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it_o which_o be_v the_o purpose_n of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o both_o kind_n to_o the_o communicant_n dare_v they_o say_v of_o this_o sacrament_n it_o be_v not_o certain_a that_o our_o saviour_n do_v appoint_v it_o in_o the_o determinate_a matter_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n if_o they_o dare_v yet_o be_v it_o wisdom_n according_a to_o champny_n former_a resolution_n and_o advise_v in_o point_n of_o ordination_n not_o to_o omit_v either_o part_n which_o our_o saviour_n have_v appoint_v and_o the_o ancient_a church_n constant_o administer_v to_o the_o people_n 7._o ordination_n of_o their_o unction_n in_o ordination_n now_o for_o our_o omission_n of_o their_o unction_n which_o be_v the_o main_a of_o those_o ceremony_n we_o use_v not_o we_o say_v they_o can_v prove_v it_o apostolical_a or_o that_o it_o be_v use_v in_o ordination_n by_o the_o greek_a church_n but_o admit_v it_o be_v use_v ancient_o in_o the_o western_a church_n we_o say_v it_o be_v but_o a_o tolerable_a or_o convenient_a 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as_o one_o be_v a_o sacrament_n so_o be_v the_o other_o and_o from_o the_o one_o he_o sometime_o argue_v to_o prove_v the_o like_a in_o the_o other_o as_o from_o the_o form_n of_o baptism_n to_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n as_o we_o see_v above_o in_o his_o 10._o chap._n and_o may_v below_o in_o his_o 14._o pag._n 480._o which_o because_o it_o make_v for_o better_a clear_v this_o business_n of_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n we_o will_v here_o insert_v 9_o there_o he_o thus_o argue_v quemadmodum_fw-la si_fw-la aliâ_fw-la formâ_fw-la &_o ritu_fw-la etc._n etc._n even_o as_o if_o parker_n for_o there_o he_o dispute_v against_o his_o ordination_n from_o the_o form_n of_o it_o have_v be_v baptize_v after_o any_o other_o form_n or_o manner_n than_o augustine_n deliver_v he_o have_v not_o receive_v true_a baptism_n so_o neither_o true_a ordination_n be_v ordain_v by_o another_o form_n than_o austin_n be_v ordain_v and_o do_v ordain_v by_o and_o pag._n 483._o he_o thus_o again_o argue_v against_o our_o answer_v that_o we_o retain_v in_o our_o form_n of_o ordination_n what_o be_v essential_a and_o according_a to_o scripture_n si_fw-mi nihil_fw-la aliud_fw-la ad_fw-la essentiam_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o nothing_o else_o pertein_a to_o the_o essence_n of_o baptism_n or_o holy_a order_n but_o what_o be_v express_v in_o scripture_n than_o the_o form_n both_o of_o baptism_n and_o ordination_n use_v in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v to_o be_v reject_v because_o no_o where_n express_v in_o scripture_n how_o false_a this_o no_o where_n express_v in_o scripture_n be_v of_o the_o form_n of_o baptism_n i_o note_v above_o under_o his_o first_o proposition_n and_o how_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n be_v in_o scripture_n either_o express_o contain_v or_o deducible_a and_o approvable_a by_o it_o be_v also_o there_o declare_v but_o by_o both_o these_o reason_v it_o appear_v that_o to_o he_o
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