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A19142 A fresh suit against human ceremonies in God's vvorship. Or a triplication unto. D. Burgesse his rejoinder for D. Morton The first part Ames, William, 1576-1633. 1633 (1633) STC 555; ESTC S100154 485,880 929

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argument_n from_o scripture_n p._n 87._o section_n 20.21_o concern_v reason_n against_o the_o negative_a argument_n from_o scripture_n p._n 99_o section_n 22._o concern_v the_o assumption_n of_o the_o main_a argument_n handle_v in_o this_o chapter_n p._n 107._o a_o table_n of_o the_o second_o chapter_n concern_v worship_n section_n 1._o of_o worship_n distinguish_v into_o proper_a or_o essential_a and_o unproper_a or_o accidental_a p._n 110._o section_n 2._o concern_v add_v to_o god_n worship_n p._n 115._o section_n 6._o concern_v our_o divine_n judgement_n about_o ceremonious_a worship_n invent_v by_o man_n p._n 125._o section_n 7._o concern_v vrsines_n and_o zanchies_n judgement_n about_o will-worship_n p._n 149._o section_n 8.9_o concern_v m_n r._n bradshaw_n argument_n to_o prove_v our_o ceremony_n impose_v as_o part_n of_o god_n worship_n p._n 158._o section_n 10.11.12.13.14_o concern_v some_o relic_n of_o argument_n father_v upon_o m_n r._n hy._n and_o other_o p._n 178._o a_o 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controversy_n betwixt_o protestant_n and_o papist_n p._n 309._o section_n 11._o concern_v the_o feast_n of_o purim_n p._n 315._o section_n 12._o concern_v the_o feast_n of_o dedication_n joh._n 10.22.23_o p._n 318._o section_n 15.16_o concern_v the_o altar_n of_o jordan_n p._n 322._o section_n 17.18.19.20.21_o concern_v the_o brazen_a altar_n build_v by_o solomon_n 1._o king_n 8.64_o p._n 328._o section_n 22._o concern_v synagogue_n p._n 332._o section_n 27._o concern_v the_o kiss_n of_o charity_n p._n 340._o section_n 28._o concern_v woman_n veil_n p._n 345._o section_n 29._o concern_v the_o ancient_a custom_n of_o significant_a ceremony_n among_o christian_n p._n 350._o section_n 31._o concern_v swear_n upon_o a_o book_n p._n 357._o section_n 32._o concern_v the_o lords-daye_n temple_n and_o ceremonial_a festival_n p._n 358._o a_o table_n of_o the_o four_o chapter_n concern_v idolatrous_a ceremony_n section_n 1._o about_o the_o form_n of_o this_o argument_n and_o the_o general_n answer_v give_v thereto_o p._n 366._o section_n 2._o concern_v the_o second_o commandment_n and_o scripture_n belong_v to_o it_o as_o leu._n 18.3_o etc._n etc._n p._n 369._o section_n 3._o concern_v pillar_n leu._n 26.1_o and_o the_o name_n baal_n hos._n 2.16.17_o p._n 379._o section_n 4._o concern_v the_o aequitie_n of_o the_o commandment_n former_o mention_v and_o calvin_n judgement_n about_o it_o p._n 384._o section_n 5._o concern_v daniel_n abstinence_n dan._n 1.8_o p._n 393._o section_n 6._o concern_v hezekias_o his_o break_v down_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n p._n 394._o a_o piece_n of_o a_o comparison_n betwixt_o the_o primitive_a and_o the_o present_a english_a church_n p._n 402._o in_o organical_a music_n p._n 404._o chancelour_n commissary_n etc._n etc._n p._n 406._o pompous_a bishop_n p._n 408._o call_v of_o minister_n p._n 411._o minister_n go_v to_o law_n for_o their_o place_n p._n 415._o pluralist_n nonresidents_a and_o dumb_a minister_n p._n 416._o simony_n p._n 418._o 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●_o e._n ut_fw-la primo_fw-la unus_fw-la &_o posteà_fw-la a●rus_fw-la loquatur_fw-la &_o perparte_v etc._n etc._n and_o as_o i_o amperswade_v more_o than_o either_o def._n or_o rejoynder_n can_v bring_v so_o to_o argue_v from_o this_o place_n as_o he_o do_v among_o the_o ancient_a schoolman_n it_o be_v hard_o to_o find_v where_o any_o one_o of_o they_o do_v conclude_v ceremony_n proper_a to_o religion_n out_o of_o this_o place_n