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who_o be_v thereby_o prefigure_v john_n 3.14_o the_o serpent_n be_v lift_v up_o that_o the_o people_n may_v round_o about_o the_o better_a behold_v it_o and_o it_o show_v forth_o also_o the_o lift_n up_o of_o christ_n upon_o the_o crosse._n it_o be_v not_o set_v up_o to_o be_v worship_v neither_o be_v it_o worship_v till_o the_o people_n fall_v into_o superstition_n and_o offer_v incense_n to_o it_o and_o therefore_o because_o the_o people_n abuse_v that_o monument_n hezekiah_n break_v it_o down_o 2._o king_n 18._o second_o it_o be_v not_o all_o one_o to_o fall_v down_o before_o in_o or_o at_o the_o ark_n and_o tabernacle_n and_o to_o worship_n god_n as_o to_o worship_v the_o ark_n or_o tabernacle_n you_o do_v not_o only_o fall_v down_o before_o a_o crucifix_n but_o worship_v it_o neither_o be_v it_o as_o lawful_a to_o worship_v before_o a_o crucifix_n as_o it_o be_v before_o the_o tabernacle_n for_o the_o one_o be_v command_v of_o god_n the_o other_o be_v the_o superstitious_a 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follow_v that_o saint_n image_n shall_v for_o all_o divine_a worship_n belong_v only_o to_o god_n but_o the_o saint_n themselves_o though_o they_o be_v alive_a be_v not_o to_o be_v worship_v much_o less_o their_o image_n argum._n 4._o the_o chief_a iconomachi_n that_o be_v enemy_n or_o oppugner_n of_o idol_n say_v they_o be_v the_o jew_n samaritan_n mahometanes_n yea_o the_o devil_n himself_o love_v no_o image_n bellarm._n ibid._n ans._n first_o it_o follow_v not_o the_o jew_n and_o turk_n abhor_v image_n and_o therefore_o christian_n ought_v to_o love_v they_o for_o the_o heathen_a hate_v many_o vice_n which_o be_v also_o to_o be_v abhor_v of_o christian_n second_o they_o be_v not_o the_o first_o iconomachi_n image_n hater_n for_o moses_n be_v a_o iconomach_n when_o he_o cause_v the_o golden_a calf_n to_o be_v burn_v to_o powder_n hezekiah_n a_o iconomach_n that_o break_v down_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n josiah_n a_o iconomach_n that_o cause_v the_o idol_n to_o be_v destroy_v 2._o 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in_o many_o other_o place_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n worship_v of_o image_n which_o be_v idolatry_n manifest_o forbid_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n rom._n 1.23_o 1._o corinth_n 10.20_o 1._o john_n 5.21_o ergo_fw-la not_o lawful_a ans._n one_o catharinus_n a_o great_a papist_n say_v that_o the_o commandment_n in_o the_o law_n against_o image_n be_v but_o temporal_a and_o to_o continue_v but_o till_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n but_o bellarmine_n utter_o mislike_v this_o answer_n be_v most_o absurd_a for_o the_o moral_a law_n be_v perpetual_a de_fw-fr imaginib_fw-la sanct_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 7._o they_o do_v give_v therefore_o a_o more_o deliberate_a answer_n that_o the_o scripture_n do_v reprove_v and_o condemn_v the_o idolatry_n of_o the_o heathen_a which_o
rhemist_n annot_v phiâ—ipp_n â—_o sect_n â—_o apocal._n 13.17_o the_o protestant_n 1._o the_o bow_v at_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n as_o it_o be_v use_v in_o popery_n to_o bend_v the_o knee_n at_o the_o sound_n thereof_o be_v not_o command_v in_o this_o place_n which_o show_v especial_o the_o subjection_n of_o all_o creature_n of_o turk_n jew_n infidel_n yea_o of_o the_o devil_n themselves_o to_o the_o power_n and_o judgement_n of_o christ._n second_o protestant_n have_v only_o take_v away_o the_o superstitious_a abuse_n of_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n three_o the_o kneel_v at_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n be_v superstitious_o abuse_v in_o popery_n for_o the_o people_n stoop_v only_o at_o the_o sound_n not_o understand_v what_o be_v read_v and_o so_o make_v a_o idol_n of_o the_o letter_n and_o syllable_n adore_v and_o worship_v the_o very_a name_n when_o they_o hear_v it_o or_o see_v it_o and_o again_o in_o sit_v and_o not_o veil_v at_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n immanuel_n god_n the_o father_n the_o