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other_o but_o all_o shall_v not_o pass_v through_o purgatory_n by_o their_o own_o confession_n they_o be_v drive_v to_o this_o shift_n to_o grant_v that_o vers_n 13._o the_o fire_n be_v take_v in_o one_o sense_n namely_o for_o the_o sentence_n and_o judgement_n of_o god_n and_o vers_fw-la 15._o in_o another_o that_o be_v for_o the_o flame_n of_o purgatory_n but_o who_o see_v not_o how_o absurd_a a_o thing_n this_o be_v that_o in_o a_o allegory_n the_o same_o word_n and_o in_o the_o same_o place_n shall_v be_v so_o diverse_o take_v three_o the_o day_n shall_v reveal_v it_o that_o be_v say_v bellarmine_n the_o day_n of_o the_o lord_n at_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n the_o rhemist_n understand_v the_o particular_a day_n of_o every_o man_n death_n so_o well_o they_o agree_v together_o but_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o this_o be_v the_o meaning_n that_o the_o day_n that_o be_v the_o time_n shall_v declare_v it_o for_o god_n have_v appoint_v a_o time_n to_o examine_v every_o man_n doctrine_n 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be_v adore_v and_o thus_o it_o be_v lawful_a profitable_a and_o expedient_a for_o the_o church_n to_o canonize_v saint_n bellarm._n cap._n 7._o argum._n 1._o the_o patriarch_n and_o prophet_n be_v canonize_v for_o saint_n in_o the_o old_a law_n heb._n 11._o so_o act._n 7._o stephen_n &_o other_o be_v canonize_v therefore_o it_o be_v credible_a that_o the_o lord_n will_v have_v the_o same_o order_n still_o continue_v in_o his_o church_n bellarm._n cap._n 7._o ans._n first_o neither_o in_o the_o old_a nor_o the_o new_a law_n be_v any_o set_v up_o to_o be_v saint_n with_o intent_n to_o be_v worship_v call_v upon_o temple_n to_o be_v consecrate_v in_o their_o name_n but_o only_o the_o scripture_n give_v testimony_n of_o they_o as_o of_o holy_a and_o faithful_a man_n and_o so_o may_v we_o also_o honour_v the_o bless_a martyr_n who_o the_o cruel_a emperor_n of_o rome_n and_o since_o they_o the_o pope_n of_o rome_n have_v send_v through_o fire_n and_o other_o torment_n to_o heaven_n second_o 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another_o man_n servant_n he_o stand_v or_o fall_v to_o his_o own_o master_n rom._n 14.4_o no_o man_n can_v judge_v whether_o the_o servant_n stand_v or_o fall_v but_o his_o master_n ergo_fw-la if_o the_o church_n presume_v to_o determine_v of_o the_o election_n or_o damnation_n of_o those_o that_o be_v depart_v she_o be_v now_o a_o mistress_n and_o lady_n rather_o of_o the_o saint_n than_o they_o lord_n or_o patroness_n to_o she_o as_o the_o papist_n hold_v they_o be_v argum._n 2_o judge_v not_o say_v s._n paul_n 1._o corinth_n 4.5_o before_o the_o time_n until_o the_o lord_n come_v the_o judgement_n then_o of_o man_n who_o be_v save_v and_o who_o be_v condemn_v be_v reserve_v for_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n therefore_o it_o be_v great_a presumption_n for_o man_n to_o prevent_v the_o time_n and_o to_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o be_v judge_n in_o god_n place_n again_o our_o saviour_n christ_n say_v that_o to_o sit_v at_o his_o right_a hand_n or_o leave_v in_o his_o kingdom_n be_v not_o he_o to_o give_v mean_v as_o he_o be_v man_n but_o it_o shall_v be_v give_v to_o they_o for_o who_o it_o be_v prepare_v of_o my_o father_n math._n 20.23_o how_o then_o be_v it_o in_o the_o power_n of_o any_o sinful_a man_n to_o give_v unto_o any_o a_o seat_n either_o at_o the_o right_a hand_n or_o leave_v hand_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n argument_n gualther_n bruti_fw-la fox_n page_n 487._o augustine_n also_o consent_v non_fw-la separatio_fw-la iam_fw-la cuique_fw-la tuta_fw-la est_fw-la illius_fw-la erit_fw-la separatio_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la novit_fw-la errare_fw-la nos_fw-la in_o hac_fw-la vita_fw-la difficile_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la nos_fw-la ipsos_fw-la noverimus_fw-la quantò_fw-la minùs_fw-la debemus_fw-la de_fw-la quoquam_fw-la praeproperam_fw-la far_o sententiam_fw-la it_o be_v not_o safe_a for_o man_n now_o to_o make_v separation_n of_o the_o good_a and_o bad_a it_o belong_v to_o he_o that_o can_v not_o err_v we_o in_o this_o life_n do_v hardly_o know_v ourselves_o how_o much_o less_o ought_v we_o to_o judge_v rash_o of_o other_o expose_o in_o psalm_n 139._o here_o be_v two_o reason_n give_v why_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o man_n to_o judge_v of_o the_o election_n or_o reprobation_n of_o man_n first_o their_o judgement_n be_v subject_a to_o error_n and_o therefore_o the_o matter_n must_v be_v refer_v to_o god_n who_o err_v not_o second_o we_o can_v not_o judge_v ourselves_o much_o less_o can_v we_o