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A56038 Proposals for raising a million of money out of the forfeited estates in Ireland together, with the answer of the Irish to the same, and a reply thereto. 1694 (1694) Wing P3739; ESTC R4587 28,869 52

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as he is restored to his Estate to bar any Protestants Remainder and why the King should be in a worse condition than the Forfeiting Person would have been had he not forfeited I doubt will puzzle you to find a Reason for 12. Again with your Positive Determinations without answering one tittle of the Objections made against any Calculation that is or can be made by the Commissioners of the Revenue of Ireland 'T was indeed more prudent in you to slide this over than 't would have been to endeavour an Answer But be the Premises what they will you are sure to hold your Conclusion This Expedient will not answer the End ipse dixit You might in modesty have left out the words 't is plain when you have not given the least ground to think it probable but this is very plain that Six Thousand Pounds a Year returned as Ninescore at most for if I mistake not 't was returned but at Eightscore and Ten is foul play and many other instances there are of like Nature 13. Here you cut close 't is plain the Proposer and his Parties design is self-interest in taking Fee-farms and as plain that your great Concern is that the true Value of the Forfeitures may be known and the Government receive what they shall be given at good God! what Mettal are some Mens Foreheads made of How has this Act for Vesting the Forfeited Estates made Converts of the Irish they are all turned Williamites nay the most careful of their present Majesties Interest of any of their Subjects this is so gross that 't will not be swallow'd by those who would willingly believe some good of you if they could But Sir lest your insinuation of Self-interest in the Proposer and his Party should gain on some I 'll explain it to you Those who were willing to compass what you aim at that the Forfeitures of Ireland might not be Vested c. thought on a more plausible reason against it than any you have been Fortunate in That whatever the real Value is there would not be found Purchasers in England because they could not be sure of Tenants for the Lands they should Purchase nor could they be very good Judges of the Value the Lands not being set That the English of Ireland were not able to buy them and that therefore it could not be depended upon as a good Fund for a Million of Money to obviate which Objection the Proposer offers this expedient of the English becoming Tenants which they will either do paying full Value or leave the Lands untaken as to the Parliament shall appear most advantagious to England their Design being truly that of securing the English Interest of Ireland from the danger of a Rebellion which they apprehend very near and likewise a Justice to the English Nation who besides the great Charge it has undergone for Reducing Ireland manifested the greatest Affection to the miserable Refugees of that Country by their great Charity whereof Twenty Six Thousand were for a great while together partakers many of whom must have perished had they not been thus relieved 14. Well moved you have robbed and stript us to our skins have put England to near Two Millions Charge and would now perswade us to pay your Reckoning The English of Ireland will chearfully give the last Shilling they have towards the Support of this Government not in the least doubting but that what shall appear indispensibly necessary for their Safety will be done and that they are unanimously of Opinion that what is now proposed is so will need no other Proof than that many of them wait the success hereof before they resolve on resettling in Ireland if it fail you and your Patty will certainly have some of the good Penyworths you say they bought for I can assure you to my own knowledge there are those that will abate of the first Purchase 15. How many who were born to little or no Estates have made Fortunes in Ireland I know not but dare confidently aver that for one such there are ten English Families who at the time of the late Kings Accession to the Crown liv'd plentifully and well now begging their Bread and with this condition of Life they have no great reason to be contented but what makes it insupportable is that the Persons who plundered and ruined them do at this day before their Faces unjustly detain and they are justified in so doing what they so injuriously took from them but whatever you carry by strong hand do not think to palm your falshoods upon us An Irish Act of Parliament of our own forming our understandings were become truly Irish if 't was so for who can imagine that the Earl of C. should be restored to his Estate and other Estates almost of equal Value added to it for betraying Sir William St. Leger Lord President of Munster into an Opinion of his Fidelity and procuring Arms and Ammunition from him which he immediately turned on my Lord President and the English had this Act as is falsly alledged been formed by those in the English Interest That Coll. F. P. who in the Court of Claims was proved to have began Murthering the English at Fourteen years old to have continued all along the Rebellion in Arms and whose Mother was hanged for Murther and making Candles of the English Mens Fat should be restored to his the Marquess of A. and a hundred more as notorious Rebels as ever Sir Philime O Neile was to theirs by which it was very plain and by woful experience we know that your Tryal of Ordial was no more than Pissing a Bed But this Rebellion of Forty One was you say only a Conspiracy of Sir Philime O Neal and his Accomplices I 'll allow it but his Accomplices were entirely the Irish Nation were not Men Women and Children Murdered in every part of the Kingdom at once and with that Cruelty as would make any Man of Compassion tremble to think on Was any place free Or did any escape who fell under their Power Did not one of the Heads of that Rebellion when apprehended boast That the design was so far advanced by that time as it was impossible for the Wit of Man to prevent it Was this then only a Conspiracy of a Private Man and his Accomplices 'T is but Fifty Three Years since so that some living Witnesses yet remain who has often put me upon thinking what the meaning of this publickly avowing so notorious a Falshood can be for which I could never think of any other Reason than that by handing down these Falshoods to Posterity the next Age may with as much Confidence assert the Truth hereof as many now do that of the Gunpowder Plot being only a design of Vaux and some few Male-contents his Accomplices 16. Not so fast in quest of Mens dying in Rebellion taken after their death against Law and common Sense if you enquire you will find the Law of Ireland to be so and