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A66932 A little stone, pretended to be out of the mountain, tried, and found to be a counterfeit, or, An examination & refutation of Mr. Lockyers lecture, preached at Edinburgh, anno 1651, concerning the mater of the visible church and afterwards printed with an appendix for popular government of single congregations : together with an examination, in two appendices, of what is said on these same purposes in a letter of some in Aberdene, who lately have departed from the communion and government of this church / by James Wood ... Wood, James, 1608-1664. 1654 (1654) Wing W3399; ESTC R206983 330,782 402

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〈…〉_o of_o 〈…〉_o take_v 〈…〉_o people_n 〈…〉_o with_o ot●ers_n of_o great_a par●…_n and_o so_o be_v 〈…〉_o here_o yet_o ●…nd_v the_o for●…_n riddle●_n clear_v but_o to_o 〈…〉_o 1._o that_o there_o may_v be_v more_o able_a 〈…〉_o then_o a_o particular_a congregation●_n i_o think_v 〈…〉_o will_v 〈◊〉_d ●eny_v and_o sure_o it_o can_v ●e_v deny_v in_o 〈◊〉_d th●re_v this_o be_v a_o ground_n whereupon_o 〈…〉_o it_o be_v 〈…〉_o that_o beside_o the_o presbytery_n of_o a_o 〈◊〉_d congregation_n there_o shall_v be_v such_o more_o ample_a presbytery_n 〈…〉_o unto_o wh●…●…course_n may_v be_v have_v in_o case_n of_o suppose_a 〈…〉_o of_o the_o eldership_n of_o a_o particular_a congr●…gation●_n and_o to_o which_o particular_a eldership_n may_v themselves_o 〈…〉_o case_n or_o case_n controversall_a among_o 〈…〉_o such_o particular_a elderships_n 〈…〉_o subject_a ●…no_fw-la superior_a authorit●…_n 〈…〉_o hold_v forth_o the_o plurality_n 〈…〉_o presbytery_n above_o the_o presbytery_n 〈…〉_o as_o a_o object_n or_o 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the_o test_n of_o this_o sect._n let_v minister_n doctor_n etc._n etc._n man_n of_o never_o so_o great_a learning_n be_v in_o a_o sojourn_v we_o say_v associate_v presbytery_n yet_o the_o persbytery_n 〈◊〉_d congregation_n be_v like_a in_o reason_n to_o be_v more_o learned_a in_o the_o b●…inesse_n of_o their_o particular_a member_n which_o offend_v than_o stranger_n because_o they_o be_v eye_n witness_n of_o person_n and_o thing_n and_o have_v by_o intimate_a conversation_n advantage_n to_o judge_n of_o man_n and_o matter_n concern_v they_o more_o than_o other_o here_o ●…deed_o lie_v the_o 〈◊〉_d such_o as_o it_o be_v of_o the_o thing_n that_o the_o 〈◊〉_d will_v have_v ●aid_v to_o make_v out_o his_o 3._o proof_n against_o presbytery_n over_o more_o congregation_n than_o one_o viz._n that_o they_o destroy_v and_o elude_v the_o end_n of_o church_n power_n and_o jurisdiction_n to_o which_o they_o pretend_v for_o answ_n 1._o this_o reason_n if_o it_o have_v truth_n and_o force_n in_o it_o 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