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B12208 The copie of a leter, vvryten by a Master of Arte of Cambrige, to his friend in London concerning some talke past of late betvven tvvo vvorshipful and graue men, about the present state, and some procedinges of the Erle of Leycester and his friendes in England. Conceyued, spoken and publyshed, vvyth most earnest protestation of al duetyful good vvyl and affection, tovvardes her most excellent Ma. and the realm, for vvhose good onely it is made common to many. Morgan, Thomas, 1543-1606, attributed name.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610, attributed name. 1584 (1584) STC 5742.9; ESTC S108682 125,586 206

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maried to Portugal Castile borne of Blanche heire to Edmond Crookback as hath bene said vvas married to Iohn king of Portugal of vvhom is descended the king that novv possesseth Portugal and the other Princes vvhich haue or may make title to the same and Katherin borne of Constance heire of Castile vvas married back againe to Hentie king of Castile in Spaine of vvhom king Philip is also descended So that by this vve see vvhere the remainder of the house of Lancaster resteth yf the Line of K. Henrie the seuenth vvere extinguished vvhat pretext forreine Forrayne titles Princes may haue to subdue vs yf my L. of Huntington either novv or after her Ma. dayes vvil open to them the doore by shuting out the rest of K. Hēries Line by dravving back the title to the onlie house of York againe vvhich he pretendeth to do vpon this that I vvil novv declare King Edvvard the third albeit he had manie children yet fiue onlie vvil vve speak of at this tyme. The issue of king Edvvard the third VVherof thre vvere elder then Iohn of Gaunt and one yonger The first of the elder vvas named Edvvard the Black Prince vvho died before his father leauing one onlie sonne named Richard vvho aftervvard being king and named Richard the second vvas deposed vvythout issue and put to death by his Cosin germain named Henrie Bolingbrook Duke of Lancaster sonne to Iohn of Gaunt as hath bene said and so there ended the Line of K. Edvvardes first sonne King Edvvardes second sonne vvas VVilliam of Hatfield that died vvythout issue His thirde sonne vvas Leonell Duke of Clacence vvhos onlie daughter heire called Philippe vvas married to Edmond Mortymer Earle of Marche and after that Anne the daughter and heire of Mortymer vvas married to Richard Plantaginet Tvvoe Edmūdes the tvvoe begīners of the tvvoe houses of Lancaster York Duke of York sonne and heire to Edmund of Langley the first Duke of York vvhich Edmund vvas the fift sonne of K. Edvvard the third and yonger brother to Iohn of Gaunt And this Edmund of Langley may be called the first beginner of the house of York euen as Edmund Croocbacke the beginner of the house Lancaster This Edmund Langley then hauing a sonne named Richard that married An 〈…〉 ●ortymer sole heire to Leonel Duke of Clarēce ioined tvvo Lines and tvvoe titles in one I meane the Line of Leonel and of Edmund Langley vvho vvere as hath bene said the third and the fift sonnes to K. Edvvard the third And for this cause the childe that vvas borne of this marriage named after his father Richard Plantaginet Duke of York seing him self strong and the first line of K. Edvvard the thirds eldest sonne to be extinguished in the death of K. Richard the second and seing VVilliam of Hatfield the secōd sōne dead likevvise vvythout issue made demaund of the Crovvn for the house of York by The claime title of York the title of Leonel the third sonne of K. Edvvard And albeit he could not obteine the same in his daies for that he vvas slaine in a bataille against K. Henrie the 6. at VVakefield yet his sonne Edvvard got the same vvas called by the name of king Edvvard the fovverth This king at his death lefte diuers children as namlie tvvoe sonnes Edvvard the fift and his brother The issue of king Edvvard the 4. vvho after vvere both murdered in the Tovver as shal be shevved also fiue daughters to vvit Elyzabeth Cicilie Anne Katherine and Briget VVherof the first vvas maried to Hēry the 7. The last became a Nūne the other thre vvere bestovved vpon diuers other husbandes He had also tvvo brothers the first vvas called George Duke of Clarence vvho aftervvard vpon his desertes as is to be supposed vvas put to death in Callys by commandement of the king his attaynder The Duk of Clarence attaynted by parlament allovved by parlament And this man left behind him a sonne named Edvvard Erle of VVarvvik put