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the_o church_n and_o they_o do_v whole_o run_v that_o way_n in_o so_o much_o as_o caluin_n write_v upon_o one_o of_o those_o epistle_n ephes._n 1._o for_o 23._o say_v 23._o nihil_fw-la impedit_fw-la quo_fw-la minus_fw-la de_fw-la universali_fw-la gubernation_n accipias_fw-la there_o be_v no_o impediment_n wby_o you_o may_v not_o understand_v it_o of_o christ_n universal_a government_n but_o more_o fit_o to_o this_o purpose_n beza_n where_o speak_v of_o christ_n as_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n 556._o and_o of_o such_o officer_n as_o he_o have_v appoint_v under_o he_o he_o account_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n for_o one_o as_o before_o it_o have_v be_v note_v but_o snecanus_fw-la be_v resolute_a and_o account_v they_o adversary_n &_o anabaptist_n that_o shall_v deny_v it_o affirm_v that_o by_o ruler_n and_o governor_n rom._n 12._o and_o 1._o cor._n 12._o where_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n the_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v understand_v 557._o as_o well_o as_o their_o alderman_n that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v reckon_v inter_fw-la officia_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la 668._o nay_o inter_fw-la dona_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la ephesi_n 4._o though_o they_o be_v not_o there_o name_v and_o that_o it_o be_v therefore_o great_a rashness_n to_o exclude_v the_o civil_a authority_n out_o of_o the_o church_n nisihanc_n simul_fw-la tollere_fw-la velint_fw-la 557._o except_o they_o mean_v to_o abolish_v it_o altogether_o indeed_o i_o like_v this_o exception_n well_o and_o so_o i_o do_v also_o of_o his_o opinion_n for_o i_o think_v that_o if_o king_n and_o prince_n be_v joint_a commissioner_n under_o christ_n the_o head_n with_o their_o pastor_n doctor_n and_o alderman_n assign_v by_o the_o apostle_n for_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n they_o may_v be_v well_o content_a and_o reckon_v it_o no_o disparagement_n unto_o the_o best_a of_o they_o that_o the_o prince_n their_o sovereign_n shall_v bear_v the_o chief_a and_o the_o great_a sway_n among_o they_o and_o all_o this_o make_v direct_o against_o cartwright_n even_o as_o though_o man_n of_o purpose_n shall_v have_v study_v to_o have_v disgrace_v he_o which_o sure_o need_v not_o for_o if_o his_o own_o writing_n be_v narrow_o look_v into_o there_o be_v sufficient_a in_o they_o to_o decipher_v he_o in_o his_o colour_n 470._o i_o marvel_v what_o he_o mean_v when_o he_o write_v that_o a_o king_n be_v necessary_a for_o the_o israelit_n to_o shadow_v out_o to_o they_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ._n will_v he_o leave_v his_o scholar_n at_o liberty_n to_o reason_n as_o the_o apostle_n do_v when_o they_o shall_v see_v their_o time_n christ_n be_v now_o come_v in_o the_o flesh_n &_o be_v our_o high_a priest_n have_v perform_v the_o work_n of_o our_o salvation_n therefore_o the_o priesthood_n of_o aaron_n be_v but_o a_o shadow_n of_o christ_n priesthood_n ought_v now_o to_o cease_v and_o even_o so_o they_o when_o they_o listen_v the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n be_v now_o come_v unto_o we_o &_o 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he_o shall_v thereby_o incur_v the_o high_a displeasure_n of_o these_o rabbi_n which_o he_o shall_v be_v sure_a to_o have_v stick_v upon_o he_o until_o they_o can_v wait_v he_o as_o good_a a_o turn_n yet_o i_o say_v again_o what_o be_v leave_v to_o the_o magistrate_n the_o injury_n be_v confess_v afore_o there_o shall_v need_v no_o trial_n of_o the_o fact_n where_o so_o many_o witness_n may_v be_v use_v to_o prove_v his_o confession_n afore_o if_o now_o he_o shall_v deny_v it_o all_o that_o the_o magistrate_n have_v to_o do_v be_v to_o set_v down_o what_o recompense_n