judge_v of_o other_o ergo_fw-la no_o man_n live_v ought_v or_o be_v able_a to_o define_v either_o who_o be_v saint_n in_o heaven_n or_o who_o be_v damn_v in_o hell_n a_o appendix_n or_o three_o part_n of_o other_o circumstance_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o canonise_a of_o saint_n the_o papist_n they_o say_v that_o it_o do_v appertain_v only_o to_o the_o pope_n to_o canonize_v a_o saint_n for_o error_n 24_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o that_o none_o ought_v to_o be_v acknowledge_v for_o saint_n but_o they_o that_o be_v so_o canonize_v by_o he_o and_o that_o herein_o the_o pope_n be_v of_o so_o infallible_a a_o judgement_n that_o he_o can_v not_o err_v in_o canonise_a of_o saint_n because_o that_o ordinary_o none_o be_v canonize_v by_o the_o pope_n for_o saint_n which_o have_v not_o be_v know_v to_o work_v miracle_n bellarm._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 8.9_o 10._o the_o protestant_n first_o if_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v register_v and_o canonize_v as_o they_o say_v yet_o it_o shall_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o pope_n but_o to_o the_o whole_a church_n argum._n 1_o the_o pope_n have_v no_o authority_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n no_o nor_o yet_o in_o any_o other_o bishop_n diocese_n no_o more_o than_o they_o have_v in_o he_o let_v he_o be_v content_a with_o his_o own_o diocese_n and_o it_o be_v to_o be_v wish_v that_o he_o can_v rule_v that_o well_o the_o whole_a world_n be_v too_o large_a a_o province_n for_o he_o 2_o the_o whole_a church_n have_v power_n to_o excommunicate_v and_o deliver_v up_o to_o sathan_n 1._o corinth_n 5._o 4._o and_o to_o cut_v off_o the_o profane_a and_o wicked_a from_o the_o church_n of_o god_n as_o heathen_a and_o publican_n math._n 18.17_o ergo_fw-la to_o judge_v who_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n and_o saint_n of_o god_n be_v a_o matter_n which_o appertain_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n 3_o before_o anno._n 800._o in_o the_o time_n of_o carolus_n magnus_fw-la there_o be_v no_o saint_n public_o canonize_v by_o the_o pope_n as_o bellarm._n confess_v but_o the_o truth_n be_v this_o custom_n of_o canonise_a saint_n begin_v not_o till_o more_o than_o 1000_o year_n after_o christ_n till_o alexander_n the_o 3._o his_o time_n and_o gregory_n the_o 7._o i_o pray_v you_o then_o be_v there_o no_o saint_n before_o if_o there_o be_v who_o canonize_v they_o second_o so_o much_o as_o be_v to_o be_v know_v of_o saint_n and_o holy_a man_n every_o christian_a be_v to_o acknowledge_v without_o any_o public_a decree_n or_o determination_n of_o the_o pope_n or_o any_o other_o for_o the_o word_n of_o god_n give_v rule_n whereby_o we_o may_v discern_v the_o righteous_a from_o the_o unrighteous_a christ_n speak_v of_o false_a prophet_n say_v by_o their_o fruit_n you_o shall_v know_v they_o math._n 7.16_o and_o again_o he_o faith_n thus_o to_o his_o apostle_n by_o this_o shall_v man_n know_v that_o you_o be_v my_o disciple_n if_o you_o love_v one_o another_o john_n 13.35_o by_o these_o rule_n it_o be_v easy_a for_o every_o christian_n to_o judge_v who_o for_o the_o present_a time_n be_v the_o true_a disciple_n of_o christ_n who_o otherwise_o three_o it_o be_v a_o most_o impudent_a and_o shameless_a say_n that_o the_o pope_n can_v not_o err_v in_o canonise_a of_o saint_n 1_o miracle_n be_v no_o sufficient_a proof_n of_o a_o saint_n for_o
lord_n thy_o god_n and_o he_o only_o shall_v thou_o serve_v 1._o tim._n 1.17_o to_o god_n only_o wise_a immortal_a invisible_a be_v all_o honour_n and_o glory_n ergo_fw-la all_o religious_a worship_n be_v only_o due_a unto_o god_n bellarmine_n answer_v that_o these_o place_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o a_o certain_a kind_n of_o religious_a worship_n which_o be_v only_o proper_a to_o god_n ans._n all_o religious_a worship_n be_v forbid_v in_o these_o place_n to_o be_v give_v to_o any_o but_o unto_o god_n for_o satan_n do_v not_o tempt_v christ_n to_o worship_v he_o as_o god_n but_o only_o to_o fall_v down_o and_o worship_v he_o he_o ask_v only_o of_o he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o certain_a inclination_n of_o the_o body_n which_o christ_n deni_v as_o be_v only_o proper_a to_o god_n caluini_fw-la argum_fw-la argum._n 2._o when_o cornelius_n fall_v down_o at_o peter_n foot_n and_o will_v have_v worship_v he_o he_o be_v forbid_v by_o peter_n act._n 10.25_o so_o the_o angel_n will_v not_o suffer_v john_n to_o worship_v he_o apocal._n 22._o paul_n and_o barnabas_n stay_v the_o people_n that_o will_v have_v offer_v sacrifice_n unto_o they_o act._n 14.14_o bellarm._n answer_v to_o the_o first_o that_o peter_n of_o modesty_n refuse_v the_o homage_n of_o