Selected quad for the lemma: reason_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
reason_n	authority_n	believe_v	church_n	6,044	5	5.1817	4	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A05161	A relation of the conference betweene William Lavvd, then, Lrd. Bishop of St. Davids; now, Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterbury: and Mr. Fisher the Jesuite by the command of King James of ever blessed memorie. VVith an answer to such exceptions as A.C. takes against it. By the sayd Most Reverend Father in God, William, Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterbury.	Laud, William, 1573-1645.	1639 (1639)	STC 15298; ESTC S113162	390,425	418

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authoritate_fw-la munitam_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la mutari_fw-la s._n hicron_n l._n 3._o apol._n contra_fw-la ruffinum_fw-la tom._n 2._o edit_fw-la paris_n 1534._o sol_fw-la 84._o k._n peradventure_o it_o be_v here_o to_o be_v read_v &_o jam_fw-la si_fw-la for_o so_o the_o place_n be_v more_o plain_a and_o more_o strong_a but_o the_o answer_n be_v the_o same_o his_o word_n be_v the_o roman_a faith_n commend_v by_o the_o apostle_n admit_v not_o such_o praestigia'_v deceit_n and_o delusion_n into_o it_o though_o a_o angel_n shall_v preach_v it_o otherwise_o than_o it_o be_v preach_v at_o first_o and_z be_v arm_v and_o fence_v by_o s._n paul_n authority_n can_v be_v change_v where_o first_o i_o will_v not_o doubt_v but_o that_o s._n jerome_n speak_v here_o of_o the_o faith_n for_o the_o praestigiae_fw-la here_o mention_v be_v afterward_o more_o plain_o express_v for_o he_o tell_v we_o after_o k._n after_o deinde_fw-la ut_fw-la epistolas_fw-la contra_fw-la te_fw-la ad_fw-la orientem_fw-la mitteret_fw-la &_o cauterium_fw-la tibi_fw-la haereseó_n inureret_fw-la diceretque_fw-la libros_fw-la origenis_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d à_fw-la te_fw-la translatos_fw-la &_o simplici_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la romanae_fw-la plebi_fw-la traditos_fw-la ut_fw-la fidei_fw-la veritatem_fw-la quam_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolo_n didicerant_fw-la per_fw-la te_fw-la perderent_fw-la s._n hicron_n ibid._n fol._n 85._o k._n that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n have_v send_v letter_n into_o the_o east_n and_o charge_v heresy_n upon_o ruffinus_n and_o far_o that_o origen_n book_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v translate_v by_o he_o and_o deliver_v to_o the_o simple_a people_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o by_o his_o mean_n they_o may_v loose_v the_o verity_n of_o the_o faith_n which_o they_o have_v learn_v from_o the_o apostle_n therefore_o the_o praestigiae_fw-la before_o mention_v be_v the_o cunning_a illusion_n of_o ruffinus_n put_v origen_n book_n under_o the_o martyr_n pamphilus_n his_o name_n that_o so_o he_o may_v bring_v in_o heresy_n the_o more_o cunning_o under_o a_o name_n of_o credit_n and_o the_o more_o easy_o pervert_v the_o people_n faith_n so_o of_o the_o faith_n he_o speak_v and_o second_o i_o shall_v as_o easy_o confess_v that_o s._n ierome_n speech_n be_v most_o true_a but_o i_o can_v admit_v the_o cardinal_n sense_n of_o it_o for_o he_o impose_v upon_o the_o word_n fides_n for_o by_o romana_n fides_n the_o roman_a faith_n he_o will_v understand_v the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v romanos_fw-la fideles_fw-la the_o faithful_a of_o that_o church_n and_o that_o no_o wily_a delusion_n or_o cozenage_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n can_v be_v impose_v upon_o they_o now_o hereupon_o i_o return_v to_o that_o of_o s._n cyprian_a if_o fides_n romana_n must_v signify_v fideles_fw-la romanos_fw-la why_o may_v not_o perfidia_fw-la before_o signify_v perfidos_fw-la especial_o since_o these_o two_o word_n 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est_fw-la what_o we_o please_v shall_v be_v the_o author_n meaning_n perfidia_fw-la must_v signify_v absolute_o error_n in_o faith_n or_o misbelief_n but_o fides_n must_v relate_v to_o the_o person_n and_o signify_v the_o faithful_a of_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o now_o i_o conceive_v my_o answer_n will_v proceed_v with_o a_o great_a deal_n of_o reason_n for_o romana_n fides_n the_o roman_a faith_n as_o it_o be_v commend_v by_o the_o apostle_n of_o which_o s._n jerome_n speak_v be_v one_o thing_n and_o the_o particular_a roman_a church_n of_o which_o the_o cardinal_n speak_v be_v another_o the_o faith_n indeed_o admit_v not_o praestigias_fw-la wily_a delusion_n into_o it_o if_o it_o do_v it_o can_v not_o be_v the_o whole_a and_o undefiled_a faith_n of_o christ_n which_o they_o learn_v from_o the_o apostle_n and_o which_o be_v so_o fence_v by_o