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prince_n	english_a	king_n	wales_n	2,310	5	10.0246	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85229	Conscience satisfied. That there is no warrant for the armes now taken up by subjects. By way of reply unto severall answers made to a treatise formerly published for the resolving of conscience upon the case. Especially unto that which is entituled A fuller answer. By H. Ferne, D.D. &c.	Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662.	1643 (1643)	Wing F791; Thomason E97_7; ESTC R212790	78,496	95

Noah after their Families in their Countries and Nations vers 5 20 31. and we find many of those first Princes and rulers to leave their names to the people that came of them and to the Countries they were seated in as may be seen Gen. 10. Hence it appeares First that Monarchy was the first Government it being late ere any Popular Rule Aristocraticall or Democraticall appeared in the world Secondly that the first Kings were not by choice of the People but that Monarchy however we cannot say it is jure divino by divine precept commanding all Nations to be so governed or jure naturae by natures law enforcing it is plainly ductu naturae by nature leading men from Paternall to Regall Government and exemplo divino as I may say by divine example and insinuation the Government that God set up over his people being Monarchicall still in Moses the Iudges the Kings whereas Aristocracy and Democracy that I'may not call them Defections and Revolts from the Naturall way of government are meer inventions of man In severall Monarchies indeed we see divers limitations qualifications of power and severall offices wayes of executing that power these are meer inventions of man And this I note for explication of what was in the other Treatise said of Monarchy in relation to Ius divinum which by this Answerer is often interpreted as if I granted Monarchy and Aristocracy and Democracy to be equally of humane invention Thirdly it appears that the power of Kings was as of Fathers and that the people had no power of coertion over them more than children over Fathers Fourthly that albeit within few ages after the flood people began to chuse themselves Rulers as likely they did that departed from the building of Babel in severall companies according to your severall languages yet was such popular election to be accounted a kind of defection from and a disturbance of that naturall way of the descent of governing kingly power by a Paternall right and this irregular way began in the progeny of Cham. Lastly that albeit when a people are free as upon the utter failing of the royall Line they may chuse a Governour there being then no other way to set up one but by choice yet then do they no more give the power than if they received a King by naturall descent or by Gods designment and still the King so chosen is a Father as in the fifth Commandement and the people as children in the same relation for obedience and coertion as at first in the generations of Noah Accordingly kings at first among the Nations though chosen ruled as Fathers arbitrarily their discretion being law unto the people as was observed out of Iustin in the former Treatise and as we may really see in the fiction of the Golden Age. Now for the beginning of Government in this Island how shall conscience find any certainty that it was so set up contrived as this Answerer supposeth If he will begin simply at the very first coalition of Government as he phrases it he must suppose a multitude of people meeting together to contrive a Government and these either to spring on a suddain out of the earth as Cadmus his race but then in all likelyhood they would not so well agree or to live dispersedly in caves woods and so to be brought together by some Orpheus his pipe but then we cannot imagine such rude men to be so politique and cautious as to make such a contrivement for he tells us the reason which we see in this State is that same reason that first contrived the Government when they made the first King Or lastly he must suppose this land was peopled by a colony from France or Germany and then as likely they had the constitution of the Government from the King which sent them or that the government which the first Kings used here was arbitrary as it was every where else at first But let us come down to times of more certainty and as the Declaration of Parliament 24. H. 8. c. 12. directs us looke in Histories and Chronicles which tell us this Realm of England has been accepted for an Empire governed by one supream head unto whom a body politique compact of all sorts and degrees of people of the spiritualty and Temporalty are bounden to bear next to God a naturall obedience so in that Statute Now this first constitutionof government in this Land as this Answerer ha's phansied it can neither consist with the substance of this Parliamentary Declaration as we shall see anon nor can it have any footing in Histories and chronicles to which that Declaration refers us For those chronicles and Caesar in his commentaries tells us there were in this land then divers Princes independent in which of them shall we look for this constitution or shall we seek it among the Brittish kings whom the Saxons drove into Wales if we could find it there it would not concern us for we are not now upon the Brittish but English government which followed the Saxons If the Answerer will begin his constitution and first king at this period or revolurion of the Monarchy for higher he cannot lower at the conquest I trust he will not why did not he tell us so that he might have givē conscience some direction to find out his first constitution and first King He knew well enough there was little help for him here For we find this English Saxishgovernment at the beginning branching it self into an Heptarchy rising in arms it is likely those Captains took upon them as kings by the consent and acclamation of the souldiers as when in the state of Rome the pretorian guard or some army abroad saluted an Emperor and thrust him upon the people But what then will become of his first constitution by the contrivement of the people when they made their first king should any of these seven Monarchs come in by such a popular contrivement wch cannot be imagined must our government needs be the same Or can we think that Egbert who made himselfe sole Monarch was bound up by such a constitution reservation as he says was contrived at their making of the first King from that Egbert to King CHARLES our Authentique Histories and Chronicles to which the Declaration of Parliament above mentioned refers us do shew a glorious succession of Monarchs not one made by election but Harold who yet ha's not obtained the stile of Rex Haroldus and his title if any dyed with him We see upon what uncertainties and improbabilities conscience is left for this first election and precontrivement this Answerer ha's not directed it any wayes how it should be assured of it much lesse of that reservation of power which he imagineth to be made by the people at that first election of a King He gives us no record to witnes it turnes us to no authentique History or chronicle shews us no constant practice or judgement