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A66932 A little stone, pretended to be out of the mountain, tried, and found to be a counterfeit, or, An examination & refutation of Mr. Lockyers lecture, preached at Edinburgh, anno 1651, concerning the mater of the visible church and afterwards printed with an appendix for popular government of single congregations : together with an examination, in two appendices, of what is said on these same purposes in a letter of some in Aberdene, who lately have departed from the communion and government of this church / by James Wood ... Wood, James, 1608-1664. 1654 (1654) Wing W3399; ESTC R206983 330,782 402

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out_o 2._o we_o do_v not_o make_v the_o occasion_n 〈…〉_o more_o congregation_n than_o one_o 〈◊〉_d r●aso●_n 〈…〉_o ●hey_n may_v rule_v over_o more_o than_o one_o ordinary_o 〈…〉_o a_o minister_n by_o christ_n institution_n and_o 〈…〉_o office_n ●s_v a_o minister_n and_o have_v that_o office_n habit_n 〈…〉_o to_o the_o universal_a visible_a church_n of_o jesus_n christ_n 〈…〉_o singl●_n congregation_n see_v ●his_n abundant_o 〈…〉_o the_o learned_a mr._n hudson_n vin●ic_n of_o the_o ●ss●…_n 〈…〉_o c._n 6._o pag._n 138._o &_o seq_n ●nd_v so_o may_v and_o 〈…〉_o office_n and_o ●ny_n part_v thereof_o in_o relation_n to_o 〈…〉_o church_n ay_o particular_a congregation_n o●_n 〈…〉_o according_a as_o 〈◊〉_d promove_v of_o the_o good_a of_o the_o whol●_n 〈…〉_o and_o h●_n 〈…〉_o particular_a call_v there_o 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈…〉_o of_o preach_a be_v bound_v 〈…〉_o yet_o he_o 〈…〉_o ru●…ng_v may_v be_v ordinar●…y_o 〈…〉_o congregatio●…_n hau●…_n a_o call_v thereunto_o by_o 〈…〉_o that_o congre●…tion_n ●nd_v 〈◊〉_d 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