apostolical_a authority_n as_o that_o it_o can_v be_v change_v though_o a_o angel_n shall_v preach_v the_o contrary_n but_o the_o particular_a 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particular_a church_n it_o may_v receive_v a_o change_n and_o in_o the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n it_o have_v receive_v a_o change_n and_o you_o see_v s._n hierome_n himself_o confess_v that_o the_o pope_n himself_o be_v afraid_a suprà_fw-la afraid_a ne_fw-fr fidei_fw-la veritatem_fw-la quam_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolo_n didicerant_fw-la per_fw-la te_fw-la perderent_fw-la ut_fw-la suprà_fw-la ne_fw-la perderent_fw-la lest_o by_o this_o art_n of_o ruffinus_n the_o people_n may_v loose_v the_o verity_n of_o the_o faith_n now_o that_o which_o can_v be_v lose_v can_v be_v change_v for_o usual_o habit_n begin_v to_o alter_v before_o they_o be_v quite_o lose_v and_o that_o which_o may_v be_v lose_v among_o the_o people_n may_v be_v lose_v among_o the_o bishop_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o clergy_n too_o if_o they_o look_v not_o to_o it_o as_o it_o seem_v they_o after_o do_v not_o at_o rome_n though_o then_o they_o do_v nay_o at_o this_o time_n the_o whole_a roman_a church_n be_v in_o danger_n enough_o to_o swallow_v origen_n book_n and_o all_o the_o error_n in_o it_o come_v under_o the_o name_n of_o pamphilus_n and_o so_o s._n jerome_n himself_o express_o and_o close_o upon_o the_o place_n cite_v by_o bellarmine_n for_o he_o desire_v k._n desire_v muta_fw-la titulum_fw-la &_o romanam_fw-la simplicitatem_fw-la tanto_fw-la periculo_fw-la libera_fw-la ibid._n fol._n 84._o k._n ruffinus_n to_o change_v the_o title_n of_o the_o book_n that_o error_n may_v not_o be_v spread_v under_o the_o specious_a name_n of_o pamphilus_n and_o so_o to_o free_v from_o danger_n the_o roman_a simplicity_n where_o by_o the_o way_n roman_a unerring_a power_n now_o challenge_v and_o roman_a simplicity_n then_o fear_v agree_v not_o very_o well_o together_o 3._o the_o three_o father_n allege_v by_o bellarmine_n be_v 1609._o be_v uetus_fw-la roma_fw-la ab_fw-la antiquis_fw-la temporibus_fw-la habet_fw-la rectam_fw-la fidem_fw-la &_o semper_fw-la eam_fw-la retinet_fw-la sicut_fw-la decet_fw-la urbem_fw-la quae_fw-la toti_fw-la orbt_n pr●…sidet_fw-la semper_fw-la de_fw-la deo_fw-la integram_fw-la fidem_fw-la habere_fw-la greg._n naz._n in_o carmine_fw-la de_fw-la vità_fw-la suà_fw-la ante_fw-la medium_n p._n 9_o edit_fw-la

paris_n 1609._o s._n gregory_n nazianzen_n and_o his_o word_n be_v that_o ancient_a rome_n from_o of_o old_a have_v the_o right_a faith_n and_o always_o hold_v it_o as_o become_v the_o city_n which_o be_v governess_n over_o the_o whole_a world_n to_o have_v a_o entire_a faith_n in_o and_o concern_v god_n now_o certain_o it_o become_v that_o city_n very_o well_o to_o keep_v the_o faith_n sound_n and_o entire_a and_o have_v the_o government_n of_o a_o great_a part_n of_o the_o world_n then_o in_o her_o power_n it_o become_v she_o so_o much_o the_o more_o as_o her_o example_n thereby_o be_v the_o great_a and_o in_o s._n gregory_n nazianzen_n time_n rome_n do_v certain_o hold_v both_o rectam_fw-la &_o integram_fw-la fidem_fw-la the_o right_a and_o the_o whole_a entire_a faith_n of_o christ._n but_o there_o be_v nor_o promise_n nor_o prophecy_n in_o s._n gregory_n that_o rome_n shall_v ever_o so_o do_v for_o his_o word_n be_v plain_a semper_fw-la decet_fw-la it_o always_o become_v that_o great_a city_n to_o have_v and_o to_o hold_v too_o integram_fw-la fidem_fw-la the_o entire_a faith_n but_o at_o the_o other_o semper_fw-la it_o be_v nothing_o be_v the_o word_n in_o the_o greek_a be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d haec_fw-la quidem_fw-la fuit_fw-la diu_fw-la &_o nunc_fw-la adhuc_fw-la est_fw-la recti_fw-la grada_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d est_fw-la so_o s._n gregory_n say_v but_o of_o a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o a_o retinebit_fw-la he_o say_v nothing_o retinet_fw-la that_o city_n from_o of_o old_a hold_v the_o right_a faith_n yet_o but_o he_o say_v not_o retinebit_fw-la semper_fw-la that_o the_o city_n of_o rome_n shall_v retain_v it_o ever_o no_o more_o than_o it_o shall_v ever_o retain_v the_o empire_n of_o the_o world_n now_o it_o must_v be_v assure_v that_o it_o shall_v ever_o hold_v the_o entire_a faith_n of_o christ_n before_o we_o can_v be_v assure_v that_o that_o particular_a church_n can_v never_o err_v or_o be_v infallible_a beside_o these_o the_o cardinal_n name_v cyrillus_n and_o ruffinus_n but_o he_o neither_o tell_v we_o where_o nor_o cite_v their_o word_n yet_o i_o think_v i_o have_v find_v the_o most_o pregnant_a place_n in_o s_n 1604._o s_n petram_fw-la opinor_fw-la per_fw-la agnominationem_fw-la