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prince_n	king_n	lord_n	orange_n	3,081	5	10.2663	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A33736	Mr. Coleman's two letters to Monsieur L'Chaise, the French king's confessor with Monsieur L'Chaise's answer to Mr. Coleman, which the House of Commons desired might be printed : together with the D. of Y's letter to the said Monsieur L'Chaise, which sheweth what Mr. Coleman wrote to him, was by his special command and appointment.; Two letters to Monsieur L'Chaise	Coleman, Edward, d. 1678.; La Chaise, François d'Aix de, 1624-1709.; James II, King of England, 1633-1701.	1678 (1678)	Wing C5046; ESTC R6884	16,534	28

we would do all we could to stave off the Parliament for our own sakes that we would struggle as hard without money as with it and we having by this time upon our own Interests prevailed to get the Parliament Prorogued till the 13th of April he thought that the Prorogation being to a day so high in the Spring would put the Confederates so much beyond their measures as that it might procure a Peace and be as useful to France as a Desolution Upon these Reasons which I suppose he went upon I had several discourses with him and did open my self so far to him as to say that I could wish his Master would give us leave to offer 300000 l. to our Master for the desolution of the Parliament and shew him that a Peace would most certainly follow a dessolution which he agreed with me in and that we desired not the Money from his Master to excite our Wills or to make us more industrious to use our utmost power to procure a Dissolution but to strengthen our Power and Credit with the King and to render us more capable to succeed with his Majesty as most certainly we should have done had we been fortified with such an Argument To this purpose I promised Monsieur Pompone frequently by Sir William Frogmorton who returned from hence again into France on the 16th of November the day our Parliament should have set but was Prorogueth Monsieur Pompone as I was informed by Sir William did seem to approve the thing but yet had two Objections against it 1. That the Sum vve proposed vvas great and could very ill be spared by his Majesty in the Circumstances he vvas in To which we answered That if by his expending that sum he could procure a Dissolution of our Parliament and thereby a Peace which every body agreed would necessarily follow his most Christian Majesty would save five or ten times a greater sum and so be a good husband by his expence and if we did not procure a Dissolution he should not be at that expence at all for that we desired him only to promise upon that condition which we were contented to be obliged to perform first 2. The second Objection was That the Duke did not move it nor appear in it himself To which we answered That he did not indeed to Monsieur Pompone because he had found so ill an effect of the Negotiation with Father Ferrier when it came into Monsieur Ravignys hands but he had concernd himself in it to Father Ferrier Yet I continued to prosecute and press the Dissolution of the Parliament detesting all Prorogations as only so much loss of time and a means of strengthening all those who depended upon it in opposition to the Crovvn The Interest of France and the Catholick Religion in the opinion they had taken that our King durst not part with his Parliament apprehending another would be much worse 2. That he could not live without a Parliament therefore they must suddainly meet and the longer he kept them off the greater the necessities would grow and consequently their power to compel him to do what they listed would increase accordingly and therefore if they could but maintain themselves a while their day would certainly come in a short time in which they should be able to work their Wills Such discourses as these kept the Confederates and our Male-contents in heart and made them weather on the War in spite of all our Prorogations and therefore I pressed as I have said a Dissolution until February last when our Circumstances were so totally changed that we were forced to change our Councils too and be as much for the Parliaments Sitting as we were before against it Our Change was this Before that time the Lord Arlington was the only Minister in credit who thought himself out of all danger of a Parliament he having been accused before them and justified and therefore was zealous for their sitting and to increase his Reputation with them and to become a perfect Favourite he set himself all he could to prosecute the Catholick Religion and to oppose the French To shew his Zeal against the first he revived some old dormant Orders for prohibiting the Roman Gatholicks to appear before the King and put them in Execution at his first coming into the Office of Lord Chamberlaine And to make sure work against the second as he thought prevailed with the King to give him and the Earl of Ossery who married two Sisters of Myn Heere Odyke's leave to go over into Holland with the said Heere to make a Visite as they pretended to their Relations but indeed and in truth to propose the Lady Mary Eldest Daughter to his Royal Highness as a Match for the Prince of Orange not only without the consent but against the good liking of his Royal Highness insomuch as the Lord Arlingtons Creatures were forced to excuse him with a distinction that the said Lady was not to be lookt upon as the Dukes Daughter but as the Kings and a Child of the State and so the Dukes Consent not to be much considered in the disposal of her but the Interest only of State by this he intended to render himself the Darling of the Parliament and Protestants who would look on themselves as secured in their Religigion by such an alliance and designed further by that means to draw us into close Conjunction with Holand and Enemies of Erance The Lord Arlington set forward upon this Errand November the 10th 1674 and returned not till January 6 following During his absence the Lord Treasurer Lord Keeper and Duke of Lauderdale were the only Ministers in any considerable credit with the King