Selected quad for the lemma: reason_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
reason_n answer_n answer_v objection_n 2,644 5 9.4165 5 false
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A85445 The author and case of transplanting the Irish into Connaught vindicated, from the unjust aspersions of Col. Richard Laurence. By Vincent Gookin Esquire. Gookin, Vincent, 1616?-1659. 1655 (1655) Wing G1272; Thomason E838_7; ESTC R205067 47,347 63

There are 7 snippets containing the selected quad. | View lemmatised text

but swoln up with winde and the applause of others as ignorant as themselves only pretend to be so Those that rail against Ministers Ordinances Scripture are the men I describ'd there and he that would extend this any further then I intended it may suppose me guilty of one injury but is himself certainly of two One against me in corrupting my meaning and another against those that are gifted in traducing their manners IV. Pag. 13. lin. 26. The Irish are described to be under a miserable condition and tied to impossible Laws and reserved only for slaughter and Pag. 14. those frown'd upon that dispence any equity to them Does not this accuse the State of injustice and rigour Answ. It may do so but it must be only with those that are resolved pertinaciously to cleave to mistakes after they have read what I write whatever they did before For this consider What is it that I am proving there 'T is that after Justice is done on a Community Mercy may take place which Mercy that the Irish may taste of I shew Justice is done on them To make which appear I instance all these particulars Is not this to shew the State hath done justly and what they have suffer'd they have suffer'd justly Where 's the accusation against our Governors and Government Is it that they have done justly Do I not there prove that Justice must necessarily precede Mercy and then prove that it hath done so And is the proving of Justice done the proving a thing done unjustly If any be condemned there 't is the Irish be absolved 't is Authority Who uses to suffer Justice the guilty to do it the innocent And yet by this mistake to say the State has done Justice is to make them guilty and the Irish has suffer'd it to make them innocent This is to make the Judge the Thief and the Thief the Judge Pray put but the word Justice to every part of the Irish suffering there mentioned and then see what you can charge me for charging the State with The frowns there mentioned are restrained by the word some to particular persons and such I say still there are though they frown more on me Nor have their disgusts herein terminated in me but moderate equitable persons even of eminency in the Army it self have born their part with me in particular the Governor of Cork for his in tendernesse of the States honour defending from injury such poor Irish as put themselves under their shelter has suffer'd many unjust defamations because he labour'd to preserve others from injustice V. Pag. 24. line 6 I write of the incredible oppression of the Souldiers and seem to intimate the like of the Officers by saying The people have just causes to fear to complain Answ. I do believe that the Army in Ireland is the best disciplin'd Army in the world except that in England whereof it is a part Yet I believe likewise that there never was an Army except of Angels where the Lord of Hosts was Captain that had not some that swerv'd from the integrity of the rest I said no more but some and I believe themselves will say no lesse I do not accuse all neither will they excuse all and for these things going unpunished for their just fear to complain it touches not the most subordinate much lesse the Supream Officer for the Officers not knowing it keeps him just and yet the private Souldiers power over the peasant may make his fear just too for though it lie in the Irish mans power to complain of a first injury yet it lies in the poorest Souldiers power to do him another that shall put him it may be past complaining or put such a specious colour on it as may give it the face of Justice and then who will not believe an English Souldier rather then an Irish Teige if the matter should come to dispute So then though the cause be unjust in the Souldier yet it may be just in the labourer who may fear justly to complain of injury least he be injur'd more by complaining These were all the things subject to scruple in that Treatise which I could either conjecture or learn from others save what is referrible to the same heads and so being the same Objections the same Answers will assoyl them If I could have met any others I should as easily have untied them as these but not able to divine what they are must leave them to the Readers wisdom and charity who from what I have answered already may reason to what I might to the rest and will perceive how unjust those multiplications were of my traducing Authority which are scatter'd every where in Collonel Laurence his Book and his unworthy censures on me supposing me so to have done I reverence Authority as highly as I prize Col. Laurence slightly who has discovered but his own weaknesse or malice whilest he attempted to blast my innocence And surely he is more beholding to his Buckler then Sword The States cause which he pretends to maintain then his own which he is not able for had he not interwoven his so many abuses of me with the colourable pretext of righting them so that 't is a hard matter to touch him but he will cry they are wounded I should not have spared the unripping of a multitude more of his observable indiscretions then I have done in this Book which were stuft in by him without any reason and are overpast by me for this reason Thus I hope I have evidenc't that I have not injured Authority in general This may satisfie them but I cannot my self unlesse I do right eminently unto one eminent particular person in it who has no lesse merited from me then he deserves to do from all others