to death aftervvard vvythout issue by king Henrie the seuenth and a daughter named Margaret Countesse of Salisburie vvho vvas married to a meane Gentlemā named Richard Poole by vvhom she had issue Cardinal Poole that died vvythout Mariage Hērie Poole that vvas attainted execuded in K. Henrie the 8. his tyme as also her self vvas this Hēry Poole left a daughter married Huntīgtons title by the Duke of Clarēce aftervvard to the Earle of Huntingtō by vvho this Earle that novv is maketh title to the Crovvn And this is the effect of my L. of Huntingtōs title The second brother of king Edvvard the fourth vvas Richard Duke of Glocester vvho after the K. K. Rich. the third death caused his tvvo sonnes to be murdered in the Tovver and toke the kingedom to him self And aftervvard he being slaine by king Henry the 7. at Bosvvorth fielde left no issue behind him VVherfore king Henry the 7. descending as hath bene shevved of the house of Lancaster by Ihon of The happie cōiūctiō of the tvvoe houses Gaunts last sonne third vvife taking to vvyfe ladie Elizabeth eldest daughter of K. Edvvard the fourth of the house of York ioyned most happely the tvvo famylies together and made an end of al controuersies about the title Novv K. Henrie the 7. had issue three children The issue of king Hēry the seuenth of vvhom remayneth posterity First Henry the 8. of vvhom is descended our soueraine her Ma. that novv happilie raigneth and is the last that remaineth a liue of that first Line Secōdlie he had tvvo daughters vvherof the first named Margaret vvas married tvvice first to Iames king of Scotland frō The Line and title of Scotland by Margar. eldeste daughter to king Hēry the seuenth vvhome are directlie discended the Q. of Scotland that novv liueth and her sonne K. Iames being dead Margaret vvas married againe to Archybalde Douglas Earle of Anguishe by vvhom she had a daughter named Margaret vvhich vvas married aftervvard to Mathevv Stevvard Earle of Lenox vvhos sonne Charles Stevvard vvas married to Elizabeth Cādishe daughter to the presēt Coūtesse of of Shrevvsburie by her hath left his onlie heire Arbella a litle daughter named Arbella of vvhom you haue heard some speech before And this is tovvching the Line of Scotland descending from the first eldest daughter of K. Henrie the seuenth The second daughter of K. Henrie the seuenth The Lyne title of Suffolke by Marie seconde daughter to king Henry 7. called Marie vvas tvvice maried also first to the kig of Frannce b● vvhom she had no issue and after his death to Charles Brandon Duke of Suffolk by vvhom she had tvvo daughters that is Fraūcis of vvhich the childrē of my L. of Hartford doe make their clayme Elenore by vvhom the issue of the Earle of Darbie pretēdeth right as shal be declared For that Fraūcis the first daughter of
of ch●ef rule vnder other pretences and after to deuise vpō the title at his leysure But novv to come to the third argument I saie The 3. argument The nature of the cause it self more and aboue al this that the nature and sta●e of the matter it self permitteth not that my L. of Leycester should meane sincerelie the Crovvn for Huntington especialie seing ther hath passed betvven them so many yeares of dislike and enimity vvhich albeit for the time present commodity be couered and pressed dovvn yet by reason and experience vve knovv that aftervvard vvhen they shal deale together againe in matters of importaunce and vvhen ielousie shal be ioyned to other circumstaunces of their actiōs it is impossible that the former mislike should not breake out in far higher degre then euer before As vve savve in the examples of the reconciliation The nature of olde reconciled enimyty made betvvixt this mans father and Edvvard Duke of Somerset bearing rule vnder king Edvv. the sixt and betvven Richard of York Edmund Duke of Somerset bearing rule in the time of king Henry the 6. Both vvhich Dukes of Somerset after reconciliatiō vvyth their olde craftie ambitious enimies vvere brought by the same to their destruction soone after VVherof I doubt not but my L. of Leycester vvil take good heed in ioyning by reconciliation vvyth Huntington after so long a breach and vvil not be so improuident as to make him his soueraign vvho novv is but his dependēt He remembreth to vvel the successe of the L. Stāley vvho helped K. Hērie the 7. to the Crovvn of the Duke of Buckingham vvho did ●he same for Richard the 3. of the Earle of VVarvvick vvho set vp K. Edvvard the 4. and of ●he three Percies vvho aduaūced to the Scepter K. Henry ●he 4. Al vvhich noble men vpon occasions