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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
reason_n	answer_n	answer_v	objection_n	2,644	5	9.4165	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85387	Cata-baptism: or new baptism, waxing old, and ready to vanish away. In two parts. The former containes LVIII. considerations, (with their respective proofs, and consectaries) pregnant for the healing of the common scruples touching the subject of baptism, and manner of baptizing. The latter, contains an answer to a discours against infant-baptism, published not long since by W.A. under the title of, Some baptismall abuses brielfy discovered, &c. In both, sundry things, not formerly insisted on, are discovered and discussed. / By J.G. a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.	Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.	1655 (1655)	Wing G1155; Thomason E849_1; ESTC R207377	373,602	521

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any_o person_n whasoever_o of_o the_o favour_n of_o god_n in_o general_a towards_o person_n to_o be_v baptize_v nor_o do_v they_o ever_o deny_v but_o that_o such_o a_o profession_n may_v be_v necessary_a for_o some_o other_o cause_n beside_o a_o information_n of_o man_n be_v in_o the_o favour_n of_o god_n whether_o general_a or_o special_a so_o that_o the_o former_a part_n of_o this_o latter_a answer_n be_v a_o mere_a impertinency_n 2._o whereas_o he_o suppose_v and_o in_o effect_n say_v that_o baptizer_n have_v no_o reason_n to_o conceive_v person_n to_o be_v in_o a_o present_a capacity_n of_o baptism_n itself_o unless_o they_o have_v reason_n likewise_o to_o conceive_v they_o in_o a_o present_a capacity_n of_o the_o end_n and_o benefit_n of_o baptism_n i_o answer_v 1._o if_o by_o a_o present_a capacity_n he_o mean_v a_o capacity_n which_o be_v at_o present_a vest_v and_o find_v in_o the_o subject_n in_o this_o sense_n child_n be_v in_o a_o present_a capacity_n of_o the_o end_n and_o 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principle_n yea_o baptism_n as_o we_o have_v oft_o hear_v be_v describe_v by_o its_o relation_n unto_o repentance_n not_o unto_o faith_n as_o the_o more_o proper_a and_o signal_n qualifier_n of_o the_o two_o for_o its_o reception_n therefore_o that_o faith_n which_o be_v not_o accompany_v in_o the_o same_o subject_n with_o repentance_n be_v not_o of_o that_o kind_n or_o species_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v require_v in_o person_n in_o order_n to_o their_o baptise_v and_o consequent_o that_o faith_n which_o be_v in_o the_o lord_n christ_n not_o be_v thus_o accompany_v for_o he_o that_o never_o sin_v can_v not_o repent_v of_o his_o sin_n be_v not_o can_v not_o be_v of_o the_o same_o kind_n of_o faith_n with_o that_o require_v in_o other_o person_n again_o that_o kind_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v require_v of_o ordinary_a man_n and_o woman_n upon_o the_o account_n before_o we_o in_o all_o and_o every_o the_o particular_a and_o individual_a act_n and_o residing_n of_o it_o obtain_v remission_n of_o sin_n but_o the_o faith_n which_o be_v in_o christ_n obtain_v no_o remission_n of_o sin_n therefore_o it_o be_v a_o faith_n of_o a_o differ_a kind_n from_o the_o faith_n require_v of_o other_o person_n sect._n 184._o yet_o again_o upon_o that_o faith_n which_o be_v require_v in_o other_o person_n etc._n etc._n this_o law_n be_v impose_v by_o god_n in_o all_o and_o every_o the_o residing_n of_o it_o viz._n that_o upon_o the_o first_o come_v of_o it_o unto_o and_o work_v of_o it_o in_o the_o soul_n a_o profession_n or_o declaration_n of_o it_o ●b_v ●eopenly_o make_v by_o baptism_n this_o be_v mr._n a_n own_o a_o vouch_a doctrine_n in_o the_o premise_n and_o be_v also_o assert_v by_o he_o in_o the_o sequel_n of_o his_o present_a answer_n