nihil_fw-la aliud_fw-la quàm_fw-la inconcustam_fw-la &_o firmissimam_fw-la discipuli_fw-la fidem_fw-la vocavit_fw-la in_o quà_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la christi_fw-la ita_fw-la fundata_fw-la &_o firmata_fw-la esset_fw-la ut_fw-la non_fw-la laberetur_fw-la &_o esset_fw-la inexpugnabilis_fw-la inferorum_fw-la portis_fw-la in_o perpetuu●…_n manens_fw-la s._n cyril_n alex._n dial._n de_fw-fr trin._n l._n 4._o p._n 278._o parisiis_fw-la an._n 1604._o cyril_n and_o that_o make_v clear_o against_o he_o for_o i_o find_v express_o these_o three_o thing_n first_o that_o the_o church_n be_v inexpugnable_a and_o that_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v never_o prevail_v against_o it_o but_o that_o it_o shall_v in_o perpetuum_fw-la manere_fw-la remain_v for_o ever_o and_o this_o all_o protestant_n grant_v but_o this_o that_o it_o shall_v not_o fall_v away_o do_v not_o secure_v it_o fromall_a kind_n oferror_n second_o bellarmine_n quote_v s._n cyril_n for_o the_o particular_a roman_a church_n and_o s._n cyril_n speak_v not_o of_o the_o roman_a at_o all_o but_o of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n that_o be_v the_o catholic_a church_n three_o that_o the_o foundation_n and_o firmness_n which_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n have_v be_v place_v not_o in_o or_o upon_o the_o ibid._n the_o et_fw-la ego_fw-la dico_fw-la tibi_fw-la i._n tuus_fw-la confessioni_fw-la quâ_fw-la mihi_fw-la di●…isti_fw-la tu_fw-la es_fw-la christus_fw-la etc._n etc._n dion_n carthus_n in_o s._n mat._n 16._o 18._o et_fw-la super_fw-la hanc_fw-la petram_fw-la i._n fidei_fw-la huius_fw-la sirmitatem_fw-la &_o fundamentum_fw-la well_fw-mi super_fw-la hanc_fw-la petram_fw-la quam_fw-la confessus_fw-la es_fw-la i._o super_fw-la meipsum_fw-la lapidem_fw-la angularem_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n person_n much_o less_o the_o successor_n of_o s._n peter_n but_o upon_o the_o *_o faith_n which_o by_o god_n spirit_n in_o he_o he_o so_o firm_o profess_v which_o be_v the_o common_a receive_v opinion_n both_o of_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o the_o protestant_n upon_o this_o rock_n that_o be_v upon_o this_o faith_n will_v i_o build_v my_o church_n s._n matth._n 16._o so_o here_o be_v all_o the_o good_a he_o have_v get_v 18._o s._n matt._n 16._o 18._o by_o s._n cyril_n unless_o he_o can_v cite_v some_o other_o place_n of_o s._n cyril_n which_o i_o believe_v he_o can_v and_o for_o ruffinus_n the_o place_n which_o bellarmine_n aim_v at_o be_v in_o his_o exposition_n upon_o the_o creed_n and_o be_v quote_v in_o part_n the_o penult_n the_o bellar._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n cap._n 3._o §._o penult_n chapter_n before_o but_o when_o all_o his_o word_n shall_v be_v lay_v together_o they_o will_v make_v no_o more_o for_o bellarmine_n and_o his_o cause_n than_o the_o former_a place_n have_v do_v expos._n do_v illud_fw-la non_fw-la importunè_fw-la commonendum_fw-la puto_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o diversis_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la aliqua_fw-la in_o his_o verbis_fw-la inveniunt_fw-la ur_fw-la adjecta_fw-la in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la tamen_fw-la vrbis_fw-la romae_fw-la hoc_fw-la non_fw-la deprehenditur_fw-la factum_fw-la pro_fw-la eo_fw-la arbritror_fw-la quod_fw-la neque_fw-la haeresis_fw-la ulla_fw-la illic_fw-la sumpsit_fw-la exordium_n &_o mos_fw-la ibi_fw-la servatur_fw-la antiquus_fw-la eos_fw-la qui_fw-la gratiam_fw-la baptismi_fw-la suscepturi_fw-la sunt_fw-la publicò_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la fidelium_fw-la populo_fw-la audiente_fw-la symbolum_n reddere_fw-la et_fw-la utique_fw-la adjectionem_fw-la unius_fw-la saltem_fw-la sermonis_fw-la eorum_fw-la qui_fw-la praecesserunt_fw-la in_o fide_fw-la non_fw-la admittit_fw-la auditus_fw-la in_o caeteris_fw-la autem_fw-la locis_fw-la quantum_fw-la intelligi_fw-la datur_fw-la propter_fw-la nonnullos_fw-la haereticos_fw-la addita_fw-la quaedam_fw-la videntur_fw-la per_fw-la quae_fw-la novellae_fw-la doctrinae_fw-la sensus_fw-la crederetur_fw-la excludi_fw-la etc._n etc._n ruffin_n in_o exposit._n symbol_n ut_fw-la habetur_fw-la inter_fw-la opera_fw-la s._n cypriani_fw-la praefat._n expos._n ruffinus_n his_o word_n then_o run_v thus_o before_o i_o come_v to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o creed_n this_o i_o think_v fit_a to_o warn_v you_o of_o that_o in_o divers_a church_n some_o thing_n be_v find_v add_v to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o creed_n but_o in_o the_o church_n of_o the_o city_n of_o rome_n this_o be_v not_o find_v do_v and_o as_o i_o think_v it_o be_v for_o that_o no_o heresy_n do_v take_v its_o rise_n or_o beginning_n there_o