cornelius_n ans._n peter_n give_v this_o reason_n why_o he_o will_v not_o have_v cornelius_n so_o to_o do_v i_o also_o be_o a_o man_n say_v he_o thereby_o let_v he_o to_o understand_v that_o such_o kind_n of_o worship_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v give_v to_o any_o man_n the_o same_o reason_n be_v render_v acts._n 14._o by_o paul_n &_o barnabas_n why_o they_o refuse_v sacrifice_v we_o also_o say_v they_o be_v man_n if_o peter_n do_v of_o modesty_n refuse_v cornelius_n worship_n than_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n do_v for_o modesty_n sake_n only_o likewise_o refuse_v to_o be_v sacrifice_v unto_o which_o i_o be_o sure_a they_o will_v not_o grant_v bellarm._n to_o the_o second_o say_v that_o john_n do_v well_o in_o worship_v the_o angel_n and_o the_o angel_n do_v well_o in_o refuse_v to_o be_v worship_v for_o though_o the_o angel_n of_o right_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v yet_o they_o do_v well_o to_o refuse_v it_o for_o reverence_n to_o the_o humanity_n and_o manhood_n of_o christ._n ans._n first_o let_v it_o be_v note_v that_o bellarmin_n shape_v a_o clean_a contrary_a answer_n to_o our_o rhemist_n as_o appear_v before_o count_n 8._o quaest_n 3._o part_n 1._o for_o they_o say_v that_o john_n be_v deceive_v in_o the_o person_n of_o the_o angel_n take_v he_o for_o christ_n &_o be_v forbid_v by_o the_o angel_n to_o worship_v he_o as_o god_n but_o bellarmine_n altogether_o free_v john_n from_o all_o error_n and_o commend_v his_o do_n whereas_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o john_n know_v well_o enough_o that_o he_o be_v a_o angel_n but_o be_v carry_v away_o in_o the_o ecstasy_n of_o his_o mind_n do_v for_o the_o present_a time_n forget_v himself_o and_o that_o the_o angel_n do_v not_o of_o modesty_n refuse_v to_o be_v worship_v but_o absolute_o and_o simple_o it_o be_v make_v manifest_a by_o his_o answer_n to_o john_n worship_n thou_o god_n he_o will_v not_o have_v the_o apostle_n to_o worship_v he_o but_o god_n bellarmine_n to_o the_o three_o say_v that_o the_o apostle_n do_v well_o in_o refuse_v to_o be_v sacrifice_v unto_o because_o to_o offer_v sacrifice_n be_v a_o external_a act_n of_o worship_n to_o be_v perform_v only_o to_o god_n cap._n 14._o ans._n 1._o what_o reason_n have_v they_o to_o burn_v incense_n unto_o saint_n and_o their_o image_n rather_o than_o to_o offer_v sacrifice_n for_o it_o appear_v in_o the_o law_n that_o the_o burn_a of_o incense_n be_v more_o precious_a &_o a_o more_o high_a point_n of_o the_o levitical_a service_n than_o be_v the_o offering_n of_o sacrifice_n 1._o the_o altar_n of_o incense_n be_v more_o curious_o make_v be_v overlay_v with_o fine_a gold_n and_o be_v call_v the_o golden_a altar_n the_o other_o for_o burn_a offering_n the_o brazen_a altar_n exod._n 40.26_o 2._o the_o altar_n of_o incense_n be_v place_v in_o the_o tabernacle_n near_o unto_o the_o most_o holy_a place_n the_o other_o altar_n stand_v at_o the_o door_n without_o exod._n 40.26.29_o 3._o the_o minister_n be_v diverse_a the_o priest_n offer_v sacrifice_n in_o their_o course_n but_o aaron_n only_o and_o his_o successor_n the_o high_a priest_n burn_v incense_n exod._n 30.7_o 4._o upon_o the_o brazen_a altar_n incense_n be_v offer_v with_o other_o sacrifice_n levit._fw-la 2._o but_o upon_o the_o golden_a altar_n no_o burn_a sacrifice_n or_o any_o oblation_n but_o only_a incense_n be_v offer_v unto_o god_n 5._o of_o all_o offering_n &_o oblation_n it_o most_o lively_o prefigure_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o atonement_n wrought_v by_o christ_n upon_o the_o cross_n who_o therefore_o be_v call_v by_o the_o apostle_n a_o sacrifice_n of_o sweet_a smell_a savour_n unto_o god_n ephe._n 5.2_o see_v then_o that_o the_o offering_n of_o incense_n be_v a_o more_o sovereign_a thing_n in_o the_o law_n than_o be_v the_o oblation_n of_o sacrifice_n there_o be_v small_a reason_n for_o it_o that_o our_o adversary_n shall_v reserve_v the_o less_o that_o be_v the_o offering_z of_o sacrifice_n for_o the_o lord_n and_o participate_v the_o great_a &_o more_o worthy_a service_n that_o be_v cense_v of_o odour_n &_o perfume_n unto_o saint_n as_o bellarm._n do_v cap._n 13._o ans._n 2._o if_o sacrifice_n be_v not_o then_o to_o be_v offer_v to_o saint_n much_o less_o be_v prayer_n to_o be_v make_v now_o unto_o they_o for_o to_o call_v upon_o god_n be_v a_o great_a thing_n they_o to_o offer_v sacrifice_n psal._n 50._o for_o 8.14_o if_o saint_n can_v not_o challenge_v the_o less_o that_o be_v to_o have_v sacrifice_n they_o have_v no_o right_n to_o the_o great_a namely_o to_o be_v call_v upon_o and_o pray_v unto_o last_o augustine_n say_v non_fw-la sit_fw-la nobis_fw-la religio_fw-la cultus_fw-la hominum_fw-la mortuorum_fw-la quia_fw-la si_fw-la