i_o shall_v have_v for_o my_o say_a injury_n and_o to_o tax_v my_o charge_n if_o you_o say_v nay_o he_o will_v hear_v the_o cause_n again_o indeed_o i_o confess_v he_o have_v need_n to_o do_v so_o but_o so_o both_o i_o and_o the_o party_n shall_v be_v double_o charge_v and_o trouble_v beside_o that_o course_n will_v turn_v to_o the_o utter_a discredit_n of_o the_o presbytery_n that_o their_o deal_n fit_v in_o the_o seat_n 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their_o ministry_n and_o they_o be_v fall_v into_o these_o absurdity_n he_o have_v also_o before_o name_v some_o other_o through_o their_o reject_v of_o the_o authority_n of_o bishop_n you_o see_v their_o desire_n in_o this_o case_n and_o it_o may_v in_o my_o opinion_n be_v stretch_v to_o the_o former_a and_o then_o as_o i_o have_v show_v through_o scandale_n offence_n conscience_n and_o i_o know_v not_o what_o pretence_n challenge_n and_o counterfeit_a prerogative_n the_o jurisdiction_n of_o their_o eldership_n will_v be_v so_o large_a as_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n judge_n and_o lawyer_n shall_v not_o need_v to_o be_v great_o trouble_v these_o thing_n with_o all_o the_o premise_n of_o this_o chapter_n consider_v i_o dare_v say_v you_o long_o to_o know_v by_o what_o authority_n they_o challenge_v to_o deal_v in_o all_o these_o so_o many_o and_o so_o infinite_a cause_n and_o to_o satisfy_v your_o longing_n the_o learned_a discourser_n shall_v first_o speak_v his_o mind_n 87._o our_o saviour_n christ_n say_v he_o in_o the_o word_n church_n allude_v to_o the_o jew_n sanedrim_n which_o have_v the_o hear_n and_o determine_v of_o all_o difficult_a matter_n among_o they_o the_o like_a whereof_o he_o will_v to_o be_v establish_v in_o his_o church_n for_o administration_n of_o government_n what_o you_o will_v say_v but_o weighty_a matter_n how_o come_v they_o now_o to_o all_o matter_n even_o to_o robin-hood_n maigame_n and_o may_v pole_n you_o say_v true_o but_o cartwright_n will_v supply_v this_o defect_n for_o indeed_o this_o discourser_n shoot_v many_o bow_n too_o short_a this_o be_v the_o policy_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o jew_n 183._o and_o of_o the_o synagogue_n say_v he_o from_o whence_o our_o saviour_n take_v this_o and_o translate_v it_o unto_o this_o church_n that_o when_o any_o man_n have_v do_v any_o thing_n that_o they_o hold_v for_o a_o fault_n that_o then_o the_o same_o be_v punish_v and_o censure_v by_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n and_o m._n beza_n excom_n quod_fw-la ius_fw-la fuit_fw-la synagogae_fw-la sub_fw-la lege_fw-la cur_n non_fw-la valeat_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la sub_fw-la evangelio_fw-la authore_fw-la christo_fw-la math._n 18.17_o non_fw-la video_fw-la i_o see_v not_o why_o the_o same_o authority_n that_o the_o synagogue_n have_v under_o the_o law_n shall_v not_o continue_v now_o in_o the_o church_n under_o the_o gospel_n according_a to_o christ_n institution_n in_o the_o chapter_n mention_v indeed_o if_o christ_n have_v ordain_v any_o such_o matter_n it_o be_v good_a reason_n it_o shall_v be_v so_o but_o because_o they_o will_v needs_o bring_v we_o to_o the_o jew_n let_v we_o see_v what_o pretty_a tale_n they_o will_v tell_v we_o of_o those_o time_n they_o say_v and_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o priest_n be_v the_o lawyer_n of_o the_o land_n 104._o and_o will_v they_o be_v so_o now_o if_o the_o same_o policy_n continue_v why_o shall_v they_o not_o they_o tell_v we_o further_o that_o in_o civil_a cause_n when_o 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the_o present_a form_n of_o our_o church-government_n shall_v be_v any_o long_o endure_v or_o why_o any_o call_n in_o the_o world_n next_o unto_o the_o call_n of_o every_o moses_n and_o sovereign_a within_o their_o own_o dominion_n shall_v be_v