and_o for_o that_o the_o old_a custom_n be_v there_o observe_v namely_o that_o they_o which_o be_v to_o receive_v the_o grace_n of_o baptism_n do_v public_o repeat_v the_o creed_n in_o the_o hear_n of_o the_o people_n who_o will_v not_o admit_v such_o addition_n but_o in_o other_o place_n as_o far_o as_o i_o can_v understand_v by_o reason_n of_o some_o heretic_n some_o thing_n be_v add_v but_o such_o as_o be_v to_o exclude_v the_o sense_n of_o their_o novel_a doctrine_n now_o these_o word_n make_v little_a for_o bellarmine_n who_o cite_v they_o and_o much_o against_o ruffinus_n that_o utter_v they_o they_o make_v little_a for_o bellarmine_n first_o because_o suppose_v ruffinus_n his_o speech_n to_o be_v true_a yet_o this_o will_v never_o follow_v in_o ruffinus_n his_o time_n no_o heresy_n have_v take_v its_o beginning_n at_o rome_n therefore_o no_o heresy_n have_v have_v root_n there_o so_o many_o hundred_o year_n since_o second_o bellarmine_n take_v upon_o he_o there_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n can_v err_v now_o neither_o can_v this_o be_v conclude_v out_o of_o ruffinus_n his_o word_n first_o because_o as_o i_o say_v before_o to_o argue_v from_o non_fw-la sumpsit_fw-la 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the_o roman_a church_n with_o his_o colleague_n the_o transmarine_a bishop_n non_fw-la debuit_fw-la ought_v not_o usurp_v to_o himself_o this_o judgement_n which_o be_v determine_v by_o seventy_o african_a bishop_n tigisitanus_n sit_v primate_n ●…nd_v what_o will_v you_o say_v if_o he_o do_v not_o usurp_v this_o power_n for_o the_o emperor_n be_v desire_v send_v bishop_n judge_n which_o shall_v sit_v with_o he_o and_o determine_v what_o be_v just_a upon_o the_o whole_a cause_n in_o which_o passage_n there_o be_v very_o many_o thing_n observable_a as_o first_o that_o the_o roman_a prelate_n come_v not_o in_o till_o there_o be_v leave_v for_o they_o to_o go_v to_o transmarine_a bishop_n second_o that_o if_o the_o pope_n have_v come_v in_o without_o this_o leave_n it_o have_v be_v a_o usurpation_n three_o that_o when_o he_o do_v thus_o come_v in_o not_o by_o his_o own_o proper_a authority_n but_o by_o leave_n there_o be_v other_o bishop_n make_v judge_n with_o he_o four_o that_o these_o 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a_o patriarch_n there_o lie_v no_o appeal_v no_o appeal_v therefore_o every_o patriarch_n be_v alike_o supreme_a in_o his_o own_o patriarchate_n therefore_o the_o pope_n then_o have_v no_o supremacy_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n therefore_o certain_o not_o then_o receive_v as_o universal_a pastor_n and_o s._n gregory_n himself_o speak_v of_o appeal_v and_o express_o cite_v the_o law_n themselves_o say_v plain_o 54._o plain_o et_fw-la ille_fw-la scilicet_fw-la patriarcha_fw-la secundum_fw-la canon_n &_o leges_fw-la pr●…bent_fw-la finem_fw-la and_o there_o he_o cite_v the_o novel_a its_o self_n s._n greg._n l._n 11._o judict_n 6._o epist._n 54._o that_o the_o patriarch_n be_v to_o put_v a_o final_a end_n to_o those_o cause_n which_o come_v before_o he_o by_o appeal_v from_o bishop_n and_o archbishop_n but_o then_o he_o add_v ibid._n add_v si_fw-mi dictum_fw-la fu●…it_fw-la quòd_fw-la nec_fw-la metropolitanum_n habeat_fw-la nec_fw-la patriarcham_fw-la dicendum_fw-la est_fw-la quòd_fw-la à_fw-la sede_n apostolicâ_fw-la quae_fw-la omnium_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la caput_fw-la est_fw-la causa_fw-la andienda_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n greg._n ibid._n that_o where_o there_o be_v nor_o metropolitan_a nor_o patriarch_n of_o that_o diocese_n there_o they_o be_v to_o have_v recourse_n to_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a as_o be_v the_o head_n of_o all_o church_n where_o first_o this_o imply_v plain_o that_o if_o there_o be_v a_o metropolitan_a or_o a_o patriarch_n in_o those_o church_n his_o judgement_n be_v final_a and_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v no_o appeal_v to_o rome_n second_o it_o be_v as_o plain_a that_o in_o those_o ancient_a time_n of_o the_o church-government_n britain_n be_v never_o subject_a to_o the_o sea_n of_o rome_n for_o it_o be_v one_o of_o the_o 48._o the_o notitia_fw-la provinciarum_fw-la occidentalium_fw-la per_fw-la guidum_fw-la pancirolum_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 48._o six_o diocese_n of_o the_o west_n empire_n and_o have_v a_o primate_n of_o its_o own_o nay_o 1601._o nay_o hunc_fw-la cunctis_fw-la liberalium_fw-la artium_fw-la disciplinis_fw-la eruditum_fw-la pro_fw-la magistro_fw-la teneamus_fw-la &_o quasi_fw-la comparem_fw-la velut_fw-la alterius_fw-la orbis_n apostolicum_fw-la &_o patriarcham_fw-la etc._n etc._n io._n capgravius_n de_fw-fr vitis_n sanctorum_fw-la in_fw-la vitâ_fw-la s._n anselmi_n