piè_fw-la vixerunt_fw-la non_fw-la sic_fw-la habentur_fw-la ut_fw-la tale_n quaerant_fw-la honores_fw-la sed_fw-la illum_fw-la a_o nobis_fw-la coli_fw-la volunt_fw-la quo_fw-la illuminante_fw-la laetantur_fw-la meriti_fw-la svi_fw-la nos_fw-la esse_fw-la consortes_fw-la honorandi_fw-la ergo_fw-la sunt_fw-la propter_fw-la imitationem_fw-la non_fw-la adorandi_fw-la propter_fw-la religionem_fw-la let_v we_o not_o make_v it_o any_o part_n of_o religion_n to_o worship_n man_n that_o be_v dead_a for_o if_o they_o live_v well_o they_o be_v now_o in_o that_o state_n that_o they_o need_v not_o neither_o do_v require_v any_o honour_n at_o our_o hand_n but_o they_o will_v have_v we_o to_o worship_n god_n by_o who_o illumination_n or_o revelation_n they_o may_v understand_v and_o do_v rejoice_v that_o we_o be_v partaker_n and_o fellow_n in_o the_o same_o faith_n they_o be_v then_o to_o be_v honour_v for_o imitation_n not_o to_o be_v adore_v for_o religion_n haec_fw-la august_n de_fw-fr vera_fw-la religion_n cap._n 55._o 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manducation_n of_o he_o which_o may_v be_v do_v without_o a_o sacrament_n for_o whosoever_o eat_v this_o bread_n shall_v live_v for_o ever_o but_o whosoever_o eat_v the_o sacrament_n shall_v not_o live_v for_o ever_o second_o see_v the_o eat_n and_o drink_v of_o christ_n be_v so_o often_o join_v in_o this_o chapter_n as_o vers_n 53.55.56_o they_o may_v well_o know_v that_o drink_v be_v here_o to_o be_v understand_v though_o it_o be_v not_o express_v argum._n 3._o in_o many_o country_n there_o be_v no_o wine_n to_o be_v have_v as_o in_o the_o cold_a northerly_a country_n and_o therefore_o they_o can_v communicate_v according_a to_o the_o institution_n whereupon_o that_o there_o may_v be_v a_o uniformity_n in_o all_o church_n it_o be_v most_o meet_a that_o where_o wine_n may_v be_v have_v they_o shall_v notwithstanding_o be_v content_a to_o receive_v it_o in_o one_o kind_n bellarmin_n cap._n 28._o also_o there_o may_v arise_v much_o inconvenience_n in_o grant_v the_o cup_n to_o the_o people_n as_o in_o spill_v and_o shed_v the_o wine_n which_o after_o consecration_n be_v the_o blood_n of_o christ_n rhemist_n annot_v john_n 6._o sect_n 11._o answ._n 1._o as_o in_o some_o country_n there_o be_v no_o wine_n to_o be_v have_v so_o we_o find_v that_o in_o certain_a place_n and_o region_n of_o the_o world_n there_o be_v no_o bread_n such_o as_o christ_n use_v 27._o make_v of_o wheat_n or_o the_o like_a grain_n as_o in_o some_o place_n among_o the_o west_n indian_n they_o have_v a_o certain_a kind_n of_o bread_n make_v of_o root_n call_v cazabi_n as_o benzo_n witness_v wherefore_o by_o this_o reason_n of_o uniformity_n we_o shall_v not_o communicate_v at_o all_o either_o in_o bread_n or_o wine_n see_v that_o as_o some_o country_n be_v destitute_a of_o wine_n so_o other_o be_v of_o bread_n but_o all_o this_o not_o withstand_v the_o sacrament_n may_v be_v due_o administer_v in_o all_o place_n in_o both_o kind_n and_o where_o they_o have_v neither_o bread_n nor_o wine_n neither_o can_v possible_o provide_v they_o they_o may_v safe_o use_v such_o other_o element_n as_o do_v stand_v they_o in_o the_o like_a stead_n as_o in_o the_o place_n of_o bread_n that_o which_o come_v near_a to_o the_o use_n thereof_o and_o for_o wine_n some_o other_o precious_a liquor_n that_o be_v to_o be_v have_v as_o in_o russia_n in_o stead_n of_o wine_n they_o use_v a_o certain_a drink_n like_o unto_o that_o which_o we_o call_v metheglin_n 2_o as_o for_o the_o other_o reason_n of_o the_o inconvenience_n in_o spill_v the_o wine_n shake_v the_o cup_n the_o hang_n of_o it_o on_o man_n beard_n &_o other_o such_o frivolous_a allegation_n as_o they_o be_v no_o let_v or_o hindrance_n why_o christ_n notwithstanding_o do_v not_o institute_v the_o sacrament_n in_o both_o kind_n and_o the_o church_n according_o observe_v it_o as_o we_o read_v the_o corinthian_n do_v communicate_v in_o both_o kind_n so_o ought_v they_o to_o be_v no_o reason_n why_o christian_n shall_v not_o receive_v 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eat_n and_o drink_v of_o christ._n argum._n 2._o christ_n institute_v the_o sacrament_n in_o both_o kind_n give_v charge_n and_o commandment_n to_o all_o christian_n in_o the_o same_o manner_n to_o celebrate_v it_o for_o he_o say_v drink_v you_o all_o of_o this_o if_o our_o adversary_n answer_n as_o they_o do_v that_o this_o be_v speak_v to_o the_o apostle_n by_o the_o like_a reason_n they_o may_v say_v also_o that_o when_o christ_n say_v take_v eat_v he_o speak_v unto_o his_o apostle_n and_o so_o the_o people_n shall_v neither_o receive_v bread_n and_o wine_n but_o the_o minister_n only_o again_o saint_n paul_n the_o best_a expounder_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n