I mean his Excellency the Lord Deputy that now is of Ireland who as he had the chiefest power in managing this businesse of Transplantation as of all other things transacted in that Land so if any thing were said by me that intrencht on Authority it might seem more directly to reflect on him and therefore I hold my self obliged particularly to give some account of my self in this thing as of his integrity in that Not so much that he needs my doing him right as to shew how much I abhorre the doing him wrong And all men must see this now to arise from necessity not flattery He is certainly a fountain of much good to Ireland and stands in the gap between that poor people and much ill A person made rich with those excellent endowments that inable men to command and prepare others to obey One of whom I should say more but for fear to injure his modesty and of whom I could say no lesse to defend my own innocency I must as a perclose to this keep the Reader from being mislead by some Errata's in this his History which are not reserved as in other Books for the latter end but enter at the beginning and
answers How he is not i. e. quâ Landlord 3. He answers he is not transplanted quâ Landlord but tels you not whether he be transplanted quâ Tenant or quâ man or quâ Rebell Well though the quâ may be doubtfull yet the best on 't is the transplanting will be certain 4. 'T is strange that he is not transplanted quâ Landlord when most of the Landlords are to be transplanted if it be a lot the Dice runs shrewly against them 5. They are not to be transplanted quâ Landlords and yet the Tenants go not though they are men and Rebels as well as the Landlords This is a likely story 6. He forgets himself for afterward p. 22. he there tels you the Reasons why the Landlords go they had more means and more influence and therefore are to be transplanted and had they not this as they were Landlords and as having this he grants they shall be transplanted and yet denies they are as Landlords transplanted He has a notable Metaphysical head it seems thus to be able to abstract things if he were a Chymist he would either finde out the Philosophers stone or knock out his brains against it he 's so good at separation 7. As a Landlord he is not to be transplanted that is it may be if he had not been a Rebel and so he starts a curious new notion that all men that have Lands in Ireland shall not go to Connaught and that this is the subtilty he springs his own words assure us pag. 22. lin. 21. It is not their having Land is the fault but mis-improving the ability it gave them 8. He goes not away as a Landlord I am confident now I have hit on his sense and this is it for he has lost his estate by forfeiture before he goes and so is none His second Question Whether the Tenants have not been equally guilty and yet are not transplanted and then this is with childe of another young question If this be not partiality To the first he answers nothing To the second No Reply 1. This question seems to be to the former like one of Hopkins or Sternholds Psalms Another of the same 2. Yet now I rub my eyes methinks I spy a glimering difference for his first question was before Why the Landlord should be transplanted and not the Tenant But his second is Why the Tenant is not transplanted but the Landlord and between these two you know there 's a vast difference Just as much as was between Collonel Laurence and the Marshal-General though not so much as between a horse-mill and a mill-horse though they are terms convertible 3. His second Answer is true if he can prove his supposition That Transplantation is a free meer act of grace but that 's not true For 1. He must remember that before he granted it in some sense a punishment and if so 't will then come to be in some sense injustice where an offence is equal to make the suffering unequal according to his own resolution 2. Is this now an act of grace which himself sayes Pag. 19. the Irish have reason to accept of death rather Is not this to make the State ridiculous to tell men they hold forth great acts of grace to the Irish such as they have reason rather to die then accept of His third Question What are the Reasons the Landlord is transplanted not the Tenant I shall speak to this 1. in general and then 2. in particular to his Answers which as the Legion said of himself are many and yet there was never a good one 1. I observe this is the the third concoction of this question whereby you may perceive though his Book shews his stomack 's very great his digestion is not very good What has an Ignis fatuus met him that he strayes thus up and down Nothing but the same question 'T is a conjecturers circle and he cannot get out on 't But it may be I have the mystery on 't 'T is a knotty question this and fit to be search't into But his invention is obstinate and will confesse nothing directly and therefore he resolves to circumvent her with multiplying and varying the forms of the same question It may be thus he may pump out something out of her at length Well howsoever what he cannot furnish you with in answers he supplies in questions 2. He now answers what the Reasons are of this act and yet before he askt the same question twice and pretended to give answers What 's the reason of this act of his Why you must understand that now he is come to his answers with reason and those before are his answers without reason His reasons are Reas. 1. The Landlords maintain'd the Rebels Therefore merit to be transplanted most Reply And the Tenants maintained the Landlord and the Rebels too The first Immediately the second Mediately Reas. 2. The Landlords maintaining the Army should have had an equal share in the booty and to justifie this he brings Scripture to confirm the Irish dividing the goods after they had plundered the English Answ. But how know you they should Have the English Landlords that maintained the English Army had an equal share in the booty they got Or are the Rebels acts