et_fw-fr guil._n malmesburiens_fw-la de_fw-fr gestis_fw-la pontificum_fw-la anglorum_fw-la p._n 223._o edit_fw-la francof_n 1601._o john_n capgrave_n one_o of_o your_o own_o and_o learned_a for_o those_o time_n and_o long_o before_o he_o william_n of_o malmesburie_n tell_v we_o that_o pope_n urbane_n the_o second_o at_o the_o council_n hold_v at_o bari_n in_o apulia_n account_v my_o worthy_a predecessor_n s_o anselme_n as_o his_o own_o compeer_n and_o say_v he_o be_v as_o the_o apostolic_a and_o patriarch_n of_o the_o other_o world_n so_o he_o then_o term_v this_o island_n now_o the_o britain_n have_v a_o primate_n of_o their_o own_o which_o 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the_o roman_a empire_n which_o place_n they_o common_o call_v ibid._n call_v praterea_fw-la &_o qui_fw-la sunt_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o ba●…barico_n episcopi_fw-la à_fw-la sanctissimo_fw-la throno_fw-la sanctissima_fw-la constantinopolitanae_n ecclesia_fw-la ordinentur_fw-la codex_fw-la canonum_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la universae_fw-la can._n 206._o and_o justellus_n prove_v it_o there_o at_o large_a that_o by_o in_o barbarico_fw-la in_o that_o canon_n be_v mean_v in_o solo_n barbarorum_fw-la annot._fw-la ibid._n barbarous_a be_v all_o to_o be_v ordain_v and_o therefore_o most_o probable_a to_o be_v govern_v by_o the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n and_o for_o rome_n be_v the_o head_n of_o all_o church_n i_o have_v say_v enough_o to_o that_o in_o diverse_a part_n of_o this_o discourse_n and_o since_o i_o be_o thus_o fall_v upon_o the_o church_n of_o africa_n i_o shall_v borrow_v another_o reason_n from_o the_o practice_n of_o that_o church_n why_o by_o principatus_fw-la s._n augustine_n neither_o do_v nor_o can_v mean_v any_o principality_n of_o the_o church_n or_o bishop_n of_o rome_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ._n for_o as_o the_o act_n of_o counsel_n and_o story_n go_v the_o african_a prelate_n find_v that_o all_o succeed_a pope_n be_v not_o of_o melciades_n his_o temper_n set_v themselves_o to_o assert_v their_o own_o liberty_n and_o hold_v it_o out_o stout_o against_o zozimus_n boniface_n the_o first_o and_o celestine_n the_o first_o who_o be_v successive_o pope_n of_o rome_n at_o last_o it_o be_v conclude_v in_o the_o sixth_o council_n of_o carthage_n wherein_o be_v assemble_v two_o hundred_o and_o seventeen_o bishop_n of_o which_o s._n augustine_n himself_o be_v one_o that_o they_o will_v not_o give_v way_n to_o such_o a_o manifest_a encroachment_n upon_o their_o right_n and_o liberty_n and_o thereupon_o give_v present_a notice_n to_o pope_n celestine_n to_o forbear_v send_v his_o officer_n among_o they_o 844._o they_o ne_fw-fr f●…mosum_fw-la typhum_fw-la seculi_fw-la in_o ecclesiam_fw-la christi_fw-la videatur_fw-la inducere_fw-la etc._n etc._n epist_n conc._n afric_n ad_fw-la papam_fw-la coelestinum_n primum_fw-la apud_fw-la nicolin_n to._n 1._o council_n p._n 844._o lest_o he_o shall_v seem_v to_o induce_v the_o swell_a pride_n of_o the_o world_n into_o

perpetuum_fw-la scripturâ_fw-la testante_fw-la errabit_fw-la quòd_fw-la rom._n pontifex_fw-la si_fw-la canonic_a è_fw-la suerit_fw-la ordinatus_fw-la meritis_fw-la b._n petri_n indubit_n an_o it_o èr_v efficitur_fw-la sanctus_fw-la quòd_fw-la à_fw-la fidelitate_fw-la iniquorum_fw-la subditos_fw-la potest_fw-la absolvere_fw-la gregory_n the_o seven_o in_o the_o great_a power_n which_o he_o now_o use_v in_o and_o over_o these_o part_n of_o the_o christian_a world_n three_o a._n c._n know_v it_o be_v not_o enough_o to_o say_v this_o that_o the_o pope_n be_v pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n labour_v to_o prove_v it_o and_o first_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o irenaeus_n intimate_v so_o much_o but_o he_o do_v not_o tell_v we_o where_o and_o he_o be_v '_o much_o scant_v of_o ancient_a proof_n if_o irenaeus_n stand_v alone_o beside_o irenaeus_n be_v a_o bishop_n of_o the_o gallicane_n church_n and_o a_o very_a unlikely_a man_n to_o captivate_v the_o liberty_n of_o that_o church_n under_o the_o 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incendii●…_n liberemur_fw-la in_o proprio_fw-la missarum_fw-la de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la decemb._n 6_o upon_o the_o feast_n of_o s._n nicolas_n you_o pray_v that_o god_n by_o the_o merit_n and_o prayer_n of_o s._n nicolas_n will_v deliver_v you_o from_o the_o fire_n of_o hell_n and_o upon_o the_o octave_n of_o s._n peter_n and_o s._n paul_n 6._o paul_n ut_fw-la amborum_fw-la meritis_fw-la aternitatis_fw-la gl●…riam_fw-la consequamur_fw-la i●…id_n julii_n 6._o you_o desire_v god_n that_o you_o may_v obtain_v the_o glory_n of_o eternity_n by_o their_o merit_n and_o on_o the_o 14_o