declare_v the_o right_a use_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n in_o both_o kind_n for_o all_o christian_n for_o he_o write_v to_o the_o whole_a congregation_n and_o church_n of_o the_o corinthian_n not_o to_o the_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n only_o and_o to_o every_o christian_n he_o say_v let_v a_o man_n examine_v himself_o and_o 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but_o they_o be_v not_o of_o christ_n institution_n 3_o they_o also_o want_v a_o word_n of_o institution_n in_o penance_n the_o priest_n say_v i_o do_v absolve_v thou_o after_o particular_a confession_n make_v of_o his_o sin_n in_o confirmation_n the_o word_n be_v i_o sign_n thou_o with_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n and_o confirm_v thou_o with_o the_o chrism_n of_o salvation_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n son_n etc._n etc._n in_o matrimony_n i_o take_v thou_o to_o my_o wife_n in_o give_v of_o order_n receive_v thou_o power_n to_o offer_v up_o the_o body_n of_o christ._n in_o extreme_a unction_n god_n by_o the_o virtue_n of_o this_o oil_n forgive_v thou_o thy_o sin_n these_o they_o say_v be_v the_o word_n of_o the_o institution_n but_o they_o can_v show_v no_o word_n of_o god_n for_o they_o for_o it_o be_v not_o every_o word_n that_o sanctifi_v but_o only_o the_o word_n of_o god_n 1._o tim._n 4._o wherefore_o see_v they_o have_v no_o word_n of_o institution_n they_o be_v no_o sacrament_n last_o they_o want_v the_o true_a use_n and_o end_n of_o a_o sacrament_n which_o be_v to_o strengthen_v our_o faith_n for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n for_o in_o some_o of_o these_o there_o be_v no_o relation_n at_o all_o have_v to_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n as_o matrimony_n do_v but_o perform_v say_v they_o the_o grace_n of_o marriage_n as_o fidelity_n mutual_a love_n and_o such_o like_a order_n do_v confer_v the_o power_n of_o priesthood_n here_o be_v no_o sign_n or_o assurance_n of_o the_o grace_n of_o justification_n in_o the_o rest_n remission_n of_o sin_n be_v ascribe_v to_o other_o instrumental_a mean_n then_o to_o faith_n only_o as_o to_o satisfactory_a work_n in_o absolution_n to_o chrism_n in_o confirmation_n to_o oil_n in_o extreme_a unction_n wherefore_o we_o conclude_v because_o they_o be_v no_o seal_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n as_o saint_n paul_n define_v a_o sacrament_n rom._n 4.11_o that_o they_o be_v no_o sacrament_n of_o christ_n institution_n but_o superstitious_a ceremony_n devise_v by_o man_n here_o ensve_fw-la such_o qvestion_n and_o controversy_n as_o be_v move_v concern_v the_o benefit_n of_o our_o redemption_n purchase_v unto_o we_o by_o the_o death_n of_o christ._n the_o seventeen_o controversy_n all_o the_o benefit_n of_o our_o redemption_n may_v be_v bring_v to_o these_o three_o head_n our_o predestination_n vocation_n and_o justification_n as_o they_o be_v set_v down_o by_o the_o apostle_n rom._n 8.30_o these_o three_o then_o be_v the_o part_n of_o this_o controversy_n the_o first_o part_n of_o predestination_n the_o particular_a question_n be_v these_o first_o whether_o predestination_n be_v of_o the_o wicked_a to_o condemnation_n as_o of_o the_o elect_a to_o salvation_n second_o whether_o our_o election_n be_v of_o mere_a grace_n three_o whether_o it_o be_v certain_a &_o unchangeable_a the_o first_o question_n of_o reprobation_n the_o papist_n god_n they_o say_v be_v not_o the_o cause_n of_o any_o man_n reprobation_n or_o damnation_n rhemist_n error_n 55_o annot_v roman_n 9.1_o he_o intend_v no_o man_n damnation_n direct_o or_o absolute_o but_o in_o respect_n of_o their_o demerit_n ibid._n sect_n 5._o argum._n 1._o timoth._n 2.4_o god_n will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v and_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o truth_n ergo_fw-la the_o perish_a or_o damnation_n of_o none_o must_v be_v impute_v to_o god_n rhemist_n the_o protestant_n an._n 1_o no_o man_n must_v impute_v his_o damnation_n to_o god_n because_o the_o wicked_a be_v just_o punish_v for_o their_o sin_n without_o any_o respect_n have_v unto_o the_o secret_a counsel_n of_o god_n yet_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o god_n to_o set_v forth_o his_o glory_n as_o he_o have_v make_v some_o the_o vessel_n of_o honour_n so_o other_o be_v ordain_v to_o be_v vessel_n of_o wrath_n without_o any_o respect_n have_v to_o their_o work_n either_o good_a or_o evil_n and_o this_o notwithstanding_o stand_v with_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n to_o save_v some_o and_o reject_v other_o for_o he_o may_v just_o condemn_v all_o to_o eternal_a death_n now_o if_o notwithstanding_o he_o have_v mercy_n of_o some_o his_o justice_n in_o the_o