that after fel out vvere revvarded vvyth death by the self same Princes vvhom they had preferred And that not vvythout reason as Siegnior Machauel The reason of Machauel my L. Councellor affirmeth For that such Princes aftervvard can neuer giue sufficient satisfaction to such friendes for so great a benefit receiued And consequentlie least vpon discontentmēt they may ●haunce do as much for others against them as they haue done for them against others the surest vvay is to recompence them vvyth such a revvarde as they shal neuer after be able to complaine of VVherfore I can neuer think that my L. of Leycester vvil put him self in daunger of the Like successe at Huntingtons hādes but rather vvil folovv The meaninge of the Duke of Nort●umber vvyth Suffolk the plot of his ovvn father vvyth ●he Duke of Suffolk vvhom no doubt but he meant onelie to vse for a pretext and help vvherby to place him self in supreame dignitie and aftervvardes vvhat so euer had befallen of the state the others head could neuer haue come to other end thē it enioyed For yf Q. Marie had not cut it of K. Iohn of Northūberland vvould haue done the same in tyme and so al men do vvel knovv that vvere priuie to anie of his cunning dealinges And vvhat Huntingtons secret opinion of Leycester is notvvythstanding this ovvtvvarde shevv of depēdence ●t vvas my chaūce to learne from the South hovvse mouth of a special man of that Hastie king vvhoe vvas his ledger or agent in London and at a tyme faling in talke of his masters title declared that he had heard him diuers tymes in secret complaine to his Ladie Leycesters sister as greatlie fearing that in the end he vvould offer him vvrong and pretend some title for him selfe LAVV. VVel quoth the Lavvyer it seemeth by this last point that thes tvvo Lords are cunning practisioners in the arte of dissimulation but for the former vvherof you spake in truth I haue hearde men of good dicourse affyrme that the Duke of The meani●g of the D. of No●thū tovvards the D of Suffolk Northumberland had straunge deuises in his head for deceauing of Suffolk vvho vvas nothing so fine as him self and for bringing the Crovvn to his ovvn familie And among other deuises it is thought that he had most certaine intention to marrie the Ladie Marie him self after once he had brought her into his ovvn handes and to haue bestovved her Ma. that novv is vpon some one of his children yf it should haue bene thought best to giue her lyfe so cōsequentlie to haue shaken of Suffolk and his pedegre vvyth condigne punishment for his bolde behauiour in that behalf SCHOL Verilie quoth I this had bene an excellent Stratageme yf it had taken place But I pray you Sir hovv could him self haue taken the Ladie Matie to vvyfe seing he vvas at that tyme married to an other GENTL Oh quoth the Gentlemen you question like a Scholar As though my L. of Leycester had not a vvyfe a liue vvhen he first began to pretend mariahe to the Q. Ma. Doe not you remember the storie of K Richard the third vvho at such tyme as he thought best for the establishing of his title The practise of K. Richard for dispatching his vvyfe to marrie his ovvn nepce that aftervvard vvas married to king Henrie the seuēth hovv he caused secretlie to be giuen abroode that his ovvn vvyfe vvas dead vvhom al the vvorld knevv to be then a liue and in good health but yet soone aftervvard she vvas sene dead indeed Thes great personages in matters of such vveight as is a kingdom haue priuileges to dispose of vvomens bodies mariages liues and deathes as shal be thought for the tyme moste conuenient And vvhat do you think I pray you of this nevv A nevv Triumuirate betvvē Ley. Talbot the Coūtesse of Shre●sbury TRIVMVIRAT so latelie concluded about Arbella for so I must cal the same though one of the three persons be no Vir but Virago I meane of the mariage betvvene yong Dēbigh the litle daughter of Lenox vvherby the father in lavve the Grandmother the vncle of the nevv designed Queene haue conceyued to them selues a singular tryumphant reigne But vvhat doe you think may ensue hereof is ther nothing of the olde plot of duke Iohn of Northumberland in this LAVV. Marie Sir quoth the Lavvyer yf this be so I dare assure you ther is sequele enough pretended hereby And first no doubt but ther goeth a deep drift by the vvife and sonne against olde Abraham the husband and father vvith the vvel lyned large poutch And secondlie a far deeper by trustie Robert against his best Mistres but d●●pest of ●l by the vvhole Cravv against the designememes of the Hastie Earle vvho thirsteth a kingdome Huntington vvith great intemperaunce and seemeth yf there vvere plaine dealing to hope by thes good people to quenshe shortlie his drought But either parte in truth seeketh to deceyue other and therfore it his hard to saye vvher the game in fine vvil reste GENTL VVel hovv so euer that be quoth