son_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o bow_v only_o at_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n fulk_n ibid._n four_o due_a reverence_n may_v be_v use_v to_o our_o saviour_n without_o any_o such_o ceremony_n of_o cap_v or_o kneel_v fulk_n neither_o do_v we_o bind_v any_o of_o necessity_n to_o use_v this_o reverence_n to_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n as_o the_o papist_n do_v which_o think_v that_o christ_n can_v otherwise_o be_v honour_v neither_o do_v we_o judge_v and_o condemn_v those_o that_o do_v use_v it_o be_v free_a from_o superstition_n and_o ground_v in_o knowledge_n and_o careful_a not_o to_o give_v offence_n for_o superstitious_a and_o offensive_a ignorance_n be_v not_o in_o any_o case_n to_o be_v defend_v five_o this_o outward_a reverence_n to_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n be_v first_o take_v up_o among_o christian_n because_o of_o all_o other_o name_v it_o be_v most_o deride_v and_o scorn_v of_o the_o pagan_n and_o jew_n and_o therefore_o they_o do_v the_o more_o honour_n it_o but_o now_o there_o be_v great_a danger_n of_o popish_a superstition_n in_o abuse_v holy_a thing_n then_o of_o profane_a paganism_n in_o utter_o contemn_v they_o and_o therefore_o there_o be_v not_o such_o necessary_a and_o just_a occasion_n of_o use_v this_o external_a gesture_n now_o as_o be_v in_o former_a time_n it_o be_v not_o use_v of_o necessity_n then_o much_o less_o now_o the_o sixth_o question_n concern_v temple_n and_o church_n this_o question_n have_v diverse_a part_n first_o of_o the_o form_n and_o situation_n of_o church_n second_o of_o the_o end_n and_o use_v of_o church_n three_o of_o their_o ornament_n four_o of_o the_o dedication_n of_o church_n five_o of_o thing_n hallow_v and_o consecrate_v for_o church_n the_o first_o part_n of_o the_o sitvation_n of_o church_n the_o papist_n the_o church_n and_o temple_n of_o christian_n say_v they_o be_v most_o convenientlye_o and_o have_v be_v of_o ancient_a time_n build_v towards_o the_o east_n bellarmine_n libro_fw-la tertio_fw-la capite_fw-la tertio_fw-la de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la argu._n 1._o paradise_n be_v build_v in_o the_o east_n genes_n 2.8_o and_o therefore_o we_o ought_v to_o pray_v that_o way_n for_o desire_v we_o have_v to_o our_o country_n ans._n 1._o paradise_n be_v then_o eastward_o unto_o moses_n and_o the_o israelite_n be_v in_o the_o wilderness_n when_o he_o write_v this_o story_n but_o it_o can_v be_v east_n to_o all_o christian_a nation_n for_o paradise_n be_v plant_v in_o eden_n which_o be_v part_n of_o mesopotamia_n must_v needs_o be_v west_n to_o the_o persian_n south_n to_o the_o scythian_n and_o tartarian_n north_n to_o the_o aethiopian_n wherefore_o this_o reason_n be_v not_o general_a for_o all_o church_n in_o christian_a nation_n second_o it_o skill_v not_o where_o that_o earthly_a paradise_n be_v situate_a our_o heavenly_a paradise_n be_v in_o heaven_n which_o be_v every_o where_o open_a to_o all_o true_a believer_n argu._n 2._o we_o look_v for_o christ_n to_o come_v in_o 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neither_o do_v we_o refuse_v to_o pray_v in_o church_n build_v towards_o the_o east_n but_o that_o our_o oratory_n and_o place_n of_o prayer_n ought_v rather_o to_o be_v build_v that_o way_n than_o any_o other_o out_o of_o the_o scripture_n it_o can_v be_v prove_v and_o we_o hold_v it_o as_o a_o mere_a superstitious_a opinion_n argu._n 1._o s._n paul_n exhort_v man_n every_o where_o to_o lift_v up_o pure_a hand_n 1._o tim._n 2.8_o he_o say_v in_o every_o place_n without_o exception_n whether_o towards_o the_o east_n or_o the_o west_n or_o wheresoever_o 2._o if_o any_o place_n be_v more_o dangerous_a than_o other_o to_o pray_v in_o it_o be_v not_o so_o safe_a and_o perhaps_o more_o perilous_a to_o pray_v towards_o the_o east_n for_o idolater_n be_v wont_a to_o turn_v they_o towards_o the_o east_n and_o to_o worship_v the_o sun_n rise_v ezech._n 8.17_o and_o for_o this_o cause_n the_o holy_a place_n in_o the_o tabernacle_n be_v towards_o the_o west_n exod._n 26.27_o and_o it_o be_v the_o 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