condemnation_n of_o the_o rest_n be_v not_o to_o be_v complain_v of_o but_o his_o mercy_n to_o be_v extol_v in_o save_v of_o some_o god_n indeed_o will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v that_o be_v say_v augustine_n omnes_fw-la homines_fw-la 1â—3_n omne_fw-la genus_fw-la humanum_fw-la intelligamus_fw-la by_o all_o man_n we_o must_v understand_v all_o sort_n or_o all_o kind_n of_o man_n not_o every_o particular_a man_n and_o this_o be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o apostle_n meaning_n which_o before_o exhort_v man_n to_o pray_v for_o king_n and_o prince_n and_o then_o he_o give_v this_o reason_n because_o god_n will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v that_o be_v high_a and_o low_a king_n and_o people_n of_o all_o sort_n and_o this_o place_n also_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v not_o of_o the_o secret_a but_o of_o the_o reveal_v will_n of_o god_n who_o offer_v unto_o all_o the_o outward_a mean_n of_o their_o salvation_n thus_o also_o augustine_n expound_v these_o word_n remota_fw-la hac_fw-la discretione_fw-la quam_fw-la divina_fw-la scientia_fw-la intra_fw-la secretum_fw-la iustitiae_fw-la suae_fw-la continet_fw-la syncerissimè_fw-la credendum_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n set_v apart_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o secret_a counsel_n and_o justice_n of_o god_n it_o be_v sincere_o to_o be_v believe_v that_o god_n will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v that_o be_v offer_v unto_o all_o the_o outward_a mean_n of_o salvation_n as_o his_o word_n and_o sacrament_n contr._n articul_fw-la fall_v imposit_a art_n 2._o argum._n rom._n 9.22_o the_o apostle_n speak_v plain_o that_o as_o god_n have_v prepare_v some_o vessel_n unto_o glory_n so_o also_o some_o be_v ordain_v to_o wrath_n and_o that_o the_o counsel_n of_o god_n be_v most_o just_a herein_o for_o as_o the_o potter_n may_v dispose_v of_o the_o clay_n as_o it_o seem_v best_a to_o himself_o to_o make_v of_o it_o a_o vessel_n of_o honour_n or_o of_o dishonour_n at_o his_o pleasure_n so_o the_o lord_n have_v as_o great_a right_n to_o deal_v with_o his_o creature_n and_o see_v all_o thing_n ought_v to_o be_v subdue_v to_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n which_o be_v set_v forth_o in_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o rebellious_a as_o in_o the_o election_n of_o the_o faithful_a it_o be_v necessary_a and_o requisite_a that_o the_o lord_n shall_v get_v unto_o himself_o both_o way_n a_o glorious_a name_n therefore_o he_o say_v rom._n 9.17_o that_o god_n have_v set_v up_o pharaoh_n to_o show_v his_o power_n in_o he_o augustine_n say_v tenenda_fw-la est_fw-la inconcussè_fw-la haec_fw-la regula_fw-la impios_fw-la in_o peccatis_fw-la antequam_fw-la essent_fw-la in_o mundo_fw-la praescitos_fw-la esse_fw-la tantùm_fw-la 6._o non_fw-la praedestinatos_fw-la poenam_fw-la autem_fw-la ijs_fw-la praedestinatam_fw-la this_o rule_n we_o must_v undoubted_o hold_v that_o the_o wicked_a be_v only_o foresee_v or_o foreknow_v of_o god_n in_o their_o sin_n not_o predestinate_a but_o their_o punishment_n be_v predestinate_a so_o then_o god_n ordain_v not_o man_n to_o sin_n but_o he_o ordain_v man_n to_o punishment_n not_o have_v relation_n to_o their_o sin_n but_o in_o his_o own_o secret_a counsel_n yet_o be_v not_o the_o wicked_a to_o complain_v for_o they_o be_v just_o forsake_v because_o of_o their_o rebellion_n and_o disobedience_n neither_o be_v the_o godly_a and_o faithful_a by_o this_o doctrine_n to_o be_v discourage_v for_o as_o much_o as_o god_n have_v not_o deny_v they_o the_o grace_n of_o his_o spirit_n but_o have_v give_v they_o faith_n and_o repentance_n and_o strength_n to_o walk_v before_o he_o in_o his_o fear_n all_o which_o be_v pledge_n unto_o they_o of_o their_o free_a election_n and_o salvation_n in_o christ._n the_o second_o question_n whether_o predestination_n proceed_v from_o the_o free_a will_n and_o purpose_n of_o god_n without_o relation_n to_o our_o work_n the_o papist_n god_n do_v not_o hate_n or_o reprobate_v any_o man_n but_o for_o sin_n or_o the_o foresight_n thereof_o error_n 56_o rhemist_n rom._n 9_o sect_n 2._o neither_o do_v christ_n appoint_v any_o by_o his_o absolute_a and_o eternal_a election_n to_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o fruit_n of_o his_o redemption_n without_o any_o condition_n or_o respect_n of_o their_o own_o work_n obedience_n or_o free_a will_n rhem._n heb._n 5.9_o argum._n heb._n 5.9_o he_o be_v make_v the_o author_n of_o eternal_a salvation_n to_o all_o that_o obey_v he_o they_o be_v not_o we_o see_v elect_v without_o condition_n of_o obedience_n rhemist_n the_o protestant_n ans._n 1._o god_n indeed_o elect_v all_o that_o shall_v be_v save_v not_o with_o any_o condition_n on_o their_o behalf_n but_o on_o his_o own_o behalf_n for_o unto_o they_o who_o he_o choose_v he_o will_v give_v grace_n to_o obey_v