Henrie Earle of Richmōd discending but of the last sonne and third vvyfe of Iohn of Gaunt Duke of Lācaster vvas so respected for that onelie by the vniuersal Realm as they inclyned vvholie to cal him from banishment to make him king vvith the deposition of Richard vvhich then ruled of the house of York vpon condition onlie that the said Henrie should take to vvyfe a daughter of the contrarie familie so great vvas in thos dayes the affection of English hartes tovvards the line of Lancaster for the great vvorthynes of such kinges as had reigned of that race hovv good or bad so euer their title vvere vvhich I stand not heare at this tyme to discus but onlie to insinuate vvhat partie the same found in our Realm in tymes past and consequentlie hovv extreame daungerous the contention for the same may be herafter especialie seing that at this day The line of Portugal the remander of that title is pretended to rest vvholie in a straunger vvhos povver is verie great VVhich vve Lavvyers are vvount to esteme as a point of no smal importaunce for iustifying of anie mans title to a kingedom SCHOL You Lavvyers vvant not reason in that Sir quoth I hovv so euer you vvant right for if you vvil examine the succession of gouernmentes from the begnining of the vvorld vnto this daye either among Gentile Ievve or Christian people you shal find that the svvord hath bene alvvayes better The svvord of greate force to iustifie the title of a kingdom then half the title to get establishe or mainteyne a kingdom vvhich maketh me the more apalled to heare you dicourse in such sorte of nevv cōtentiōs and forraine titles accōpained vvyth such povver and strength of the titlers VVhich cannot be but infinitelie daungerous and fatal to our Realm yf once it come to action both for the diuision that is like to be at home and the varietie of parties from abrode For as the Prince vvhom you signifie vvil nor faile by al likeliehood to pursue his title vvyth al forces that he can make if occasion vvere offered so reason of state and pollicie vvil enforce other Princes adioynīg to let hinder him therin Greate dangers vvhat they can and so by this meanes shal vve become Iuda Israel among our selues one killing and vexing the other vvyth the svvord and to forraine Princes vve shal be as the Iland of Salamina vvas in olde tyme to the Athenians and Megarians and as the Iland of Cicilia vvas aftervvard to the Grecians Carthaginians and Romans and as in our dayes the kingdom of Naples hath bene to the Spaniards Frenchemen Germans and Venetians That is a bayte to feed vpon and a game to fight for VVherfore I beseech the Lord to auerte from vs all occasions of such miseries And I pray you Sir for that vve are fallen into the mētion of thes matters to take so much paines as to open vnto me the grovvnd of thes controuersies so long novv quiet betvven York and Lancaster seing they are novv like to be raised againe For albeit in general I haue heard much therof yet in particular I either conceaue not or remember not the foundation of the same and much lesse the state of theire seueral titles at this daye for that it is a studie not properlie perteyning vnto my profession LAVV. The controuersie betvvene the houses of York and Lancaster quoth the Lavvyer tooke his actual beginning in the issue of K. Edvvard the third The beginning of the cōtrouersie betvvixt York and Lācaster vvho died somevvhat more then tvvo hundreth yeares gone but the occasion pretence or cause of that quarrel began in the children of K. Henrie the third vvho died an hundreth yeares before that and left tvvo sonnes Edvvard vvho vvas king after him by the name of Edvvard the first and vvas Graundfather to Edvvard the third and Edmond for his deformitie called Crookback Earle of Lancaster and beginner of that house vvhos inheritaunce aftervvard in the fovverth discent fel vpon a daughter named Blanche vvho vvas married to the fourth sonne of king Edvvard the third named Iohn of Gaunt for that he vvas Edmond Crooke-back begi●ner of the house of Lācaster borne in the Citye of Gaunt in Flaunders and so by this his first vvyfe he became Duke of Lancaster and heire of that house And for that his sonne Henrie of Bolingbrook aftervvarde called K. Henrie the fourth pretended among other thinges