and who all pretended to be intirely united to the Duke declared loudly and with great violence against the said Lord and his actions in Holland and did hope in his absence to have totally supplanted him and routed him out of the Kings favour and after that they thought they might easily enough have dealt with the Parliament but none of them had Courage enough to speak against the Parliament till they could get rid of him for fear they should not succeed but that the Parliament should sit in spight of them and come to hear that they had used their endeavours against it which would have been so unpardonable a crime with our omnipotent Parliament that no power would have been able to have saved them from punishment But they finding at his return when they could not prevail against him by such means and arts as they had then tried resolved upon new Councils which were to out-run him in his own course which accordingly they undertook and became as fierce Apostles and as zealous for Protestant Religion and against Popery as ever my Lord Arlington was before them and in pursuance thereof perswaded the King to issue out those severe Orders and Proclamations against Catholicks which came out in February last by which they did as much as in

to govern himself by and of those advantages vvhich a little money vvell managed vvould certainly have gained us I am affraid vve shall not be much better at the end of this Session then vve are novv I pray God vve do not loose ground By my next vvhich shall be ere long I shall be able to tell your Reverence more perticularly vvhat vve are like to expect In the mean time I most humbly beg your holy prayers for all our undertakings and that you vvill please to honour me so far as to esteem me vvhich I am entirely and vvithout any reserve Sir Most Reverend Father Your Reverences most humble and most obedient Servant A Coppy of his R. H. his Letter to L' Chaise about the time Mr. Coleman vvrote his long Letter 1675. THE 2d of June last past his Most Christian Majesty offered me most generously his Friendship and the use of his Purse to assistance against the designes of my Enemies and his and protested unto me That his Interest and mine were so clearly linckt together that those that opposed the one should be lookt upon as Enemies to the other and told me moreover his opinion of my Lord Arlington and the Parliament which is That he is of opinion that neither the one nor the other is in his Interest or mine and thereupon he desired me to make such Propositions as I should think fit in this Conjuncture All was transacted by the means of Father Ferrier who made use of Sir William Frogmorton who is an honest man and of truth who was then at Paris and hath held correspondence with Coleman one of my Family in whom I have great confidence I was much satisfyed to see his most Christian Majesty altogether of my opinion so I made him Answer the 29th of June by the same meanes he had made use of to write to me that is by Coleman who adrest himself to Father Ferrier by the forementioned Knight and entirely agreed to his most Christian Majesty as well to what had respect to the Union of our Interests as the unusefulness of my Lord Arlington and the Parliament in order to the service of the King my Brother and his most Christian Majesty and that it was necessary to make use of our joynt and utmost credits to prevent the success of those evil designs resolved on by the Lord Arlington and the Parliament against his most Christian Majesty and my self which of my side I promise really to perform of which since that time I have given reasonable good proof Moreover I made some Proposals which I thought necessary to bring to pass what we were obliged to undertake assuring him that nothing could so firmly establish our Interest with the King my Brother as that very same offer of the help of his Purse by which means I had much reason to hope I should be enabled to perswade to the Dissolving of the Parliament and to make void the designs of my Lord Arlington who works incessantly to advance the Interest of the Prince of Orange and the Hollanders and to lessen that of the King your Master notwithstanding all the Protestations he hath made to this hour to render him service But as that which was proposed was at a stand by reason of the sickness of Father Ferrier so our Affaires succeeded not according to our Designes only Father Ferrier vvrote to me the 15th of the last Moneth That he had communicated those Propositions to his most Christian Majesty and that they had been very vvell lik't of but as they contained things that had regard to the Catholick Religion and to the offer and use of his Purse he gave me to understand he did not desire I should treat vvith Monsieur Ravigny upon the first but as to the last and had the same time acquainted me that Monsieur Ravigny had order to grant me vvhatsoever the conjuncture of our Affaires did require and have expected the effects of it to this very hour but nothing being done in it and seeing on the other hand that my Lord Arlington and several others endeavoured by a thousand deceits to break the good Intelligence which is between the King my Brother his most Christian Majesty and my Self to the end they might deceive us all three I have thought fit to advertise you of all that is past and desire of you your assistance and Friendship to prevent the Roguerys of those who have no other design than to betray the Concerns of France and England also and who by their pretended service are the 〈◊〉 they succeed not As to any thing more I refer you to Sir William Frogmorton and Coleman who I have comanded to give an account of the whole state of our Affair and of the true condi●●●●of England with many others and principally my Lord Arlingtons endeavours to represent to you quite otherwise than it is The two first I mentioned to you are firm to my Interest so that you may treat with them without any apprehension FINIS Errata Page 1. line 6. for LE-CHEER read L'CHAISE and so where-ever you meet with that Name l. 〈…〉 Sir Germaine r. Saint Germaine and so throughout 〈…〉