the_o ejus_fw-la intercedentibus_fw-la meritis_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la nos_fw-la absolve_v peccatis_fw-la ibid._n julii_n 14_o feast_n of_o s._n bonaventure_n you_o pray_v that_o god_n will_v absolve_v you_o from_o all_o your_o sin_n by_o the_o intercede_v merit_n of_o bonaventure_n and_o for_o adoration_n of_o image_n the_o finem_fw-la the_o in_o optatus_n his_o time_n the_o christian_n be_v much_o trouble_v upon_o but_o a_o false_a report_n that_o a_o image_n be_v to_o be_v place_v upon_o the_o altar_n what_o will_v they_o have_v do_v if_o adoration_n have_v be_v command_v etc._n etc._n et_fw-la rectè_fw-la dictum_fw-la or_o at_o fi_fw-la talem_fw-la samam_fw-la similis_fw-la veritas_fw-la sequeretur_fw-la optatus_n l._n 3._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la ancient_a church_n know_v it_o not_o and_o the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v too_o like_a to_o paganism_n in_o the_o practice_n of_o it_o and_o drive_v to_o scarce_o intelligible_a subtlety_n in_o her_o servant_n write_n that_o defend_v it_o and_o this_o without_o any_o care_n have_v of_o million_o of_o soul_n unable_a to_o understand_v her_o subtlety_n or_o shun_v her_o practice_n do_v i_o say_v the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v grow_v too_o like_o paganism_n in_o this_o point_n and_o may_v this_o speech_n seem_v too_o hard_o well_o if_o it_o do_v i_o will_v give_v a_o double_a account_n of_o it_o the_o one_o be_v it_o be_v no_o harsh_a expression_n than_o they_o of_o rome_n use_n of_o the_o protestant_n and_o in_o case_n in_o which_o there_o be_v no_o show_n or_o resemblance_n for_o 8._o for_o sicut_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la cum_fw-la ethnitis_n idela_n colere_fw-la becan_n l._n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la haret_fw-la fer●…anda_fw-la c._n 8._o becanus_n tell_v we_o it_o be_v no_o more_o lawful_a to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n as_o the_o calvinist_n receive_v it_o then_o it_o be_v to_o worship_v idol_n with_o the_o ethnic_n and_o gregory_n de_fw-fr valentia_n enlarge_v it_o to_o more_o point_n than_o one_o but_o with_o no_o more_o truth_n the_o sectary_n of_o our_o time_n 3._o time_n contingit_fw-la aliquando_fw-la hareticos_fw-la circa_fw-la plura_fw-la errare_fw-la quam_fw-la gentiles_n ut_fw-la manichaos_n inquit_fw-la thomas_n quòd_fw-la nos_fw-la possumus_fw-la ver●…_n dicere_fw-la de_fw-la nostri_fw-la temporis_fw-la sectariis_fw-la qui_fw-la culpabiliter_fw-la in_o pluribus_fw-la videntur_fw-la errare_fw-la valentia_n in_o 2._o 2_o ae_z disp._n 1_o q._n 10._o puncto_fw-la 3._o say_v he_o seem_v to_o err_v culpable_o in_o more_o thing_n than_o the_o gentile_n this_o be_v easy_o say_v but_o here_o be_v no_o proof_n nor_o shall_v i_o hold_v it_o a_o sufficient_a warrant_n for_o i_o to_o sour_a my_o language_n because_o these_o man_n have_v dip_v their_o pen_n in_o gall._n the_o other_o account_n therefore_o which_o i_o shall_v give_v of_o this_o speech_n shall_v come_v vouch_v both_o by_o authority_n and_o reason_n and_o first_o for_o authority_n i_o can_v set_v lu●…o_o vicus_fw-la vives_z against_o becanus_n if_o i_o will_v who_o lay_v express_o that_o the_o make_n of_o feast_n at_o the_o oratory_n of_o the_o martyr_n which_o 27._o which_o quod_fw-la quidem_fw-la à_fw-la christianis_fw-la melioribus_fw-la non_fw-la sit_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 8._o de_fw-la civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 27._o s._n augustine_n tell_v we_o the_o best_a christian_n practise_v not_o be_v a_o kind_n of_o ibid._n of_o illae_fw-la quasi_fw-la parentalia_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la gentilium_fw-la simillima_fw-la lud_n vives_z ibid._n parentalia_fw-la funeral_n feast_n too_o much_o resemble_v the_o superstition_n of_o the_o gentile_n nay_o vives_z need_v not_o say_v resemble_v that_o superstition_n since_o 12._o since_o quod_fw-la ergo_fw-la mortuis_fw-la litabatur_fw-la utique_fw-la parentationi_fw-la deput_fw-la abatur_fw-la quae_fw-la species_n proinde_fw-la idololatri●…_n est_fw-la quoniam_fw-la &_o idololatria_fw-la parentationis_fw-la est_fw-la species_n tertull._n l._n de_fw-la spectaculis_fw-la c._n 12._o tertullian_n tell_v we_o plain_o that_o idolatry_n itself_o be_v but_o a_o kind_n of_o parentation_n and_o vives_z die_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v a_o better_a testimony_n against_o you_o than_o becanus_n or_o valentia_n be_v bitter_a enemy_n to_o our_o communion_n can_v be_v against_o we_o but_o i_o will_v come_v near_o home_n to_o you_o and_o prove_v it_o by_o more_o of_o your_o own_o for_o ibid._n for_o manifestius_fw-la est_fw-la quàm_fw-la ut_fw-la multis_fw-la verbis_fw-la explicari_fw-la debeat_fw-la imaginum_fw-la &_o simulachrorum_fw-la cultum_fw-la nimiùm_fw-la invaluisse_fw-la &_o affectioni_fw-la seu_fw-la potiùs_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la populi_fw-la