a_o argument_n as_o well_o against_o the_o circumcise_n of_o infant_n under_o the_o law_n as_o against_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n under_o the_o gospel_n because_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n to_o suppose_v that_o circumcision_n shall_v have_v less_o answer_v the_o end_n thereof_o when_o apply_v to_o infant_n as_o there_o be_v to_o conceive_v that_o baptism_n shall_v less_o answer_v its_o end_n when_o it_o be_v apply_v to_o infant_n and_o yet_o we_o well_o know_v that_o this_o be_v no_o bar_n to_o infant-circumcision_a then_o and_o therefore_o why_o shall_v it_o be_v any_o against_o their_o baptism_n now_o this_o argument_n or_o objection_n be_v the_o great_a dread_n and_o abhor_v of_o mr._n a_n soul_n fear_v it_o seem_v lest_o his_o second_o argument_n against_o infant-baptism_n shall_v die_v by_o the_o hand_n of_o it_o and_o the_o truth_n be_v that_o be_v it_o yet_o alive_a he_o have_v reason_n enough_o for_o such_o his_o fear_n but_o we_o have_v see_v it_o a_o dead_a corpse_n already_o a_o body_n of_o word_n without_o any_o soul_n of_o sound_a reason_n or_o truth_n in_o it_o and_o how_o vain_a a_o thing_n be_v it_o to_o be_v solicitous_a about_o the_o rescue_n of_o a_o dead_a man_n life_n from_o the_o hand_n of_o a_o enemy_n nor_o be_v it_o so_o proper_a when_o a_o man_n have_v lose_v his_o life_n by_o one_o hand_n for_o any_o man_n to_o undertake_v to_o prove_v that_o have_v he_o escape_v this_o hand_n yet_o he_o will_v have_v fall_v by_o another_o notwithstanding_o since_o we_o have_v in_o our_o canvasse_n of_o the_o say_a argument_n now_o and_o then_o intersprinkle_v somewhat_o of_o that_o notion_n i_o mean_v about_o the_o proportion_n between_o infant-circumcision_a and_o infant-baptism_n the_o disparagement_n whereof_o mr._n a._n here_o undertake_v let_v we_o see_v mr._n a_n objection_n and_o his_o answer_n play_v a_o little_a before_o we_o sect._n 121._o his_o objection_n as_o you_o have_v hear_v plead_v that_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n to_o suppose_v that_o circumcision_n shall_v have_v less_o answer_v the_o end_n thereof_o when_o apply_v to_o infant_n as_o there_o be_v to_o conceive_v that_o baptism_n shall_v less_o answer_v its_o end_n when_o apply_v unto_o infant_n etc._n etc._n this_o mr._n a_n answer_n deni_v and_o no_o marvel_n for_o what_o shall_v it_o else_o do_v unless_o it_o mean_v to_o be_v a_o answer_n by_o concession_n only_o but_o nothing_o be_v more_o easy_a then_o to_o deny_v but_o in_o many_o case_n to_o give_v a_o substanticall_a account_n of_o a_o man_n denial_n hic_fw-la labour_n hoc_fw-la opus_fw-la est_fw-la this_o will_v try_v the_o ingenuity_n and_o strength_n of_o a_o man_n and_o at_o this_o turn_n mr._n a._n with_o his_o answer_n fail_v for_o of_o all_o the_o three_o ground_n or_o reason_n which_o he_o commend_v unto_o we_o for_o that_o his_o denial_n there_o be_v none_o competent_a to_o justify_v it_o first_o be_v say_v p._n 26._o that_o circumcision_n and_o the_o covenant_n to_o which_o it_o relate_v remain_v in_o the_o flesh_n of_o he_o who_o be_v circumcise_v all_o the_o day_n of_o his_o life_n as_o visible_a to_o he_o and_o as_o capable_a of_o improvement_n to_o spiritual_a end_n many_o year_n after_o it_o be_v make_v as_o if_o it_o have_v be_v but_o new_o act_v and_o do_v before_o his_o eye_n whereas_o baptism_n be_v a_o transient_a act_n and_o leave_v no_o such_o visible_a impression_n in_o the_o infant_n as_o matter_n of_o memorial_n signification_n or_o instruction_n unto_o he_o when_o he_o come_v to_o be_v a_o man_n as_o that_o of_o circumcision_n do_v so_o that_o w●_n see_v there_o be_v not_o the_o like_a reason_n but_o a_o apparent_a difference_n in_o this_o respect_n but_o for_o answer_v