that Edmond Crookback great graundfather to Blanche his mother vvas the elder Blanche sonne of K. Henrie the third and iniustelie put by the inheritaunce of the Crovvn for that Iohn of Gaunt he vvas Crookebacked and deformed he toke by force the kingdom from Richard the second Hovv the kingdom vvas first broght to the house of Lancaster nephevv to king Edvvard the third by his first sonne placed the same in the house of Lācaster vvhere it remained for three vvhole discētes vntil aftervvarde Edvvard Duke of York descended of Iohn of Gauntes yonger brother making clayme to the Crovvn by title of his graundmother that vvas heire to Lionel Duke of Clarence Iohn of Gauntes elder brother toke the same by force from Henrie the sixt of the house of Lancaster and brought it backe againe to the house of Yo●● vvher it contineued vvith much trouble in tvvo kinges onlie vntil bothe houses vvere ioyned together in king Henrie the seuenth and his noble issue Hereby vve see hovv the issue of Iohn of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster fourth sonne to K. Edvvard the third pretended right to the Crovvn by Edmond Crookbacke before the issue of al the other thre sonnes of Edvvard the third albeit they vvere the elder brothers vvherof vve vvil speake The issue of Iohn of Gaunt more hereafter Novv Iohn of Gaunt though he had manie children yet had he fovver onlie of vvhom issue remaine tvvo sonnes and tvvo daughters The first sonne vvas Henrie of Bolingbrooke Duke of Lancaster vvho toke the Crovvn from K. Richard the second his vnkles sonne as hath bene said and first of al planted the same in the house of Lancaster vvhere it remayned in tvvo discentes after him that is in his sonne Henrie the first and in his nephevv Henrie the sixt vvho vvas aftervvard destroyed together vvith Henry Prince of VVales his only sonne heire and consequelie al that Line of Henrie Bolingbrok extinguished by Edvvard the fourth of the house of York The other sōne of Iohn of Gaūt vvas Iohn Duke of Somerset by Katherin S Finsford his third vvife The pedegree of K Henrie the 7. vvhich Iohn had issue an other Iohn and he Margaret his daughter heire vvho being married to Edmond Tyder Earle of Richmond had issue Henrie Earle of Richmond vvho after vvas named K. Henrie the seuenth vvhos Line yet endureth The tvvoe daughters of Iohn of Gaunt vvere married to Portugal and Castile that is Philippe The tvvo daughte●s
this Testament but rather some friend of the house of Suffolk in vvhos fauour I take it that it vvas first of al forged GENTL It may be quoth the Gentleman nor vvil I stand obstinatlie in the cōtrarie for that it is hard sometyme to iudge of vvhat faction eche one is vvho discourseth of thes affaires But yet I maruail yf it vvere as you say vvhie Leycesters father after king Edvvardes death made no mention therof in the fauour of Suffolk in the other Testament vvhych then he proclaymed as made by K. Edvvard deceased for prefermēt of Suffolk before his ovvne sisters LAVV. The cause of this is euident quoth the Lavvyer The Duk of Northumbe●landes drift for that it made not sufficientlie for his purpose vvhich vvas to disinherit the tvvo daughters of K. Henrie him selfe aduaunce the house of Suffolk before them both GENTL A notable chaunge quoth the Gentleman that a title so much exalted of late by the father aboue al order right rank and degre should novv be so much debased by the sonne as though it vvere not vvorthie to hold anie degre but rather to be trodē vnder foote for plaine bastardie And you see by this hovv true it is vvhich I tolde you before The mutable dealig of the house of Dudley that the race of Dudleys are moste cunning Marchantes to make their gaine of al thinges men tymes And as vve haue seene novv tvvo testamētes aleaged the one of the king father the other of the king sonne both of them in preiudice of the testators true successours so manie good subiectes begin greatlie to feare that vve may chaunce to see shortlie a third testament of her Ma. for the intituling of Huntington and extirpation of K. Henries blood that before her Ma. can think of sicknes vvherin I beseech the Lord I be no Prophet But novv Sir to the forsaid vvil testamēt of K. Hēry I haue often heard in trueth that the thing vvas counterfeit or at the leaste not able to be proued and that it vvas discouered reiected and defaced in Q. Maries tyme but I vvould gladlie vnderstand vvhat you Lavvyers esteme or iudge therof LAVV. Touching this matter quoth the Lavvyer it cannot be denied but that in the tvventy and eight and thirtie