unity_n of_o christ_n church_n do_v inevitable_o infer_v damnation_n as_o sure_o as_o the_o pierce_a of_o christ_n body_n but_o do_v this_o prove_v that_o a_o dissent_n from_o a_o particular_a church_n in_o matter_n of_o inferior_a moment_n out_o of_o humane_a frailty_n do_v inevitable_o do_v so_o 2._o 2._o ad_fw-la sympr_fw-la cp_n 2._o as_o for_o that_o of_o st._n pacian_a who_o tell_v we_o that_o novatian_n be_v nor_o crown_v because_o he_o die_v out_o of_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n we_o answ_n that_o in_o st._n pacians_n phrase_n to_o die_v out_o of_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n be_v to_o die_v without_o charity_n to_o the_o member_n of_o it_o as_o it_o immediate_o there_o follow_v hear_v the_o apostle_n if_o i_o have_v all_o faith_n and_o have_v not_o charity_n i_o be_o nothing_o 3._o 10._o de_fw-fr 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dr._n field_n will_v inform_v he_o that_o st._n cyprian_n by_o that_o chair_n intend_v not_o one_o particular_a chair_n appoint_v for_o a_o general_n teacher_n of_o all_o the_o world_n to_o sit_v in_o but_o the_o joint_a commission_n unity_n and_o consent_n of_o all_o pastor_n which_o be_v and_o must_v be_v such_o as_o if_o they_o do_v all_o sit_v in_o one_o chair_n which_o sense_n of_o one_o chair_n found_v upon_o peter_n you_o may_v find_v in_o the_o same_o cyprian_a ad_fw-la universam_fw-la plebem_fw-la 8_o lib._n ep_v 8_o where_o he_o urge_v the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n and_o chair_n not_o to_o show_v that_o obedience_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o to_o show_v that_o against_o they_o that_o be_v lawful_o place_v in_o a_o bishopric_n with_o consent_v allowance_n of_o the_o pastor_n at_o unity_n other_o may_v not_o be_v admit_v and_o that_o they_o who_o by_o any_o other_o mean_n get_v into_o place_n of_o ministry_n then_o by_o consent_v allowance_n 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not_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o answer_v return_v to_o the_o passage_n by_o the_o incomparable_a chillingworth_n viz._n the_o truth_n be_v the_o donatist_n have_v set_v up_o at_o rome_n a_o bishop_n of_o their_o faction_n not_o with_o intent_n to_o make_v he_o bishop_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o of_o that_o church_n in_o particular_a now_o optatus_n go_v upon_o st._n cyprian_n above_o mention_v ground_n of_o one_o bishop_n in_o one_o church_n prove_v they_o schismatickâ—_n for_o so_o do_v and_o he_o prove_v it_o by_o this_o argument_n st._n peter_n be_v first_o bishop_n of_o rome_n neither_o do_v the_o apostle_n attribute_v to_o themselves_o each_o one_o his_o particular_a chair_n understand_v in_o that_o city_n for_o in_o other_o place_n other_o have_v chair_n beside_o st._n peter_n and_o therefore_o he_o be_v a_o schismatic_a who_o against_o that_o one_o single_a châ—ir_n erect_v another_o understand_v as_o before_o in_o that_o place_n make_v another_o bishop_n of_o that_o diocese_n beside_o he_o who_o be_v lawful_o elect_v to_o it_o we_o pass_v on_o to_o st._n chrysostome_n from_o who_o two_o sentence_n be_v press_v for_o the_o service_n of_o the_o pope_n but_o to_o the_o first_o i_o return_v a_o non_fw-fr est_fw-fr inventus_fw-la after_o twice_o read_v the_o three_o hom._n cite_v by_o he_o 1.4_o he_o in_o act._n apost_n c._n 1.4_o i_o can_v find_v nothing_o like_o the_o word_n produce_v in_o the_o second_o be_v evident_a prevarication_n for_o have_v tell_v we_o that_o these_o word_n follow_v i_o show_v his_o special_a care_n he_o have_v of_o st._n peter_n he_o add_v how_o then_o be_v it_o may_v some_o say_v that_o st._n james_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o this_o i_o answer_n say_v he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o that_o be_v
hadrian_n the_o pope_n as_o well_o as_o other_o bishop_n of_o the_o east_n that_o he_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v under_o none_o sed_fw-la solus_fw-la praeesse_fw-la videretur_fw-la to_o this_o we_o be_v 1._o tell_v by_o he_o p._n 38._o that_o this_o very_a title_n be_v give_v to_o pope_n leo_n by_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n attribute_v that_o to_o a_o general_n council_n which_o be_v do_v by_o a_o inconsiderable_a part_n of_o the_o pope_n flatterer_n but_o be_v this_o true_a as_o our_o adversary_n pretend_v this_o title_n be_v attribute_v to_o other_o also_o and_o therefore_o be_v no_o fit_a medium_n to_o conclude_v the_o universal_a supremacy_n of_o any_o patriarch_n rather_o than_o of_o all_o to_o who_o it_o be_v give_v especial_o see_v it_o be_v suppose_v to_o have_v be_v give_v to_o the_o pope_n by_o that_o very_a council_n which_o determine_v that_o the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n shall_v have_v equal_a prerogative_n with_o he_o to_o who_o this_o title_n be_v allow_v 2_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o john_n of_o constantinople_n ibid._n constantinople_n ibid._n whilst_o he_o take_v this_o title_n still_o acknowledge_v the_o pope_n superiority_n not_o only_o of_o place_n but_o authority_n over_o he_o ans_fw-fr this_o affirmation_n be_v a_o immodest_a fiction_n to_o say_v no_o worse_o build_v upon_o a_o forgery_n which_o he_o have_v use_v in_o foist_v john_n into_o the_o place_n of_o eusebius_n as_o before_o be_v show_v at_o last_o he_o come_v to_o the_o business_n and_o tell_v we_o 4._o sect._n p._n 39_o s_o 4._o that_o gregory_n do_v not_o so_o much_o combat_v john_n present_a intention_n as_o the_o probable_a consequence_n of_o such_o a_o title_n which_o may_v argue_v that_o beside_o himself_o there_o be_v no_o bishop_n in_o the_o church_n for_o if_o he_o be_v the_o universal_a bishop_n and_o the_o whole_a world_n his_o diocese_n since_o by_o the_o canon_n there_o can_v be_v but_o one_o bishop_n in_o a_o place_n it_o will_v fellow_n that_o all_o other_o 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