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A34537 The interest of England in the matter of religion the first and second parts : unfolded in the solution of three questions / written by John Corbet. Corbet, John, 1620-1680. 1661 (1661) Wing C6256; ESTC R2461 85,526 278

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be one with the Church of Rome unless we be subject to the Court of Rome and abandon all Protestantism Section XXXIV Whereupon all approaches and motions towards Rome are dangerous For popish Agents will easily over-act the Reconcilers peradventure lead them whither they would not If we walk on the brink we may soon fall into the pit Although it stands not with Christian Charity to disclaim agreement upon reasonable tearms with any that are named Christians yet it is not fit for a purer Church to incorporate with a Church defiled with such abominations Besides as to reason of State Enmity with Rome hath been reputed the Stability of England concerning which the Duke of Rhoan hath delivered this Maxime That besides the Interest which the King of England hath common with all Princes he hath yet one particular which is that he ought thoroughly to acquire the advancement of the Protestant Religion even with as much zeal as the King of Spain appears Protector of the Catholick Indeed that Scarlet-coloured Whore hath this bewitching ingredient in the cup of her Fornication that she disposeth Subjects to security and blind obedience and exalteth Princes unto absolute Dominion But against this poison a soveraign Antidote is given by a judicious Writer that this proves that subjects are more miserable not that Princes are more absolute among Papists forasmuch as where the Pope prevails there is a co-domination and rivalty in rule and this Protestant Princes are freed from and whereas Popery hath been ever infamous for excommunicating murthering deposing Princes the Protestant Religion aims at nothing but that the Kings Prerogative and popular Liberty may be even balanced If it be said that this is true of Protestantism but Puritanism leads to sedition rebelIion Anarchy let the world know that Puritanism which is no other than sound Protestantism doth abhor these crimes and defie the charge thereof The people that were called Puritans and now Presbyterians have had no fellowship with Polititians and Sectaries in those pernicious ways but their principle is for subjection to Princes though they were Hereticks or Infidels and if they differ herein from the Prelatical Protestants it is only that they plead for liberty setled by known Laws and fundamental Constitutions Section XXXV From the reasons aforegoing we conclude That Protestantism will best consist in the middle way by reducing Prelacy to the ancient synodical government or moderate Episcopacy And this is a blessed work worthy of a pacifick King w th respect to his honor service whose title is The Prince of Peace Herein his Majesty with Gods help may over-rule without difficulty or hazzard He need not say of those that are averse as David sometimes did of the sons of Zerviah That they are too hard for him Prelacy is not popular but moderate Episcopacy is and the more because it is a healing expedient for our broken times The Bishops depend intirely on the King but he hath no dependance on them no need of advantage from them What if some interessed persons be discontented The sober of the Nation both Episcopal and Presbyterian will have great contentment in the King's prudence and moderation His Majesty is a Prince by Nature He is our Native King and the delight of the English Nation and may govern as he please without fear or hazard by continuing to shew himself a common Father For there is none other upon whom the Inrest of England can bottom it self but our gracious dread Soveraign King Charles whose House and Kingdom let the most High establish throughout all generations He hath all hearts that are of sober principles earnestly waiting upon him longing and panting after his moderation and rejoycing in the begun expressions thereof and of which the Presbyterians have had so great expectation that they wished He were both King Lords and Commons as to the setling of this grand Affair Section XXXVI The excessive dominion of the Hierarchy with the rigorous imposition of humane Ceremonies was accounted much of the malady of former times which ended in those deadly Convulsions of Church and State Do we here reproach our Mother the Church of England In no wise This National Church consists of the Body of the Nation combined in the Unity of Faith and substance of Divine worship according to God's holy Word But if the Church be taken in a more restrained sence for the Clergy or Ministery yet so the Hierarchy is not the Church either formally or virtually When as according to Camdens report there are in England above nine thousand four hundred Ecclesiastical promotions how comes all the Interest and virtue of such a numerous Clergy to be gathered up in six and twenty Bishops with their respective Deans and Chapters and Archdeacons And can the self-same state and frame of Ecclesiasticks be now revived after so great and long continued alterations by which the anti-prelatical party is exceedingly encreased and strengthened Machiavel whose reason in things political may challenge regard gives these two directions to a Prince to be alike observed for securing his hereditary Dominions First that he doth not transgress the institutions of his Ancestors Secondly That he serve the time according to new occasions by which if a Prince be inducd with ordinary diligence in action he will preserve himself in his principality His Majesty returns to the exercise of his Kingly power after a long interruption in Government and great alteration in the State Civil and Ecclesiastical And he hath this happy advantage presenting it self to his hand that he may give general satisfaction by retaining the ancient Episcopal Government with some necessary variation conformable to these times in abating the excess of former things and qualifying the same with some temperate ingredients Certainly it concerns an hereditary Prince as to maintain the ancient constitutions so to redress ancient grievances and to cure inveterate maladies The party dissatisfied in former things were not a company of precipitate Mutineers but a Parliament of judicious and consciencious persons and their adherents who for the major part never intended to dissolve the Government but have to their power endeavoured and contrived the setling of these Nations on their ancient basis Section XXXVII Moreover this dissatisfaction in the old frame of the Ecclesiastical Government is not a novelty of these times as appears by those prudent considerations touching the better pacification and edification of the Church presented to King James by that most learned Lord Verulam sometimes Lord Chancellour of England who was no Presbyterian nor enemy to Episcopacy in which are these passages There be two circumstances in the administration of Bishops wherein I confess I could never be satisfied The one the sole Exercise of their Authority the other the Deputation of their Authority For the first the Bishop giveth orders alone excommunicateth alone judgeth alone This seems to be a thing almost without example in Government and therefore not unlikely to have crept in in