and sixt yeares of king Henries reigne vpon consideration of some doubt irresolution The authoritie and occasion of K. Henries testamē● vvhych the king him selfe had shevved to haue about the order of succession in his ovvn children as also for taking avvay al occasions of controuersies in thos of the next blood the vvhole parliament gaue authoritie vnto the said king to debate determine thos matters him self together vvyth his learned councell vvho best knevv the lavves of the Realm and titles that anie man might haue therby and that vvhat soeuer succession his Ma. should declare as moste right and lavvful vnder his letters patentes sealed or by his last vvil and testament rightfullie made and signed vvyth his ovvn hand that the same should be receyued for good and lavvful Vppon pretence vvherof soone after K. Henries death ther vvas shevved a vvil vvyth the kings stamp at the same the names of diuers vvytnesses vvherin as hath bene bene said the succession of the Crovvn after the kings ovvn children is assigned to the heires of Fraunces and of Elenore neipces to the king by his yonger sister VVhich assignatiō of the Crovvn being as it vvere a mere guifte in preiudice of the elder sisters right as also of the right of Fraunces and Elenore them selues vvho vvere omitted in the same assignation their heires intituled onlie vvas esteemed to be against al reason lavv and nature consequentlie not thought to proceed from so vvise and sage a The kīgs Testamēt forged Prince as K. Henrie vvas knovvē to be but rather ether the vvhole forged or at Leastvvyse that clause inserted by other and the kinges stampe set vnto it after his death or vvhen his Ma. lay novv past vnderstanding And hereof there vvanteth not diuers moste euident reasons and proofes For first it is not probable or credible that K. The first reason Henrie vvould euer go about against lavv and reason to disinherit the line of his eldest sister vvythout Iniustice improbabilitie anie profit or interest to him self and therby giue moste euident occasion of Ciuil vvarre and discorde vvyrhin the Realm seing that in such a case of manifest and apparent vvrong in so great a matter the authoritie of parliament taketh litle effect against the true lavvful inheritour as vvel apeared in the former tymes contētions of Henrie the sixt Edvvard the fourth and Richard the third in vvhose reignes the diuers and contrarie parliamentes made and holden against the next inheritour held no longer vvyth anie man then vntil the other vvas able to make his ovvn partie good So Likevvise in the case of king Edvvard the The example of Fraunce third his succession to Fraunce in the right of his mother though he vvere excluded by the general assemblie and consent of their parliamentes yet he esteemed not his right extinguished therby as neither did other kinges of our countrie that ensued after him And for our present case yf nothing els shoulde haue restreyned king Henrie from such open iniustice tovvardes his eldest sister yet this cogitation atleast vvould haue stayed him that by geuing example of supplanting his elder Sisters Line by vertue of a testament or pretence of parliament some other might take occasion to displace his children by like pretence as vve see that Duke Dudley did soone after by a forged testament of K. Edvvard the sixt So redie Scholars ther are to be found vvhich easilie vvil learne such The secōd reason Incōgruities indignities Lessons of iniquitie Secondlye ther be to manye incongruyties and indignities in the sayd pretended VVyll to proceed from suche a Prince and learned Councell as king Hēries vvas For first vvhat can be more ridiculous then to giue the Crovvn vnto the heires of Fraunces and Elenore and not to anie of them selues or vvhat had they offended that their heires should enioye the Crovvn in their right and not they them selues VVhat yf king Henries children should haue died vvhiles Ladie Fraunces had bene yet a liue vvho should haue possessed the kingdō before her seing her Line vvas next and yet by this testament she could not pretēd her self to obteine Adrian Stokes it But rather hauing married Adrain Stokes her horskeper she must haue suffred her sonne by him yf she had anie to enioy the Crovvn and so Adriā of a seruing-man and master of horses should haue become the Great Master Protector of Englād Of like absurditie is that other clause also vvherin the king bindeth his ovvn daughters to marrie by cōsent directiō of his counsell or othervvise to leese the benefit of their succession but yet bindeth not his neipces