which were lookt on as inhumane now become sacred and parallel to Davids actings in the Scripture The plundered English will hardly believe the Preacher that brings this Divinity Reas. 3. It will break their Septs which I confesse to be necessary Pag. 22. of the Case of Transplantation Answ. 1. I did and do so still by which he may see I was for the good of the English and therefore needed not have been in such choler with me 2. Yet it does not infer his Conclusion for the Septs will be broke if the Tenants be transplanted and the Landlords stay 3. Yet are not the Septs broke by this for only Proprietors going their eldest sons and other stay who when their fathers die will still head their Septs of parties 4. The Law has provided for this without transplanting An. 5. Ed. 4. as by taking sirnames c. and for breaking their dependencies An. 11. Eliz. but this Gentleman studies only martial Law 5. The Septs may be broke by removing the Landlords mutually out of their own into remoter Counties which was the way of Transplantations our Historians speak of and former Statesmen advis'd to 3. But if it be only this he intends to put in execution I shall not quarrel with him But how to salve this proceeding with publick Orders already given out I confesse I know not Those being general if I have either eyes or ears and for private Orders if there were any they were only to be taken notice of by those to whom they were no secrets and so could not by me Collonel Laurence then being resolved to condescend to me in the thing I shall not quarrel with him for differing from me in words for what he knows I writ for him before And I am sure he acts for me now if his sayings and doings differ not Choler in him began the quarrel or a worse principle necessity made me take it up I must either submit to those crimes he charges me with or by a reply discharge my self If he had used fewer ill words he had not received so many which though perhapssharp are neither scolding nor lies If he had stayed to right Authority till I had wronged them he had never been an Apologist nay it may be he has wrong'd them more in scribling so weakly for them then another could in writing strongly against them If a conceited injury done to others made him thrust himself into print a reall one done me speaks my excuse Let no poor sufferer by the Irish betray his Reason or Religion to his passion here to think no evils can be too great to be brought on the Irish It was their being cruel makes thee hate them so much to punish them do no not run into their sin least God punish thee Do not think that he that writes this and the Case of Transplantation pleads for them but thy cause 'T is safe profitable for thee that some be removed not all This Collonel Laurence sayes shall be done this I desired might be done Where is my offence against Authority more then his my love to the Irish more then his or my care of thee lesse then his I was far from being moved by them to do what I have done but by the English interest as I apprehended I was by the English of Kinsale and Bandon chosen a Member of the last Parliament and though their generosity was such as by their own disbursments to offer to defray my journey for England yet I accepted it not 't is unlikely the Irish should corrupt me and 't is a lie whoever shall say it because he wants something else to say But I have tired my self to refute slanders and am glad I shall now end FINIS
Argument he pickeers on the States behalf and attempts the answering some Objections And surely the first three of these to so mean an understanding as mine might have been put into the rank of impertinencies and not insisted on by him for I think no body questions but there was Authority for this result and I never thought nor any save their enemies but that they did it upon grounds and motives and with good intentions and what has been in pursuance thereof hitherto acted in Ireland was not examined by the case of Transplantation nor censured but only what might happen if transplanting should be concluded on generally in probability pointed at according to my judgement I reasoned concerning the good or bad effects of Transplantation and produced Arguments to prove the latter To answer all which he tels us great wonders 'T was resolved on by Authority and that for some reasons too and has been pursued in Ireland things which all men know but how they need to be inserted here I know not Object But that 's my ignorance for this was caused by my self who blame the Authority in Ireland for its Obedience to the Authority in England and accuse both for cruelty and weaknesse pag. 2. 3. of his Book and many wayes in mine reflect on both To which I answer 1. Unlesse I will be so ingenuous to confess all those crimes Mr Laurence is so indulgent as not to press me with the proof of any of them His Assertions therefore I shall confront with my Actions and leave the Reader to judge the truth of the first and the honesty of the second Having had the honour to be chosen a Member of the last Parliament among many other things the great Affair of transplanting the Irish came to be the matter of some discourse Being imployed thither for Ireland I did not foresee I confesse that it would be a sinne of so deep a die as it seems it is nay be a complication of so many grosse enormities if I did happen to speak my minde in that affair and not dictate Magisterially but summon the best reason that I had to back it This I did and at the request of some Members that it might passe the Test of the rest cast it into that Paper wherein it was publisht with as honest an intention I dare say as Collonel Laurence prints the defiance to it though it may be not with so good successe They that have so much time to waste in reading my folly and his wisdom in our papers will without being bribed by either of us quickly passe sentence who abounds most in abuse Was there such an Hidra of mischiefs as he cha●ges on me in venturing