its adequate Foundation That whilst the two forenamed Parties remain divided both the Protestant Religion and the Kingdom of England is divided against it self That the Presbyterians cannot be rooted out nor their Interest swallowed up whilest the State of England remaineth Protestant That their subversion if it be possible to be accomplished will be very pernicious to the Protestant Religion and the Kingdom of England That the Coalition of both Parties into one may be effected by an equal accommodation without repugnancy to their conscientious Principles on either side in so much that nothing justifiable by Religion or sound Reason can put a bar to this desirable Union Now for as much as political matters are involved in difficulties and perplexities by variety of complicated concernments all which should be thorowly seen and diligently examined and compared and because the minds of men are commonly pre-ingaged or at least much byassed in these matters and thereupon are not easily removed from their pre-conceived opinions I could not rest satisfied as having done my part in this healing Work unless besides a firm and clear proof of things in general I endeavour a deeper impression and more effectual perswasion by searching on e-every side by pressing up close to those closest concernments and most obstinate prejudices that oppose themselves and by opening the passages and making the way plain to this desired Pacification Section II. It is a grave and weighty saying of the Duke of Rohan Princes command the people and Interest commands the Princes The knowledge of this Interest is as much more raised above that of Princes Actions as they themselves are above the People A Prince may deceive himself the Councel may be corrupt but the Interest alone never faileth according as it is well or ill understood it maketh States to live or dye According to this saying it is matter of life and death political to the Kingdom of England as it doth well or ill understand its own Interest In this deliberation two Interests exceeding great and precious offer themselves unto us They are distinct yet not divided but they embrace each other and they both apparently belong to us and are undoubtedly to be owned by us The one is Religious the other Civil The former is that of the Protestant Religion and the latter is that of this Kingdom Wherefore in this Inquiry the main and fundamental point of knowledge lies in discerning the true state of both Now the true state of any Society lies in the Universality or the whole Body not in any contracting or sub-dividing part thereof And the Interest lies in the conversation and advancement of the Universality Section III. Hereupon this question ariseth which is the great Case and Question of the present times Whether we should assert the contracted and dividing Interest of one Party before the general Interest of Protestantism and of the whole Kingdom of England in which the Episcopal and Presbyterian Parties may be happily United Be it here observed That such is the joynt stock of both Parties in things of greatest moment that by declining extreams on both hands the Protestant Religion may be strengthened with Unity in Doctrine Worship and Discipline among all its professors and the Kingdom of England by an inviolable Union between these comprehensive Parties may flourish in peace and plenty for those discords that divide the members and distract the whole body will cease and those common concernments which tend to uphold and encrease the Universality will be acknowledged and pursued Section IV. To turn aside from this common Interest of the whole body to those inferiour partial ones is to set up the trade of Monopolizers which inevitably brings this mischief that a few grow rich by impoverishing the Common-wealth and this inconvenience also to them that follow the trade that they grow rich upon the sudden but are not secure because many are oppressed and more excluded from sharing in the benefit In the present case if the one Party be the only exalted Ones and the other trodden under foot the damage will redound to the Protestant cause and to the Church and Kingdom of England For whatsoever some men think this Church and Kingdom is concerned in the one as well as in the other Party In the same case though one side should rise suddenly to a great height yet their Estate would be more secure and lasting if they held the way open and secure to those of the other side seeing they are willing to close upon terms just and reasonable Section V. Moreover those Kingdoms and Common-wealths and Societies of all kinds which are of the largest Foundation are of the greatest potency Now a comprehensive Interest that takes in vast multitudes is indeed a large Foundation and a Society that builds upon it shall become great and mighty but a contracted Interest that draws all to a fewer number is a narrow Foundation and if it exclude many that should be taken in it is too narrow for the Fabrick that should rest upon it As a large house cannot be built upon a narrow foundation so a great Kingdom such as is the Kingdom of England and an ample Society such as is that of the Protestant Religion cannot be built upon a narrow Interest Let it be considered that the adverse Kingdom to wit the Papacy is ample and powerfull Should not the Protestant Religion and the Church of England aim at enlargement and lengthen their cords to take within their line all those that are intirely affected to them Then might they send forth much more numerous Forces of able Champions against the Armies of Antichrist So should this National Church become terrible as an Army with Banners Section VI. Besides those reasons for Unity which concern all Kingdoms and Nations in the like case there is one reason peculiar to this Kingdom or rather to this Island of Great Brittain which is a little world apart It is a notable saying which hath been taken up That England is a mighty Animal that cannot dye except it destroy it self God hath so seated and placed this Island that nothing but division within it self can hurt it If envie and faction do not make us to forget our dear Country and destroy our selves the hope of Forreign Enemies will be for ever cut off Wherefore it must needs be the wisdom of this State to smother all dividing Factions and to abolish all partial Interests that the common Interest of England may be alone exalted Section VII I am not ignorant that designs of Pacification between disagreeing Parties are liable to much suspition misconstruction and hard censure that the attempts of Reconcilers have commonly proved fruitless and sometimes matter of disreputation to themselves and no marvel that such cross effects should commonly follow such attempts for sometimes they are made to reconcile light and darkness the Temple of God and Idols This was the way of a Great One even a Prince in Learnings Empire who