more_o esteem_v cherish_v reverence_a or_o honour_v by_o all_o true_a christian_n than_o the_o calling_n office_n &_o authority_n of_o bishop_n and_o archbishop_n have_v so_o general_a &_o continual_a a_o allowance_n both_o of_o god_n himself_o and_o of_o all_o godly_a and_o right_o zealous_a man_n ever_o since_o there_o be_v any_o outward_a form_n of_o church_n government_n appoint_v chap._n ix_o they_o disagree_v very_o great_o concern_v doctor_n it_o be_v now_o become_v to_o be_v a_o receive_a opinion_n especial_o among_o those_o that_o desire_v to_o have_v the_o kingdom_n of_o the_o pretend_a eldership_n to_o reign_v over_o they_o that_o s._n paul_n in_o the_o fourrh_n to_o the_o ephesian_n do_v make_v the_o doctor_n a_o distinct_a office_n 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by_o christ_n appointment_n be_v commit_v &_o that_o consequent_o he_o have_v by_o the_o same_o authority_n his_o place_n &_o voice_n in_o the_o consistory_n as_o well_o &_o by_o as_o good_a right_n as_o either_o the_o pastor_n or_o elder_n so_o as_o if_o there_o be_v any_o reform_a church_n in_o the_o world_n where_o there_o be_v pastor_n that_o have_v not_o these_o doctor_n &_o which_o do_v not_o admit_v they_o to_o have_v any_o such_o authority_n nor_o give_v they_o either_o place_n or_o voice_n in_o their_o consistory_n then_o sure_o all_o those_o and_o many_o such_o like_a speech_n follow_v do_v even_o as_o proper_o fall_v upon_o they_o as_o they_o do_v upon_o our_o church_n against_o the_o which_o they_o be_v first_o coin_v and_o utter_v 17.18_o they_o refuse_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n they_o deprive_v the_o church_n of_o the_o free_a gift_n of_o christ_n 463._o they_o purpose_v not_o to_o have_v the_o church_n flourish_v in_o true_a knowledge_n they_o want_v some_o necessary_a gift_n which_o be_v tie_v necessary_o to_o that_o office_n 12._o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n 54._o the_o mean_n thereunto_o be_v absolute_o necessary_a 1._o which_o be_v the_o have_v of_o pastor_n and_o doctor_n 3_o so_o long_o as_o man_n be_v subject_a to_o ignorance_n the_o church_n be_v miserable_o destitute_a that_o want_v the_o doctor_n they_o can_v take_v away_o those_o ministery_n that_o god_n have_v place_v in_o his_o church_n no_o christian_n church_n aught_o to_o swerve_v from_o the_o officer_n he_o name_v doctor_n that_o god_n have_v appoint_v 16._o if_o they_o do_v they_o maim_v the_o church_n they_o take_v away_o a_o member_n from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n they_o maim_v his_o body_n and_o deform_v it_o which_o after_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o amplification_n be_v a_o matter_n of_o as_o great_a importance_n as_o the_o addition_n of_o any_o new_a officer_n
the_o deposition_n of_o any_o that_o be_v reserve_v only_o to_o the_o provincial_a synod_n it_o shall_v seem_v that_o in_o these_o place_n they_o have_v not_o the_o same_o word_n of_o god_n that_o our_o man_n have_v or_o otherwise_o if_o our_o reformer_n say_v true_o that_o election_n and_o abdication_n do_v belong_v to_o the_o eldership_n and_o that_o it_o be_v as_o the_o sin_n of_o chore_n dathan_n and_o abiram_n for_o any_o that_o be_v not_o of_o the_o particular_a eldership_n to_o intrude_v themselves_o and_o meddle_v with_o the_o matter_n which_o be_v there_o to_o be_v handle_v and_o so_o consequent_o to_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o deal_v in_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v not_o prescribe_v unto_o they_o particular_o by_o the_o lord_n himself_o alas_o in_o what_o great_a danger_n be_v all_o those_o elder_n both_o classical_a and_o provincial_a in_o swerve_v so_o great_o from_o our_o man_n platform_n to_o the_o unspeakable_a prejudice_n of_o the_o presbyterial_a alderman_n in_o every_o 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