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A56213 The substance of a speech made in the House of Commons by Wil. Prynn of Lincolns-Inn, Esquire, on Munday the fourth of December, 1648 touching the Kings answer to the propositions of both Houses upon the whole treaty, whether they were satisfactory, or not satisfactory : wherein the satisfactorinesse of the Kings answers to the propositions for settlement of a firm lasting peace, and future security of the subjects against all feared regall invasions and encroachments whatsoever is clearly demonstrated ... and that the armies remonstrance, Nov. 20, is a way to speedy and certain ruine ... / put into writing, and published by him at the importunate request of divers members, for the satisfaction of the whole kingdome, touching the Houses vote upon his debate. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1649 (1649) Wing P4093; ESTC R38011 126,097 147

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for our security and settlement far more then we our selves demanded in two or three former Treaties and would have bin glad with the moity of it within these few months ten thousand times more then we can gain by a breach with the King upon such disadvantages why should we not all rest thankfully contented and blesse our God that he hath at last inclined the Kings heart to grant so much whereas heretofore he refused to condescend to the tithe of that he hath granted now● Doubtlesse we can never answer such a peevish absurd ingratitude either to God or men and those Counties Cities and Buroughs who sent us hither in their steads will conne us little thanks for refusing Peace upon such honorable beneficiall and safe Concessions as neither they nor we can ever hereafter hope for if rejected now upon no grounds of reason but peevishnesse and will If any object as some have done that the King indeed hath granted all we can desire yet he is so perfidious in his Oaths and Promises as we have found by sad experience in all his Reign that we cannot trust him and therefore all he hath granted is to little purpose I answer That if all he hath granted were still in his own power to dissolve or recall at pleasure this Argument were materiall But since he hath put all our desired security in our hands alone and such as our selves shall appoint and left nothing unto his sole or joint disposall with us the objection is but weak and recoils upon our selves that we dare not trust our selves with our safety It a Sha●k come to borrow some money of a Usurer whose word and hand he dares not take yet if he give him a Pawn or Morgage of his Lands in hand he will then trust him without any scruple The King hath given such a sufficient Pawn Morgage and put it into our own hand therefore we need not doubt him now Besides if we cannot trust him for what he hath granted it was a mockery of him and the Kingdome to treat with him to grant it and if so the Kingdom will say they have little cause hereafter to trust us for such palpable dissimulation as the King For my part I have seen so much experience in the world that I dare trust none with my own or the Kingdoms safety but God● alone Put not your trust in Princes nor in any son of man in whom there is no help It is better to trust in the Lord then to put confidence in men or Princes have been my Maxims and we have seen such strange Mutabilities and perfidiousnesse in men of all sorts since our troubles that we cannot trust neither the King nor Prince City nor Countrey this Generall nor that Generall this Army nor those that were before it nor yet our selves who are jealous one of another trecherous one to another distrustfull of all and now distrusted by all ever since we began to confide in men and found out a new generation of confiding men Let us begin to trust in God alone in the first place and then we need not distrust the King for time to come any more then others or our selves whose dear bought experience of breach of former trust and promises will make him more carefull of violating his present Concessions for the future especially having put such security● unto our own hands to bind him to an exact performance But it hath been objected by the Generall and Officers in the Army in their late Remonstrance and by some who have spoken in this debate who would teach the King before hand how to elude and vacat all his grants and promises that all the Kings Concessions are and will be void because made by duresse of imprisonment whiles under restraint I answer That the King during all this Treaty hath been in such a condition of honour freedom and safety and had such free liberty of consultation and debate upon his own earnest desire and his parties too as well as the Houses that he can neither with honour nor justice avoid those Concessions by any pretext of Duresse especially since he hath denyed some things and had the same liberty not to have granted other things had he been pleased not to grant them Besides the King is to confirm the whole Treaty by Acts of Parliament to which he is to give his Royall assent and Oath too when all is concluded and that in a free condition then no Duresse can avoid them nor more then Magna Charta it self first gained by the sword and oft confirmed in Parliament by our Kings against their wills In the year of our Lord 1222 The Barons demanding of King Henry the third the confirmation of the great Charter and their Liberties according to his Oath upon the conclusion of the Peace with Lewis of France William Brewer one of his evill Councell answered That the Liberties they demanded were not to be observed nor confirmed because they were forcibly extorted Whereupon words growing between the Barons the Archbishop of Canterbury and Brewer the King closed up the strife with this honourable Answer All of us have sworn to these Liberties and that which we have assented and sworn to ALL OF VS ARE BOVND TO OBSERVE We to this day injoy these Liberties being confirmed by Act of Parliament and sworn to by our Kings though forcibly extorted at the first And so may we much more enjoy the Kings Concessions when turned into Acts and sealed with a sacred Oath superadded to a Royall assent Mr. Speaker I have now waded through the whole Treaty and given you the best reasons I can out of every parcell of it to prove the satisfactorinesse of the Kings Answers and answered all Objections hitherto made against my conclusion I shall now by your patience and leave proceed a step or two further to evidence by cleer demonstrations and reasons to your consciences First that our closing with the King upon these Concessions is the only the speediest best loyallest safest and certainest way to settle a firm and lasting Peace between the King Parliament and his three Kingdoms Secondly that the new way to Peace and settlement proposed and prosecuted by the Generall the Officers of the Army and their friends in the House is a most desperate dishonourable unsafe course and certain way to speedy ruine both of our King Parliaments Army City Country and three Kingdomes too yea a ●eer project of the Jesuites to destroy the King dissolve this present and all future Parliaments betray Ireland to the Popish Rebels subvert our Religion Reformation Laws Liberties Kingdoms introduce Popery Tyranny slavery and makes us a prey to our forreign Enemies and if I make this clearly appear to all your consciences and reasons I beseech you lay all your hands upon your hearts and consider what you vote in this debate lest you become instrumentall to the Jesuits accomplish these their designs in