to_o this_o 1._o the_o remain_v of_o circumcision_n in_o the_o flesh_n of_o the_o circumcise_a as_o matter_n of_o memorial_n signification_n etc._n etc._n can_v be_v no_o reason_n why_o infant_n be_v appoint_v by_o god_n to_o be_v circumcise_v because_o have_v man_n only_o be_v circumcise_v their_o circumcision_n will_v have_v remain_v every_o whit_n as_o much_o or_o rather_o more_o in_o their_o flesh_n and_o have_v be_v altogether_o as_o competent_a matter_n of_o memorial_n signification_n and_o instruction_n unto_o they_o as_o now_o it_o be_v be_v receive_v in_o their_o infancy_n nor_o be_v it_o any_o advantage_n unto_o they_o by_o way_n of_o memorial_n signification_n etc._n etc._n during_o all_o the_o time_n of_o their_o infancy_n or_o until_o they_o come_v to_o year_n of_o discretion_n so_o that_o in_o this_o respect_n the_o end_n of_o baptism_n by_o way_n of_o memorial_n signification_n instruction_n etc._n etc._n be_v as_o well_o answer_v as_o full_o attain_v by_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n as_o the_o same_o or_o like_a end_n of_o circumcision_n be_v attain_v by_o the_o circumcise_n of_o infant_n sect._n 122._o 2._o whereas_o he_o say_v that_o circumcision_n remain_v in_o the_o flesh_n as_o visible_a to_o he_o that_o be_v circumcise_v etc._n etc._n if_o he_o will_v be_v understand_v general_o and_o with_o reference_n to_o all_o person_n whatsoever_o that_o be_v circumcise_v i_o know_v not_o what_o ground_n he_o have_v so_o to_o affirm_v for_o what_o think_v he_o of_o the_o circumcision_n in_o the_o flesh_n of_o isaac_n after_o his_o eye_n be_v dim_a &_o that_o he_o can_v not_o see_v gen._n 27._o 1._o &_o so_o of_o the_o circumcision_n of_o he_o that_o be_v bear_v blind_a joh._n 9_o be_v these_o visible_a unto_o they_o there_o be_v the_o same_o consideration_n of_o the_o circumcision_n of_o all_o that_o be_v blind_a among_o the_o jew_n beside_o if_o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o there_o be_v any_o man_n in_o this_o nation_n as_o corpulent_a as_o eglon_n judg._n 3._o 17._o seem_v to_o have_v be_v their_o circumcision_n be_v hardly_o visible_a unto_o they_o unless_o haply_o by_o reflection_n in_o a_o look_a glass_n and_o yet_o doubtless_o the_o circumcision_n of_o all_o these_o be_v as_o competent_a matter_n of_o memorial_n signification_n etc._n etc._n unto_o they_o as_o the_o circumcision_n of_o those_o to_o who_o it_o be_v visible_a therefore_o baptism_n though_o not_o visible_a in_o the_o flesh_n to_o the_o baptise_a may_v notwithstanding_o be_v as_o pregnant_a matter_n of_o memorial_n signification_n etc._n etc._n unto_o they_o as_o circumcision_n be_v at_o least_o unto_o many_o notwithstanding_o any_o such_o visibilitie_n in_o it_o as_o mr._n a._n pretend_v 3._o neither_o do_v the_o scripture_n any_o where_n insist_v upon_o any_o such_o visibilitie_n of_o circumcision_n as_o any_o such_o advantage_n unto_o the_o circumcise_a as_o mr_n a._n conceit_v nor_o do_v god_n any_o where_n exhort_v counsel_n or_o command_v any_o circumcise_a person_n to_o look_v with_o the_o eye_n of_o his_o flesh_n upon_o his_o circumcision_n either_o to_o he_o put_v in_o mind_n of_o or_o to_o be_v instruct_v in_o any_o thing_n signify_v thereby_o therefore_o a_o external_a visibilitie_n be_v no_o scripture-difference_n between_o circumcision_n and_o baptism_n nor_o indeed_o be_v it_o in_o itself_o any_o such_o difference_n which_o shall_v make_v the_o former_a any_o whit_n more_o spiritual_o advantageous_a unto_o the_o subject_n thereof_o than_o the_o latter_a baptism_n unto_o its_o subject_n so_o that_o this_o difference_n be_v only_o a_o impertinent_a shift_n think_v upon_o and_o talk_v of_o by_o the_o adversary_n of_o infant-baptism_n to_o relieve_v their_o cause_n against_o such_o a_o argument_n which_o grind_v