plus_fw-la satis_fw-la indultum_fw-la esse_fw-la it_o à_fw-la ut_fw-la ad_fw-la summam_fw-la ador_n ationem_fw-la qua_fw-la vel_fw-la à_fw-la paganis_fw-la suis_fw-la simulacris_fw-la exhiberi_fw-la consuevit_fw-la etc._n etc._n cassand_n consult_v art_n 21._o c._n de_fw-fr imaginibus_fw-la where_o he_o name_v diverse_a of_o your_o own_o as_o namely_o durantus_n mimatensis_n episcopus_fw-la john_n billet_v gerson_n durand_n holkot_n and_o biel_n reject_v the_o opinion_n of_o thomas_n and_o other_o superstition_n concern_v image_n ibid._n cassander_n who_o live_v and_o die_v in_o your_o communion_n say_v it_o express_o that_o in_o this_o present_a case_n of_o the_o adoration_n of_o image_n you_o come_v full_a home_n to_o the_o superstition_n of_o the_o heathen_a and_o second_o for_o reason_n i_o have_v i_o think_v too_o much_o to_o give_v that_o the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v grow_v too_o like_a to_o paganism_n in_o this_o point_n for_o the_o invocat_n the_o non_fw-la quod_fw-la credatur_fw-la inesse_fw-la aliqua_fw-la in_o iis_fw-la divinitas_fw-la &_o veluti_fw-la olim_fw-la fiebat_fw-la à_fw-la gentibu●…_n conc._n trid._n sess._n 25._o decret_n de_fw-fr invocat_n council_n of_o trent_n itself_o confess_v that_o to_o believe_v there_o be_v any_o divinity_n in_o image_n be_v to_o do_v as_o the_o gentile_n do_v by_o their_o idol_n and_o though_o in_o some_o word_n afterthe_a father_n of_o that_o council_n seem_v very_o religious_o careful_a that_o all_o ibid._n all_o et_fw-la rudibus_fw-la periculosi_fw-la erroris_fw-la occasionem_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n occasion_n of_o dangerous_a error_n be_v prevent_v yet_o the_o doctrine_n itself_o be_v so_o full_a of_o danger_n that_o it_o work_v strong_o both_o upon_o the_o learned_a and_o unlearned_a to_o the_o scandal_n of_o religion_n and_o the_o pervert_n of_o truth_n for_o the_o unlearned_a first_o how_o it_o work_v upon_o they_o by_o whole_a country_n together_o you_o may_v see_v by_o what_o happen_v in_o asturia_n cantabria_n galetia_n no_o small_a part_n of_o spain_n for_o there_o the_o people_n so_o 3._o so_o et_fw-fr ade●…_n gens_n affe●…a_fw-la est_fw-la truncis_fw-la corrosis_fw-la &_o deformibus_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la ut_fw-la i_o testae_fw-la quotres_fw-la episcopi_fw-la decentiores_fw-la ponere_fw-la jubent_fw-la veteres_fw-la svas_fw-la petant_fw-la plorantes_fw-la &c_n &c_n hieton_n 〈◊〉_d summa_fw-la p._n 3._o c._n 3._o he_o tell_v i_o that_o be_v a_o eye_n witness_n and_o that_o since_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n be_v so_o addict_v to_o their_o worm_n eat_v and_o deform_a image_n that_o when_o the_o bishop_n command_v new_a and_o handsome_a image_n to_o be_v set_v up_o in_o their_o room_n the_o poor_a people_n cry_v for_o their_o old_a will_v not_o look_v up_o to_o their_o new_a as_o if_o they_o do_v not_o represent_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o though_o he_o say_v this_o be_v by_o little_a and_o little_o amend_v yet_o i_o believe_v there_o be_v very_o little_a amendment_n and_o it_o work_v upon_o the_o learned_a too_o more_o than_o it_o shall_v for_o it_o wrought_v so_o far_o upon_o lamas_n himself_o who_o bemoan_v the_o former_a passage_n as_o that_o he_o deliver_v this_o doctrine_n ibid._n doctrine_n imagine_v christi_n &_o s_o matris_fw-la ejus_fw-la &_o sanctorum_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la venerandae_fw-la acsi_fw-la in_o ipsis_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la esset_fw-la divinitas_fw-la secundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la sunt_fw-la materia_fw-la arte_fw-la essigiata_fw-la &_o non_fw-la secundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la repraesentant_fw-la christum_fw-la &_o sanctos_fw-la etc._n etc._n sic_fw-la enim_fw-la adorare_fw-la vel_fw-la petere_fw-la aliquid_fw-la ab_fw-la iis_fw-la esset_fw-la idolola●…_n tria_fw-la lamas_n ibid._n that_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n the_o bless_a virgin_n and_o the_o saint_n be_v not_o to_o be_v worship_v as_o if_o there_o be_v any_o divinity_n in_o the_o image_n as_o they_o be_v material_a thing_n make_v by_o art_n but_o only_o as_o they_o represent_v christ_n and_o the_o saint_n for_o else_o it_o be_v idolatry_n so_o then_o belike_o according_a to_o the_o divinity_n of_o this_o casuist_n a_o man_n may_v worship_v image_n and_o ask_v of_o they_o and_o put_v his_o trust_n in_o they_o as_o they_o represent_v christ_n and_o the_o saint_n for_o so_o there_o be_v divinity_n in_o they_o though_o not_o as_o