to debate a resolution not yet commenc't into Action This was the Parliaments fault with me Why did not the Parliament understand the horridness of this fact and if wise to understand it why not just to punish it It was their Authority enacted it according to Collonel Laurence and so if any theirs was opposed censured c. and not that in Ireland Now what the Parliaments thoughts were of this the Gentleman that ushered in Collonel Laurence's book with his letter tell us That the Irish had great hopes in that Parliament but God be thanked they were blasted by their happy dissolution Thus Parliaments are made by some men to go with screws to be set higher or lower as may please their fancies or serve their humours But is this the reverence this Respondent has for the Parliament likewise whom he pretends in some places so much for thus to abuse the Members of it as he hath me Besides by the Respondents law nothing though never so ill done should be reverst though on grounds never so well spoken when even things but in motion may not be ventilated How long has Authority been such a tender eye with this person that it might not be toucht Sure 't is but since he has got to be in a little himself and all others but so far regarded as they may exalt his else Mr Laurence probably may finde Arguments of another nature they are but men like others The servants of the people God respects not persons nor must we make an Idol of man Not many mighty but God hath chosen the foolish to confound the wise Christ must rule c. I desire to know of the Respondent if he hath never interposed his Reasons in publick State affairs of Ireland to which he was not call'd as the Discussor was to the Parliament You see what the Authority is that he does so revere himself and his contrivances and interests and the opposing this is to be an Incendiary Malignant c. and you must take this for a general Rule in the Affairs of Ireland that if in the least thing you happen not point-vice to close with Collonel Laurence but O if you should have the unhappinesse and the impudence both to oppose what comes from this Tripos If you displease but a Landprizado that is in his Livery that very day you commence an enemy to the State and the sad influence will sit closer to you then if you were born under a three-peny planet You are blasted for ever and your infamy fires in a train he that never-saw you shall rail at you for a Malignant upon Publick Faith and you are slain with the white pouder of secret whispers you cannot tell by whom But now on the contrary how all things are lawfull for some men nay are virtues nay a duty and the more exorbitant you are the more excellent as not fearing the persons of men so farre is it from contemning Authority Can you hardly reade English and so not likely to understand the language of the Law in French or Latine Or are you a fool and do not understand the reason of the Law Or have you a minde to rule arbitrarily your self why then you may rail and petition against the Law according to the judgement of some to have it pull'd down Yet this is not malignity though so long and by so much Authority setled though it be an Ax to cut off the neck of all Authority at one blow Have the Dominions of England and Ireland a minde to reward the services of their principal Commander with the honour of Protector why you may nay you are bound say some to bear their Testimony against it and yet I never heard that Collonel Laurence was so offended as to vindicate Authority against these in print if the least crum go but awry with him he may have Petitions framed remonstrate consult complain and yet be no Incendiary O that Achilles mother had dipt us all that so we might have become invulnerable But alas we are of Adams image sinfull and naked like him Indeed if Collonel Laurence has suffer'd for his Obedience by the Author of the Case of Transplantation he may glory in it as being the first Martyr of his Judgement upon the fyle for such a
lesse confidently or resolve to speak more truly Though your passion may prompt you to contradict me yet let your reason curb you from thus grosly contradicting your self 5. Observe That though you may perceive Collonel Laurence to be a very learned man by the many Books he quotes in his Tract as the Act of Settlement Further Instructions Orders c. Yet he has been very unhappy in his apprehension of them as many times great Readers have small judgements for the truth is Authority in that Act of Settlement in the part cited by him speaks not of transplanting those that were in Rebellion or had advised assisted abetted c. into Connaught but somewhat further even out of the world as you may see the words in the close of the Act of Settlement Artic. 1. All those before nay those who have contributed Money or Victuals which they cannot make appear to have been taken away from them by meer force shall be excepted from pardon of life and estate How shall we salve this cruell capital mistake for Collonel Laurence truly I know no way but this That though this be not an account of Collonel Laurence's reason it is of his faith that he is no Sadducee he holds there are Spirits and that they can walk and may be transplanted and possesse Estates Yet I believe because they are Spirits they need not such bodily provisions as we doe and therefore are to be sent into Connaught 6. There has been lately a Petition by some in several Counties in Ireland preferr'd to the Authority there that the Irish might be generally transplanted because the Orders of the Councel of State did so require It seems I am not single in the construction of those Orders I have the longer insisted on this for that it is the hinge of the whole controversie between the Respondent and me who fals vehemently upon me that I should abuse Authority with an Act they never intended inforcing this every where into his Book and imposing it upon the Reader with such ardour and frequency that he is almost afraid not to