it_o to_o powder_v 4._o whereas_o mr._n a._n advance_v his_o discourse_n in_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n in_o these_o word_n p._n 26._o nor_o can_v it_o be_v true_o say_v that_o either_o the_o report_n of_o parent_n or_o neighbour_n or_o any_o parish_n or_o other_o register_n be_v or_o can_v be_v equivalent_a unto_o the_o sign_n in_o the_o flesh_n before_o mention_v as_o to_o the_o ascertain_v of_o man_n and_o woman_n of_o their_o be_v baptize_v in_o their_o infancy_n 1._o because_o there_o be_v not_o the_o like_a certainty_n nor_o satisfaction_n in_o report_n and_o hear_v say_v as_o there_o be_v in_o see_v and_o behold_v which_o difference_n notwithstanding_o we_o have_v in_o the_o two_o case_n in_o hand_n 2._o because_o opportunity_n of_o such_o satisfaction_n as_o these_o report_n be_v capable_a of_o give_v may_v be_v cut_v off_o by_o the_o death_n or_o other_o removal_n of_o such_o from_o who_o it_o be_v to_o be_v receive_v or_o else_o by_o the_o removal_n of_o such_o infant_n themselves_o into_o place_n far_o remote_a before_o ever_o they_o come_v to_o age_n etc._n etc._n he_o only_o sew_v a_o few_o figleaf_n together_o to_o cover_v the_o nakedness_n of_o his_o cause_n for_o sect._n 123._o 1._o in_o the_o begin_n of_o this_o transcription_n he_o reproach_v that_o law_n of_o the_o live_a god_n establish_v by_o he_o long_o since_o under_o moses_n and_o repeat_v by_o

doctrine_n stand_v or_o fall_v mr._n a_n doctrine_n that_o baptism_n appropriate_o belong_v to_o the_o pardon_n of_o sin_n upon_o repentance_n etc._n etc._n be_v a_o notion_n quite_o beside_o the_o scripture-foundation_n to_o which_o it_o pretend_v that_o baptism_n be_v style_v the_o baptism_n of_o repentance_n for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n do_v no_o way_n prove_v that_o it_o appropriate_o belong_v either_o to_o pardon_v of_o sin_n or_o to_o repentance_n or_o to_o pardon_v of_o sin_n upon_o repentance_n yet_o this_o he_o attempt_v to_o make_v good_a by_o a_o second_o argument_n give_v we_o he_o a_o patient_a hear_n of_o this_o also_o sect._n 178._o 2._o say_v he_o the_o love_n of_o god_n be_v the_o mediate_a ground_n of_o baptism_n so_o far_o only_o as_o it_o relate_v to_o or_o be_v effective_a of_o the_o 45_o mr._n a._n p._n 45_o good_a of_o man_n in_o baptism_n for_o the_o reception_n of_o baptism_n be_v not_o otherwise_o to_o be_v esteem_v a_o effect_n of_o god_n love_n then_o as_o the_o good_a and_o benefit_n of_o man_n be_v concern_v therein_o that_o which_o christ_n speak_v of_o the_o sabbath_n how_o that_o it_o be_v for_o man_n mar._n 2._o 27._o i._n for_o the_o good_a of_o man_n be_v true_a of_o baptism_n and_o every_o 44._o mr._n a._n p._n 44._o other_o ordinance_n and_o institution_n of_o god_n in_o as_o much_o then_o as_o baptism_n be_v not_o beneficial_a unto_o any_o but_o by_o mean_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o answer_v of_o a_o good_a conscience_n and_o in_o as_o much_o also_o that_o infant_n be_v not_o under_o this_o capacity_n of_o mean_n both_o which_o i_o have_v former_o evident_o prove_v therefore_o it_o follow_v undeniable_o that_o god_n do_v not_o love_v infant_n upon_o any_o such_o term_n as_o he_o do_v those_o unto_o who_o he_o commend_v and_o communicate_v his_o love_n in_o and_o by_o baptism_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o love_n which_o god_n bear_v to_o infant_n put_v they_o into_o no_o immediate_a capacity_n of_o baptism_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o thing_n in_o this_o bundle_n of_o discourse_n relate_v to_o mr._n a_n cause_n but_o what_o have_v be_v already_o cast_v into_o the_o fire_n and_o burn_v that_o every_o ordinance_n and_o institution_n of_o god_n and_o so_o baptism_n be_v for_o man_n in_o the_o sense_n declare_v by_o