thomas_n in_o his_o comm._n upon_o it_o do_v so_o interpret_v it_o that_o he_o leave_v no_o ground_n for_o any_o such_o conclusion_n honest_o 1._o e._n while_o one_o speak_v that_o other_o be_v silent_a paraph_n quemadmodum_fw-la praescripsi_fw-la cuncta_fw-la siant_fw-la cum_fw-la deco●o_fw-la &_o ordine_fw-la n._n quid_fw-la ●urpstudinis_fw-la aut_fw-la tum●ltus_fw-la exoriatur_fw-la paraph_n and_o that_o woman_n speak_v not_o in_o church_n in_o order_n 1._o e._n that_o first_o one_o and_o then_o another_o speak_v etc_n erasmus_n consent_v decent_o and_o in_o order_n that_o no_o uns●emelines_n or_o tumult_n arise_v trad●derat_fw-la in_o locis_fw-la suis_fw-la titulo_fw-la de_fw-la tradi●nibus_fw-la humanis_fw-la e●tat_fw-la verba_fw-la hac_fw-la apostol_n omne_fw-la honesta_fw-la somnia_fw-la honest_a &_o secum_fw-la dum_fw-la ordinem_fw-la fiant_fw-la ut_fw-la comprehet_fw-la traditiones_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la quibus_fw-la etc_fw-la esse_fw-la anthenticat_v &_o cum_fw-la conscientia_fw-la obedientia_fw-la servandas_fw-la verum_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la praescriptum_fw-la hec_fw-la apostoli_fw-la ad_fw-la quasvis_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la traditiones_fw-la referendum_fw-la s●d_fw-la ad_fw-la ca_fw-mi qua_fw-la ips●_fw-la ecclesijs_fw-la trad●derat_fw-la among_o late_a writer_n these_o word_n be_v often_o apply_v to_o rite_n but_o in_o a_o diverse_a manner_n the_o papist_n and_o some_o other_o do_v prove_v from_o hence_o their_o double_a treble_n analogical_a sacramentall_n as_o the_o rejoynder_n call_v they_o see_v hosius_n his_o conf._n de_fw-fr ritib._n bap._n c._n 37._o bell._n the_o
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repl._n grant_v all_o and_o show_v that_o it_o be_v a_o mere_a fantasy_n before_o confute_v as_o a_o cavil_n in_o the_o reply_n and_o long_o since_o by_o m_n r._n cartwright_n 2._o rep._n p._n 56._o not_o agreeable_a to_o the_o very_a word_n of_o the_o argument_n to_o which_o it_o be_v oppose_v upon_o this_o the_o rejoynd_a pour_v out_o word_n he_o turn_v head_n o_o strange_a a_o babe_n own_a from_o the_o birth_n suckle_v by_o many_o scripture_n a_o ill_a favour_v face_v brat_n absurd_a contradictory_n when_o he_o be_v take_v in_o a_o snare_n he_o say_v he_o be_v mistake_v and_o what_o reason_n have_v he_o to_o back_n or_o bear_v out_o all_o these_o word_n with_o if_o the_o scripture_n say_v he_o condemn_v what_o soever_o be_v do_z not_o only_o against_o but_o beside_o t●e_v direction_n thereof_o then_o do_v it_o condemn_v something_o as_o unlawful_a for_o be_v only_o beside_o it_o and_o not_o any_o way_n against_o it_o to_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v 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to_o reason_n against_o it_o that_o the_o rej._n may_v no_o more_o say_v you_o say_v nothing_o to_o disprove_v it_o 6._o first_o the_o only_a place_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n by_o which_o all_o divine_n as_o the_o rejoynder_n speak_v pag._n 75._o prove_v a_o power_n in_o the_o church_n to_o constitute_v ceremony_n be_v 1._o cor._n 14.26.40_o edification_n decency_n order_n but_o the_o apostle_n in_o that_o chapter_n do_v no_o way_n give_v leave_n either_o unto_o our_o or_o any_o other_o church_n to_o constitute_v circumcision_n for_o a_o ceremony_n therefore_o no_o church_n have_v power_n to_o constitute_v circumcission_n for_o a_o ceremony_n for_o order_n and_o decency_n no_o man_n in_o his_o right_a wit_n will_v say_v that_o circumcision_n come_v under_o their_o notion_n and_o as_o for_o edification_n it_o have_v be_v former_o show_v that_o it_o do_v not_o require_v new_o institute_v significant_a ceremony_n much_o less_o a_o reject_a or_o abrogate_a ceremony_n but_o only_o be_v 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