think it to be true yet upon examination of Records it appears false his own testimonies make him give up the Bucklers and upon those proofs I crave the sentence of all unprejudicated persons Whether I had not reason being a Member of the Parliament and for Ireland to represent my sense to them of such an Order as Collonel Laurence will not abuse them with once intending to act in Or whether he had just provocation so to abuse me and himself too This then which he cals my mistake proves to be his and he cals it my first which acknowledgement from an opponent is worthy of thanks but he must excuse me from making him the like civil return for it is not his first by a great many There is one Objection against me from Pag. 9. and 10. of his Book that supposing the Orders to be general however there is no such thing in preparation or practice in Ireland but rather that they have admitted conscientious and prudent debates concerning it To which I answer 1. Then it seems they condemned general transplanting and I desired and endeavoured only against that I hope then Authority there will not own Col. Laurence's clamours against me who moved in their own sphere nor censure my subserviency to themselves 2. Collonel Laurence told you they had Orders out of England for doing this and I do not understand what place is left for the consultation of Inferiours after the determination of Superiours especially who cry up their own obedience so much as he Let him answer this Objection I cannot for him 3. But now he speaks more broadly and sayes They are resolved on a particular Transplantation and you saw England resolved on a general which is to say he resolves not to obey some men may say any thing but I tremblingly now repeat it after him 4. If this be the resolution I know not that I deserved such rude thanks for endeavouring to obtain an Order for it But however I shall be glad of the event being possest of my poor design in it and leave it to some more turbulent humour to dispute whether it be by Order or not 5. 'T is his Resolution and 't is not his Resolution It is his Resolution for the present but it may be not for the time to come The Transplantation may be but particular now but it may be general hereafter Hear his intimation of it pag. 10. of his Book When sayes he there shall as much reason appear for transplanting the whole as a part then the Discusser may offer his Arguments and the Actors their Answers but for the present no such preparation He tels you only then what is resolved at the present not what may be acted for the future when any man starts new reasons but p. 17. he speaks more plainly whether all shall go at one time or not sayes he is disputable 6. Consider if this be likely whatever may be done at present from these two Propositions put together He tels you Pag. 17. lin. 19. the Irish to be transplanted are not the 20th part of the Nation nay so inconsiderable they cannot be mist but as one friend may misse another and yet almost all Connaught is laid out for them Let us proceed to what he cals my second Mistake which is as he saith my Arguments against a promiscuous Transplantation without respect to merit or behaviour and that sayes he is not so In answer to which consider First I think it had been a Mistake to have written for a Transplantation without respect to merit c. But I conceive none to oppose it Secondly If it was a mistake in me to write for it it will be a greater in him to act for it which yet he professes to do and I am glad he complies with me in his deeds though he seems to be at variance by his words Thirdly If the Orders ran for a generall Transplantation then for a promiscuous one doubtlesse for non-promiscuous makes a difference and general supposes none but the first was proved before and therefore the second needs no proof now Fourthly As the Resolution is pious in the Authority there to make a distinction so I wish the Obedience may be cheerfull in the Executioners to perform it the merit is so small on the Irish part that their rewards will be more just then costly But unlesse this Rule be better kept generally for the time to come then it has been in some particulars that I could name for the time past but I am confident without the fault or so much as knowledge of Authority we shall have no cause to boast of our signall recompences nor the possessors to rejoyce in them But I have better hopes for the time to come to resolve well is to begin to do well and this the Gentleman professes and I shall in charity believe him till his actions
disingage me Fifthly Then it appears that this is no poisoned Arrow shot by me at Authority as he sayes Pag. 10. of his Book but rather that his censure is a bolt of his too soon let flie at me My third Mistake he tels you is that I think Transplantation was principally proposed as a punishment for murther and thereupon grounds a large Discourse c. Answ. 1. I was not so foolish to think my self so wise as to pretend to know the reason of Transplantation which though I have since heard the Respondent speak 't is my dulnesse I do not even now conceive but then though I believe the State has reason for it above my apprehension or if they had not I should yet in duty submit looking upon it as a work to my poor capacity of very threatning consequence I thought if it were done it must be on very constringent motives and I thought there were none more binding then Religion Profit and Safety the first of which I prosecuted from Pag. 1. to the 15. under which head comes the passage that he assaults here 2. Collonel Laurence will be but an ill Souldier if he cannot discern his friends from his enemies What confusion may he bring upon an Army 1. It cannot be my ground for he confesses I reason against it 2. But it is one that I have heard from those of his judgement often inculcated and I believe he that denies this to be the reason will not suddenly be prepar'd to assign a better 3. He is again mistaken for this