he_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o his_o adversary_n as_o well_o as_o he_o and_o make_v more_o for_o their_o cause_n than_o he_o for_o circumcision_n be_v in_o this_o sense_n for_o man_n and_o yet_o infant_n in_o the_o best_a capacity_n to_o receive_v it_o neither_o shall_v baptism_n be_v as_o much_o for_o man_n i._n for_o the_o good_a of_o man_n as_o now_o it_o be_v in_o case_n infant_n be_v not_o in_o a_o regular_a capacity_n to_o receive_v it_o not_o to_o repeat_v what_o have_v be_v former_o insist_v on_o and_o prove_v upon_o this_o account_n as_o viz._n that_o baptism_n receive_v in_o infancy_n be_v a_o seasonable_a and_o preventive_a engagement_n upon_o they_o to_o remember_v their_o creator_n in_o the_o day_n of_o their_o youth_n for_o infant_n be_v the_o same_o the_o same_o person_n in_o their_o infancy_n and_o in_o their_o youth_n 161._o youth_n see_v sect._n 161._o as_o likewise_o that_o infant-baptism_n make_v more_o for_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o church_n than_o the_o contrary_a practice_n 160._o practice_n see_v sect._n 56_o 57_o 73_o 156_o 160._o and_o again_o that_o it_o be_v more_o improvable_a to_o spiritual_a end_n than_o after-baptism_n c_o with_o some_o other_o particular_n of_o like_a import_n i_o shall_v here_o only_o subjoin_v that_o meditation_n of_o calvin_n how_o sweet_a a_o thing_n say_v he_o be_v it_o to_o the_o mind_n of_o godly_a man_n to_o be_v assure_v not_o only_o by_o the_o word_n but_o also_o by_o a_o visible_a spectacle_n or_o sign_n that_o they_o have_v find_v so_o much_o favour_n in_o the_o eye_n of_o their_o heavenly_a father_n as_o that_o their_o posterity_n also_o be_v regard_v by_o he_o 32._o he_o quàm_fw-la enim_fw-la suave_fw-la piis_fw-la animus_fw-la non_fw-la verbo_fw-la tantum_fw-la sed_fw-la oculari_fw-la etiam_fw-la spectaculo_fw-la certiores_fw-la fieri_fw-la tantum_fw-la se_fw-la gratiae_fw-la apud_fw-la pat●em_fw-la co●lestem_fw-la obtinere_fw-la ut_fw-la posteritas_fw-la sva_fw-la illi_fw-la cura_fw-la sit_fw-la calv._n institut_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 16._o sect._n 32._o sect._n 179._o whereas_o he_o say_v that_o baptism_n be_v not_o beneficial_a unto_o any_o but_o by_o mean_n of_o their_o faith_n etc._n etc._n if_o his_o meaning_n be_v that_o it_o be_v not_o or_o prove_v not_o actual_o or_o eventual_o save_v unto_o any_o adulterous_a person_n but_o by_o mean_n of_o their_o faith_n the_o say_n have_v have_v a_o pass_n grant_v unto_o it_o before_o but_o neither_o be_v circumcision_n thus_o beneficial_a unto_o any_o without_o faith_n likewise_o as_o have_v be_v prove_v over_o and_o over_o and_o yet_o infant_n judge_v by_o god_n himself_o in_o a_o sufficient_a capacity_n to_o receive_v it_o if_o his_o meaning_n be_v that_o baptism_n be_v no_o way_n in_o no_o respect_n or_o degree_n beneficial_a unto_o any_o person_n without_o faith_n i_o must_v borrow_v his_o faith_n or_o some_o like_a unto_o it_o to_o believe_v it_o baptism_n without_o faith_n will_v open_v the_o door_n into_o any_o of_o the_o church_n which_o call_v themselves_o baptize_v and_o be_v it_o not_o very_o beneficial_a for_o a_o man_n to_o have_v a_o stand_v here_o or_o be_v it_o not_o possible_a for_o he_o to_o be_v true_o convert_v to_o the_o faith_n by_o mean_n of_o his_o come_n into_o one_o of_o these_o church_n and_o walk_v there_o if_o so_o then_o may_v a_o man_n baptism_n prove_v very_o beneficial_a unto_o he_o without_o faith_n i._o without_o faith_n in_o the_o receiver_n at_o the_o time_n of_o the_o receive_n it_o which_o i_o presume_v be_v a_o sense_n of_o perfect_a accord_n with_o mr._n a_n meaning_n however_o mr._n a_n answer_n to_o the_o argument_n before_o he_o as_o yet_o come_v on_o very_o 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