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B11202 Newes from Antvverp, the .10. day of August. 1580 Contayning, a speciall view of the present affayres of the lowe countreyes: revuealed and brought to lyght, by sundrie late intercepted letters, of certaine vizarded and counterfeyt countrey men of the same countreyes. Translated into English, partly out of French, and partly out of Lattin: according to the originall copie, printed at Antwerp, by William Riuiere, a sworne printer, and bookseller.; Afgheworpene brieven van sommighe ... valsche patriotten. English Fredericke, abbot of Marolles.; Schetz, Gaspar, d. 1580.; Georg, von Schönenberg, Bishop of Worms, 1530-1595. 1580 (1580) STC 692; ESTC S112793 31,219 36

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