that Transplantation was done on the account of punishment was not a position but a supposition not an assertion fastned on Authority or any one else but an indefinite Objection which might have been used by any body and it may be was by some body or if not yet might have been or may be and it shews only his care that writ the Case of Transplantation not to pretermit any thing that might possibly be said against him so farre was he from his Antagonists humour to slide by all the Arguments against him as impertinencies which different proceeding it may be was that which most offended this Gentleman looking on it as his own reproach 4. He sayes This was not the Reason of Transplantation then it seems there is one reason lesse for it then I thought there had been 5. If it was not it might have been It may be the Respondent did not perceive its force and so not knowing how it could serve his turn disbanded it for certainly he has either not much reason to spare in this controversie or it lies in ambush for us and indeed I should be much surpriz'd to see it 6. I have only his bare word That punishment was not a principle of Transplantation and so first I am left to my good nature whether I will believe him or no 2. I have no temptation to believe him for then I must believe my self a malignant incendiary c. having the same Author for both 3. I have reason not to believe him for 1. He was in Irelan and this Order came from England and therefore was not at the debates and so could not know the motives further then it should expresse them it self which it does not And yet in the confidence of this Negative Argument he is ready to cry victoria pag. 11. where having cited the words of the Act of Settlement he triumphs thus Is there in all this one word of tending to ground-transplantation upon principles of punishment Just as if I should argue Is there in all this one word of reason given for Transplantation as indeed there is not therefore Authority had not one reason for their action Or as if I should say there is scarcely a line of sense in Col. Laurences Book from whence another should collect there is scarce any sense in Col. Laurence What a desperate Conclusion would this be But 2. Though it was not exprest that it was their reason yet he could not tell that it was not for as they do not affirm it so they do not deny it they might disclose some of their reasons and conceal others 3. I would know if the Irish had not thus trespassed whether they should have been transplanted If he say No as he must and does Pag. 11. then their Transplantation was the effect of their Rebellion and what is punishment but the effect of sinne But he saith it was to preserve the English and might it not be for to punish the Irish too May not one cause have many effects Were not the English preserv'd by the slaughter of the Irish Armies and yet they punisht for their Rebellion too O wonderfull acutenesse of judgement that can thus divide a hair that can oppose things subordinate nay inseparable For could the English be safe without the punishment of the Irish Why then was not so much bloud and treasure saved Am I now mistaken Or am I not rather taken amisse 7. After all this bustling which was onely to shew his strength and that he will be compell'd to nothing yet to shew he is master of good nature to and can be flexible he meekly resigns up the Conclusion at the foot of Pag. 11. admitting this in some degree to be done upon the account of punishment But his inducement is remarkable For the further clearing up the Justice and Rationality of this work i. e. Transplantation admit c. He confesses he cannot fully clear up the Justice and Rationality of this work without admitting it to have been done on a principle of punishment and yet was displeased with my saying it was done on this principle that is because I did not say this work was unjust and irrational And now in meer compassion to my credit and his own ease he resolves to discover no more of my mistakes I would he would be equally courteous to himself and discover no more of his own neither But now Tam Marti quam Mercurio The Historian throws away his Gown and the Collonel draws his Sword he is Polemical as well as Practical Like a Plaintane leaf as he heals on one side so he draws on t'other as he has smiles for his favourites so he has frowns for his enemies Among whom he has the greatest Antipathy against the Author of the Case of Transplantation that is anger of which there can be assigned no reason With whom he is resolved to dispute pro and con 1. Introducing his Arguments against me And secondly Resolving to answer most of my swaying Reasons that is I suppose those that he can best make answer to and are least swaying In the pursuing this design of his I must here premise this one thing that I do not condemn Authority but acquit my felf that I am not opposing what they shall do but maintaining what I have formerly said that I censure not their actions which are good but Collonel Laurence's Reason's which are bad That though Transplantation be
he judges it best to put it to the tryall before the Army disband Rep. 1. He is kind he will not force men upon impossibilities but by his good leave I think he offers a little force to sense for if a man be forc't on 't 't is possible if it be impossible the force is so likewise 2. If it be a desperate hazard he will not force them this is kinder yet he deals as he would be dealt with he loves not desperate hazards 3. But the condition of this present Obligation is That the above bounden Richard Laurence be convinc't of these things otherwise this Act and Deed of his to be null and of no force This will I fear rescind his former Concessions There are but two wayes of convincing a man by reason or experiment the first has been used and though he cannot answer it yet he can reject it I can advise him no other way then the second That he vouchsafe the persons transplanted his company in a sutable