thing_n yet_o as_o representer_n and_o what_o i_o pray_v do_v or_o can_v any_o pagan_a priest_n say_v more_o than_o this_o for_o the_o proposition_n resolve_v be_v this_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o saint_n as_o they_o represent_v their_o exemplar_n have_v deity_n or_o divinity_n in_o they_o and_o now_o i_o pray_v a._n c._n do_v you_o be_v judge_n whether_o this_o proposition_n do_v not_o teach_v idolatry_n and_o whether_o the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o grow_v too_o like_a to_o paganism_n in_o this_o point_n for_o my_o own_o part_n i_o hearty_o wish_v it_o be_v not_o and_o that_o man_n of_o learning_n will_v not_o strain_v their_o wit_n to_o spoil_v the_o truth_n and_o rend_v the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n by_o such_o dangerous_a such_o superstitious_a vanity_n for_o better_a they_o be_v not_o but_o they_o may_v be_v worse_o nay_o these_o and_z their_z like_o have_v give_v so_o great_a a_o scandal_n among_o we_o to_o some_o ignorant_a though_o i_o presume_v well_o mean_v man_n that_o they_o be_v afraid_a to_o testify_v their_o duty_n to_o god_n even_o in_o mil._n quis_fw-la ferat_fw-la populum_fw-la in_o templum_fw-la irruentem_fw-la c●…ù_fw-fr in_o haran_a sue_v certain_o non_fw-la obsunt_fw-la populo_fw-la ceremoniae_fw-la sed_fw-la prosunt_fw-la si_fw-la modus_fw-la in_o c●…_n servetur_fw-la &_o cauca●…_n nè_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d loco_fw-la habeantur_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la ne_fw-la praecipuam_fw-la pictatem_fw-la in_o illis_fw-la collocemus_fw-la rhen._n annot_fw-mi in_o tertul._n de_fw-fr cor._n mil._n his_o own_o house_n by_o any_o outward_a gesture_n at_o all_o in_o so_o much_o that_o those_o very_a ceremony_n which_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o godly_a and_o learned_a man_n have_v now_o long_o continue_v in_o the_o practice_n of_o this_o church_n suffer_v hard_a measure_n for_o the_o romish_a superstition_n sake_n but_o i_o will_v conclude_v this_o point_n with_o the_o say_n of_o b._n rhenanus_fw-la who_o can_v endure_v the_o people_n say_v he_o rush_v into_o the_o church_n like_o swine_n into_o a_o sty_n doubtless_o ceremony_n do_v not_o hurt_v the_o people_n but_o profit_v they_o so_o there_o be_v a_o mean_v keep_v and_o the_o by_o be_v not_o put_v for_o the_o main_n that_o be_v so_o we_o place_v not_o the_o principal_a part_n of_o our_o piety_n in_o they_o the_o conference_n grow_v to_o a_o end_n and_o i_o must_v meet_v it_o again_o ere_o we_o part_v for_o you_o say_v f._n after_o this_o we_o all_o rise_a the_o lady_n ask_v the_o b._n whether_o she_o may_v be_v save_v in_o the_o roman_a faith_n he_o answer_v she_o may_v b._n what_o not_o one_o pelagianos_fw-la one_o cave_fw-la nè_fw-la dum_fw-la vis_fw-la alium_fw-la not_z be_v culpae_fw-la ipse_fw-la noteris_fw-la calumniae_fw-la s._n h●…er_n l._n 3._o advers._fw-la pelagianos_fw-la answer_n perfect_o relate_v §_o 34_o my_o answer_n to_o this_o be_v general_n for_o the_o ignorant_a that_o can_v not_o discern_v the_o error_n of_o that_o church_n so_o they_o hold_v the_o foundation_n and_o conform_v themselves_o to_o a_o religious_a life_n but_o why_o do_v you_o not_o speak_v out_o what_o i_o add_v in_o this_o particular_a that_o it_o must_v needs_o go_v hard_a with_o the_o lady_n even_o in_o point_n of_o salvation_n because_o she_o have_v be_v bring_v to_o understand_v very_o much_o for_o one_o of_o her_o condition_n in_o these_o controvert_v cause_n of_o religion_n and_o a_o person_n that_o come_v to_o know_v much_o have_v need_v careful_o bethink_v himself_o that_o he_o oppose_v not_o know_v truth_n against_o the_o church_n that_o make_v he_o a_o christian._n for_o salvation_n may_v be_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o yet_o they_o not_o find_v it_o that_o make_v sure_a of_o it_o here_o a._n c._n be_v as_o confident_a as_o 64._o a._n c._n p._n 64._o the_o jesuite_n himself_o that_o i_o say_v express_o that_o the_o lady_n may_v be_v save_v in_o the_o roman_a faith_n true_o it_o be_v too_o long_a since_o now_o for_o i_o to_o speak_v any_o more_o than_o i_o have_v already_o upon_o my_o memory_n but_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a of_o that_o whatsoever_o i_o say_v of_o she_o be_v it_o never_o so_o particular_a yet_o be_v it_o under_o the_o condition_n before_o express_v f._n i_o bid_v she_o mark_v that_o b._n this_o answer_n i_o be_o sure_a trouble_v not_o §_o 35_o you_o but_o it_o seem_v you_o will_v fain_o have_v it_o lay_v a_o load_n of_o envy_n upon_o i_o that_o you_o profess_v you_o bad_a the_o lady_n so_o careful_o mark_v that_o well_o you_o bid_v her_o mark_n that_o for_o what_o for_o some_o great_a matter_n or_o 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