so_o exhort_v the_o superior_a pastor_n and_o bishop_n to_o look_v to_o their_o clergy_n as_o the_o rhemist_n will_v have_v it_o for_o s._n peter_n speak_v of_o the_o whole_a flock_n and_o congregation_n which_o can_v be_v understand_v proper_o of_o many_o minister_n disperse_v into_o several_a place_n 2_o neither_o shall_v we_o find_v this_o word_n clerus_fw-la the_o clergy_n proper_o apply_v to_o the_o minister_n throughout_o the_o new_a testament_n let_v our_o adversary_n brag_v never_o so_o much_o of_o scripture_n as_o they_o do_v galat._n 6.6_o s._n paul_n use_v these_o name_n of_o difference_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o teacher_n and_o he_o that_o be_v teach_v and_o 1._o corinth_n 14.16_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o speaker_n and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o private_a or_o unlettered_a man_n so_o that_o all_o their_o name_n be_v give_v in_o respect_n of_o their_o outward_a ministry_n and_o calling_n not_o in_o regard_n of_o any_o difference_n before_o god_n for_o before_o the_o lord_n as_o there_o be_v neither_o grecian_a nor_o jew_n bond_n nor_o free_a 3.28_o male_a nor_o female_a so_o neither_o be_v there_o clerk_n or_o lay_v man_n 3_o augustine_n thus_o write_v concern_v this_o name_n cleros_fw-la qui_fw-la sunt_fw-la in_o ecclesiastici_fw-la ministerij_fw-la gradibus_fw-la ordinati_fw-la sic_fw-la dictos_fw-la puto_fw-la quia_fw-la mathias_n sort_n electus_fw-la est_fw-la in_o psal._n 67._o clerk_n which_o serve_v in_o the_o ministry_n i_o think_v be_v so_o call_v because_o mathias_n be_v choose_v by_o lot_n see_v then_o they_o be_v not_o call_v clerk_n because_o they_o be_v the_o lord_n lot_n but_o because_o they_o be_v allot_v and_o choose_v out_o of_o the_o people_n for_o that_o service_n as_o the_o levite_n be_v call_v the_o people_n gift_n number_n 18.6_o and_o the_o priest_n office_n a_o office_n of_o service_n not_o of_o more_o merit_n or_o holiness_n or_o a_o office_n of_o lordly_a preeminence_n but_o of_o ministry_n and_o service_n augustine_n therefore_o have_v a_o notable_a say_n non_fw-la nos_fw-la digni_fw-la qui_fw-la pro_fw-la vobis_fw-la oremus_fw-la vos_fw-la indigni_fw-la qui_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la oretis_fw-la psal._n 68_o we_o be_v not_o only_o worthy_a to_o pray_v for_o you_o and_o you_o unworthy_a to_o pray_v for_o we_o auditoribus_fw-la suis_fw-la quibus_fw-la verbum_fw-la praedicavit_fw-la se_fw-la commendavit_fw-la apostolus_fw-la ibid._n the_o apostle_n commend_v himself_o to_o their_o devout_a prayer_n to_o who_o he_o preach_v by_o this_o their_o error_n be_v confute_v that_o think_v the_o prayer_n of_o a_o priest_n to_o be_v the_o rather_o hear_v for_o the_o merit_n and_o dignity_n of_o his_o call_n howsoever_o else_o he_o be_v affect_v in_o his_o prayer_n so_o the_o rhemist_n say_v that_o a_o prayer_n not_o understand_v profit_v by_o the_o virtue_n of_o the_o work_n wrought_v and_o the_o office_n of_o the_o priesthood_n annot._n 1_o corinth_n 14._o sect_n 10._o the_o second_o question_n concern_v the_o election_n and_o institution_n of_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n this_o question_n have_v two_o part_n first_o of_o the_o election_n general_o of_o pastor_n and_o minister_n second_o of_o the_o election_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n the_o first_o part_n concern_v the_o election_n general_o of_o all_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n the_o papist_n error_n 67_o they_o say_v that_o the_o election_n of_o bishop_n neither_o belong_v to_o the_o clergy_n nor_o the_o people_n but_o whole_o appertain_v to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n as_o for_o the_o people_n they_o have_v they_o say_v nothing_o at_o all_o to_o do_v in_o the_o election_n of_o their_o pastor_n or_o ordain_v of_o they_o that_o neither_o their_o suffragium_fw-la consilium_fw-la or_o consensus_fw-la suffrage_n counsel_n or_o consent_n be_v to_o be_v require_v bellarm._n de_fw-fr clericis_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 7._o &_o 8._o 1_o that_o the_o people_n be_v to_o be_v utter_o exclude_v thus_o they_o will_v prove_v it_o aaron_n be_v only_o elect_v of_o moses_n without_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n so_o be_v the_o apostle_n by_o our_o saviour_n ergo_fw-la the_o people_n consent_n be_v not_o require_v bellarm._n ans._n who_o see_v not_o that_o there_o be_v great_a difference_n between_o ordinary_a and_o extraordinary_a calling_n such_o as_o the_o call_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v and_o aaron_n at_o the_o