equipage to them and that will better inform him of the hazards 4. But if they will turn Tories he saith 't is best put it quickly to the tryal His answer ought to have been That this is not a way to make them Tories but it seems his reason can dictate no such thing to him and therefore he must try it before he can answer you till when he grants the Conclusion But Sir some trials are dangerous as if fire will burn and such things it is better to keep from tryal you have forgot you said before that Tories have been so destructive to our Armies now you will have our Army be as destructive to them but yet I perceive you are wise for your self it is enough for you to give counsel the executing of it as a Legacy you kindely bequeath to others the Army must try before more be dissbanded But why may not Collonel Laurence try it after who fears not disbanding No the Ape will have coals out of the fire but she will pull them out with the Cats foot This Gentleman is like a Cypher joyned with an Army he adds much to them but take him by himself and he signifies just nothing 5. In stead of answering he wonders pag. 20 that the businesse of Transplantation should engage them to a new war so slight a thing and yet pag. 19. he sayes It is not strange that they should resent it more then death it self and gives many reasons for it Strange that they should fight against it and yet not strange that they should die against it Apollo reconcile me these two Thus 't is done in a word Collonel Laurence had rather die then fight it seems The Respondent affects confusion as much in word as deed and therefore has suffered two Objections to straggle from their company to the rear of his Book Pag. 26. which I shall desire to march up into their proper place that so I may take a view of them with the rest here and the Reader see the whole strength he musters at one view 1. The last and great Objection he sayes is the impossibility of Transplantation which I prove not he thinks but impliedly 1. In saying they may have still a dram of rebellious bloud left And secondly That the power and strength of England is but a scare-crow and Hat on a stick fit to drive Geese To the first he answers it may shew it difficult but not impossible because they can let that out and for the second his Answer is to the same or no purpose Reply 1. I must take off the calumny the Respondent layes on me That I resemble the power of England to a scare-crow or a Hat on a stick fit to drive Geese Is it not enough that he feigns me to abuse Authority in Ireland But he will compell my words to an abuse of the Authority of England Strange ignorance never to understand me or malice alwayes to pervert me When will he leave wronging himself for me he cannot 1. Scare-crow is a word of his own foisting in 2. There is not a word spoken there in that passage of Authority either in England or Ireland To any person of an uncraz'd brain my meaning was very obvious that the Irish would not go according to Orders nor drive by force for so that innocent Proverb only signifies and is as harmlesse as those creatures I used in the comparison I have too high an esteem of the Army to give them such language I know their worth and the greatnesse of their actions and sufferings in Ireland of which I wish they may be near an end to enjoy rewards proportionable to their very great deserts 2. He had no reason to be offended that I did suppose a dram of rebellious bloud to lie still in the Irish I would there were no more But he is hard to be pleased if I speak charitably of them then I am a friend to the Irish and if I speak ill of them then I am an enemy to the English and incite the Irish to rebell and as he uses me just so he does them For when he must justifie Transplantation then they are the wickedest people in the world but at another time pretty honest There are two passages which brought together make him a good Advocate for the Irish pag. 11. of his Book he sayes All Persons that had contrived advised promoted assisted or abetted the Rebellion must transplant yet Pag. 19. he sayes Those to go will hardly be mist being not near the twentieth part of the people besides Souldiers Now surely we have done the good honest people wrong all this while for we slandered them as if few of them were honest and it seems not above the twentieth part were otherwise well but all their honesty shall not save them from going to Connaught and so he makes us amends for the commendations he gave them 3. I said 't is impossible to make them go if they would not To which he answers 'T is not impossible for he can let out this dram of Rebellious bloud in them What then And will that make them go or not They will not go when they are alive and can they go after they are dead He cannot make them when 't is possible but he will make them go when 't is impossible He does ill sure This is the third time as I remember that he has frightned us with these Stories of dead folks walking 4. Did not I prove this and he approves it likewise when I shew'd they abhor'd this more then death it self Can you compell a man to an act that prefers death before it Compell him before you cannot he will die or you can but kill him compell him after you cannot he is dead I have given a single Answer to both his because they shrink into one likewise and for his making me the encourager of a second Rebellion I think that worth none like a Hedge-hog 't is his nature to