observable ushered it in with this Iesuiticall preface and these disloyall popish demands That the Capitall and grand Author of our troubles the person of the King by whse commission commands or procurement and in whose behalfe and for whose interest onely of will and power all our warres and troubles have been with all the miseries attending them may be speedily brought to Iustice for the Treason blood and mischiefe he is therein guilty of That a timely and peremptory day may beset for the Prince of Wales and Duke of York to come in and render themselves or else immediatly made uncapable of any Government or trust in this Kingdome or the Dominions thereof or of any right within the same and thenceforth to stand exiled for ever as Enemies and Traytors and to dye without mercy if ever hereafter found therein or if they render themselves then to be proceeded against for their Capitall Deli●quency in justice or remitted upon satisfaction given But however the land and revenue of the Crowne to be presently sequestred c. Then followes this Agreement of the People for setting some reasonable and certain period to this Parliament to be assigned as short as may be with safety to the Kingdome and publike interest thereof and for feeling the new Representative c. And because it was twice voted down in November 1648. by the house it is twice repeated and insisted on in this long-winded Iemonstrance page 14 15 16. and page 65 66 67. so much are they in love with the Iesuits Dalila that so it might now be twice confirmed and setled by the house in approving this Remonstrance Now compare this third gunpowder plot with the two former in November last to blow up King Prince Duke Lords Commons this present and all future Parliaments at one attempt to destroy the King and Parliament disinherit his royall posterity unpeer all the Lords levell them with the dust to root up them all Parliaments root and branch at once against all our Oathes our Covenats our Remonstrances our Declarations our Lawos our Protestant Religion all here devoted to ruine together as the onely safe and speedy way to settell peace and safety in Church and State to omit the horrid equivocations dispensations with oathes Covenants and Ieuiticall distinctions in that Remonstrance they are such clear visible Characters of a Jesuites pensill hand and head in this Remonstrance so abounding with their bloody disloyall Tenents parctises of killing and deposing Christian Kings who wil not do homage to their Roman Pontif blowing up Protestant Stats Kingdoms Parliaments so abhorent to al Protestant Principals Professions practises who never yet embrued their hands in nor stained their religiō with the blood of any King or actual deposition of any Protestant or Popish Pr. who was their lawful King or disinheriting of his lawful heirs or puling downe a Protestant Reforming Parliament that none but Jesuits and Jesuited Papists could possibly invent or spur on the Generall Officers and Army so violently and madly to prosecute them as they do by a subsequent high Declaration discovering a very Jesuitical spirit in the pen-man distinguishing the Memb. of the house dissenting from them in these Treasonable practises into a treasonable brach of trust usurping to themselves a power ro judge censure and exclude them and make those Members who shall confedrate with them herein though never so few materially a Parliment though formerly and essentially no Parliament at all and mooving them to depart the house and joyn with them in these Jesuiticall designes Which they have since agravated and backed by their disobedyent march to Westminster and London against our commands by force and open violence to over-awe us by our votes in Parliament to put all their treasonable Romish demands in present execution to justifie these very traiterous doctrines and practises of theirs which our Parliaments have in direct terms in sundry Acts condemned and every one of us solemnly abjured in the oath of allegiance w ch he must take immediatly before his sitting in the house without taking wherof he neither is nor can be enabled to sit as a Member I shall further offer this to your consideration that as soon as ever this Agreement of the people was suppressed in Novem. 1647. and the king perswaded to reject the propositions tendred him by both Houses by some officers in the army of purpose to treat on their proposals The agitators Jesuits in the army opposed these Proposals and threating to offer some violence to the Kings person caused him secretly to withdraw himself from Hampton Court into the Isle of Wight where they shut him up close prisoner without the Houses privity which done they caused their confederates when most of the Members were sent into the Country to disband the supernume●aries to passe a vote in the Commons house to make no more addresses to the King not to set him aside as they then professed to many dissenting members but only to induce the K. to seck first to them without which protestation they had never caried this vote which passed most of the Membrs departing the 2. ensuing Votes were set on foot passed at an unseasonable hour gotten by surprize The very next morning there came a Declaration from Sir Thomas Fairfax and the Gen Councell of the Army Ian. 11. 1647. signifying their resolutions to adhere to the Houses for settling and securing the parliament and kingdom without the King and against him or any other that shall hereafter pertake with him But the Lgrds sticking at these Votes there was a regement or two of foot sent from the Army to garrison White hall and a regiment of horse bilited in the Mues to fright and force the Lords to a Concurrence And some few dayes after a Book written by Dolman alyas Parsons the Jesuite against King Iames his Title to the Crown and concerning the lawfulnesse of Subjects Parliaments deposing chastising of their Kings for their misgouernment the good prosperous secceesse that God commonly hath given to the same printed out of Dolmans own printed Copy verbatim except the word Parliament added to it now and then was published to the world with this Title Severall Speeches delivered at a conference concerning the power of Parliaments to procéed against their King for misgovernment which Book with this false new title published at this season intemated to the world that this discourse of a lesuite for which he was condemned of high treason was nothing else but speeches mad by some Members of the Commons house at a conference with the Lords The highest dishonour affront ever put upon a protestant Parliament to have the book and doctrine of a lesuit thus falsly fathered on them of which though I may self and others complained there was nothing done to vindicate the houses from this grosse imputation And about the same time there was another book