first_o though_o the_o office_n of_o the_o high_a priest_n afterward_o become_v ordinary_a also_o it_o follow_v not_o the_o apostle_n be_v choose_v without_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n when_o there_o be_v yet_o no_o faithful_a and_o christian_a congregation_n and_o because_o they_o be_v pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a world_n ergo_fw-la as_o well_o the_o people_n consent_n may_v be_v want_v in_o the_o election_n of_o ordinary_a bishop_n and_o pastor_n which_o have_v their_o peculiar_a &_o proper_a charge_n and_o there_o be_v now_o many_o faithful_a and_o well_o instruct_v congregation_n it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o appoint_v pastor_n for_o the_o church_n not_o yet_o plant_v &_o a_o other_o thing_n to_o constitute_v they_o in_o a_o church_n already_o reform_v and_o instruct_v for_o we_o read_v of_o nation_n that_o have_v be_v convert_v to_o the_o faith_n by_o those_o that_o have_v no_o call_n of_o the_o church_n as_o a_o great_a nation_n of_o the_o indian_n be_v by_o aedesius_n and_o frumentinus_n ruffin_n lib._n 1.9_o and_o the_o iberian_o by_o a_o captive_a woman_n ruffian_n 1.10_o 2_o the_o people_n can_v judge_v who_o be_v fit_a to_o be_v pastor_n and_o their_o election_n be_v tumultuous_a as_o we_o may_v read_v how_o in_o the_o election_n of_o damasus_n there_o be_v 137._o person_n slay_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o meet_v nor_o convenient_a that_o the_o matter_n shall_v be_v commit_v to_o the_o people_n either_o to_o elect_v or_o ordain_v but_o whatsoever_o they_o do_v in_o time_n past_a it_o be_v either_o by_o sufferance_n or_o negligence_n of_o the_o bishop_n bellarmin_n cap._n 7._o ans._n first_o mere_a popular_a election_n be_v never_o allow_v in_o any_o well_o order_v church_n neither_o be_v the_o allowance_n of_o their_o pastor_n whole_o refer_v to_o the_o people_n neither_o do_v they_o bear_v the_o chief_a stroke_n but_o the_o election_n be_v moderate_v by_o the_o wisdom_n and_o gravity_n of_o the_o clergy_n fulk_n tit._n 1._o sect_n 2._o second_o the_o question_n be_v not_o between_o we_o concern_v the_o ordain_v of_o pastor_n for_o that_o belong_v only_o to_o the_o eldership_n and_o be_v do_v by_o lay_v on_o of_o their_o hand_n 1._o timoth._n 4.14_o but_o concern_v the_o elect_n and_o choose_v of_o they_o three_o neither_o do_v we_o dispute_v whether_o it_o be_v convenient_a and_o necessary_a at_o all_o time_n but_o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o neither_o do_v we_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v of_o the_o essence_n and_o substance_n of_o the_o call_n of_o minister_n to_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o voice_n of_o the_o people_n as_o though_o they_o be_v no_o minister_n but_o usurper_n and_o intruder_n that_o be_v not_o so_o call_v 14.22_o but_o whether_o it_o have_v be_v at_o any_o time_n &_o may_v yet_o be_v lawful_a to_o require_v the_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n four_o it_o be_v false_a that_o the_o people_n have_v this_o right_n by_o usurpation_n or_o else_o sufferance_n of_o the_o pastor_n for_o cyprian_n say_v it_o do_v de_n divina_fw-la authoritate_fw-la descendere_fw-la lib._n 1._o epistol_n 4._o that_o this_o custom_n be_v ground_v upon_o divine_a authority_n yea_o it_o be_v establish_v by_o the_o law_n of_o king_n as_o there_o be_v a_o law_n make_v by_o lodovicus_n pius_n king_n of_o france_n that_o bishop_n shall_v be_v ordain_v by_o the_o free_a election_n of_o the_o clergy_n and_o the_o people_n ex_fw-la ansigis_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 20._o 3_o therefore_o say_v they_o election_n of_o bishop_n ought_v to_o be_v at_o the_o pope_n assignment_n for_o unto_o peter_n be_v commit_v the_o care_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n when_o he_o bad_a peter_n feed_v his_o sheep_n hereupon_o they_o be_v bold_a to_o affirm_v that_o we_o have_v neither_o true_a bishop_n nor_o minister_n because_o they_o be_v not_o lawful_o send_v that_o be_v as_o they_o interpret_v it_o from_o the_o see_v apostolic_a bellarm._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 3.8_o rhemist_n rom._n 10._o sect_n 5._o answer_v first_o the_o charge_n give_v to_o peter_n bear_v no_o such_o sense_n that_o because_o christ_n bid_v he_o feed_v his_o sheep_n therefore_o he_o and_o his_o successor_n shall_v only_o have_v authority_n to_o consecrate_v minister_n for_o if_o peter_n have_v it_o by_o this_o grant_n other_o elder_n and_o pastor_n have_v it_o in_o like_a sort_n to_o who_o it_o as_o well_o appertain_v to_o feed_v the_o flock_n of_o christ_n 1._o peter_n 5.2_o and_o again_o not_o peter_n only_o but_o the_o rest_n also_o of_o the_o apostle_n do_v ordain_v and_o consecrate_v pastor_n