the best not the last word and this resolution will shrink what of his Book is fit afterward to be answered into a very little room the carkass being but small when the guts and garbadge are thrown away My civility obligeth me to wait upon him in the way but not to tumble with him into the kennell The first piece of justice that I owe to my self is to wipe off an aspersion cast on me by the Prologue that ushered Col. Laurence Book on the Stage which though I shall not at random make him the Author of I may prove my self not to have deserved And this is no ill place for it now I am at the Bar to answer if I can altogether Letters in the Diurnall come from Ireland which tell us That there are certain summes of Money raising for Irish Agents in England among whom the Author of the Case of Transplantation is believed to have a considerable summe a reward propor●ionable unto the greatness of his deserts from them First The Author presents his most deserved thanks to the kinde Gentleman if he be one for his gratefull intelligence which he professeth else he had been a stranger still unto notwithstanding so nearly concerning him unless his civility had thus informed him Secondly He is bold upon the account of his former unprovoked goodness to a stranger to request a new favour for one whom he now knows namely that he would be pleased to enquire more fully after that report doubting it may be too good news to be true and if he be so happy to finde it out and please but to give the Author of the Case of Transplantation an assurance of the truth of it from himself and please but to take off his vizard and shew who himself is the Author of the Case doth hereby engage himself to call that Gentleman to an account for the slander if he will not him for the bribery and this he hopes may provoke him either to make good his impeachment or by his silence to ascertain others of his malice but it is to be doubted that person hath got more by Lying there then I ever have or shall by staying here And I do here not only challenge him but all persons in the world to prove that since ever I served the State I was corrupted by the value of a penny but have for their service expended many pounds of my own I return now to Col. Laurence whose resolution I cannot but admire in the beginning of his Book or rather his irresolution in receding from the Title to his Book there he promises an Answer to that scandalous seditious Pamphlet as he is pleased modestly to call the Case of Transplantation penned by me And indeed I must confess if it were a scandalous seditious Pamphlet he hath answered it in some sense that is as the image in the glass answers the face out of it or the Echo the voice by composing a rhapsody as like a scandalous seditious Pamphlet as possibly may be nay I will grant him more he hath really made most of my Book appear false that is he hath represented very many things not truly But if he be serious then he did well in his Title to say he intended it as an Answer but ill to change his intentions before he had disengaged his word pawnd for here he tels you on the contrary p. 1 2. that he will not give an orderly Answer to the discussors Arguments and Objections as they stand and it seems for him are like to do so still in his Book but for brevities sake pass them by as impertinencies And that he may not take notice of the aspersions and reflexions cast by me on Authority 1. I desire the Reader to reflect on the heads of my Arguments what they were before he do on his censure of their impertinency They are Considerations drawn 1. From Religion p. 1. 2 From publique profit p. 15. 3. From publique safety p. 20. Is Religion publiquely disclaimed as an impertinency by Col. Laurence Is the Interest of the State Adventurer Souldier Planter Inhabitant a trifle fit to be husht up by him who pretends to be their Champion against me Must the security of all be laid by too to swell his ●ardle of impertinencies Strange What a wilderness will he make of Ireland which hath been all this while his Land of promise and waded to through a red sea of blood A Land where neither Religion shall be regarded by them as Christians nor advantage thought on as men nor security respected as creatures This is a new modell of a Church and State beyond either Plato or Sr Thomas Moores conceptions Sure the world in the Moon have this Government among them which is the cause of her so frequent changes But I believe the godly that intend for Ireland will look on Religion with another eye and the estated man will think profit a very pertinent argument to promote his journey and safety I suppose when they come there will not be lookt on as so loose a thing by any In the mean time 't is but a sad consideration that follows Col. Laurence's Ho yes for Ireland that he is of such a judgement that invites them thither that he regards neither Arguments drawn from Religion Interest or Safety by what Arguments shall they move him when he has them there 2. Surely this was a good brief way indeed a short method of answering all the books in the world in a moment to wave their Arguments as impertinencies for brevity sake But it is only orderly answering that he avoids This sure is a stratagem from warre the stoutest souldiers love alwayes to charge scattered troops But Sir you should have first routed my Arguments why what needs that he has disordered them without that O that the weakest Armies could be but used as the strongest reasons then Collonel Laurences sword might be as famous as his pen what victories should we have which now we must rest our selves content to want Surely I expected where so much was promised some performances the Reader will not be converted without better demonstrations from you and if you carry the Transplantation he 'll think 't was by reason of your force not by the force of your reason but you do it to be courteous to me to passe by my reflections on Authority c. Surely if your kindenesse have observed so many of my defects in this kinde for every leaf almost is dapled with malicious scandalous slanderous weak malignant impudent incendiary c. 't was well for me your cruelty was asleep you have hidden this fault as a Lady does a little pimple by placing over it a great spot which makes her more remark't how ill or deservedly that will hereafter appear Leaving Reason therefore he descends to write a History 1. Of the Authority by which this was done 2. The Reasons of it 3. The Manner in it 4. My Mistakes and then with a single