as intire and firm as ever Hitherto I have asserted the Interest of the Universality in opposition to the advancement of a partial Interest I have endeavoured to make it manifest That the several Parties by a mutual yielding and waving their partial Interests may be united to promote the Interest of the Universality for I have laid these ground-works to wit That the breach is not kept open by any formed Doctrine or Conclusion of either Party nor as I trust by the spirit of everlasting enmity but either by a humour of opposition that may be qualified and subdued or by some carnal design which may and must be denied when its errour and danger is discovered In the remainder of this Discourse I am to shew That the Presbyterians are fit and worthy to be imbodied with the whole number of the good people of England in the next place to perswade the Union by several Arguments and then to remove certain impediments and to argue from the particular concernments of the King of the Nobility and Gentry and of the Episcopal Clergy and lastly to offer some few essays concerning the paths of Peace Section XVIII Saint Paul was sometimes constrained by the weakness of some and the malice of others to boast on his own behalf and to Apologize again and again for speaking as a fool I trust therefore that wise men will bear with that unto which the like necessity compels me on the behalf of the people that are now denominated Presbyterian In estimating the numbers of this perswasion it is not the right way to go by the Poll throughout all sorts promiscuously but to take a survey of the intelligent and active sort of the people and in that sort to compare their number with others Howbeit in any way of reckoning suppose them the lesser yet they may be found a balancing number But I am willing to pass from number to weight They that will not acknowledge them to be sincere cannot deny them to be serious persons they that will not acknowledge them to be sober in their judgements cannot deny them to be sober in their conversations But we know they are both serious and sincere and sober as well in Religion as in Morality and a few sober people are more valuable both for Religious and Civil concernments than a multitude of dissolute or vain and empty persons One serious rational man will carry more in fit opportunities than all the vapourers in the neighbourhood Those that are ill affected to the Presbyterians commonly despise them as an unlearned dull sort of men knowing nothing Truly we will not herein boast beyond our line nor magnifie those of our own perswasion in derogation to any others but we think that this disparagement is cast upon them because they are commonly no vapourers Surely they have amongst them both Divines and Gentlemen who do not use to turn their backs upon gainsayers but have been and will be ready to render a reason of their judgment and practice to any that shall demand it of them Nevertheless we do not envy the learning of any Episcopal Divines but gladly acknowledge it and desire to partake in the benefit of it and wish that whatsoever gift is received by any may be more and more servicable to the Church of God Neither are they an ignoble abject sort it hath not at all appeared that they have degenerated from the English Virtue and Valour They have for common tranquility and safety closed with the first opportunity for a general accord and so have knowingly made way for the reviving of the other Party supposing that the former enmity would cease And they had reason to hope that amidst the joy of the Nation they should not be left in sadness The present interruption and check given to this expected reconciliation we attribute to the hurry of mens minds upon this great and unexpected change by which it happeneth that they scarce know where they are and hardly contain themselves within due bounds But we trust that these passions will be over and the spirits of all will settle in a calm and good temper Hitherto the contradictions may pass for the effects of passion not of inveterate malice wherefore dum res est integra let second thoughts be milder A quick passage of Count Olivares touching the right way of Accommodation may be pertinent to this business Our late Soveraign when Prince of Wales being in the Spanish Court in pursuance of the marriage with the Infanta of Spain and the Negotiation being clogged with many interruptions discontents and jealousies and all being like to fall asunder Olivares whether in humour or earnest propounded these three ways The first That Prince Charles should become a Catholique The second That the Infanta should be delivered unto him upon the former security without further Condition The third was To bind him as fast as they could and not to trust him with any thing Of these three ways he said the two former were good but the last was a bad one In like manner might a discerning Prelatist resolve that there be three ways of bringing these disputes to an issue The first That the Presbyterians should voluntarily become Episcopal and thorowly conformable The second That the way of brotherly accord should be held open and secure to them by an equal Accommodation The third That they be trusted in nothing but bound up fast by the hardest Condition that can be imposed Of these three ways let him conclude with respect to his own interest that the two former are good but the last very bad Section XIX Much partiality and prejudice hath gotten the sway in those men that speak and act as if there were cause to fear none to curb none to provide remedies against none but Presbyterians Was England acquainted with no troubles or infested with no intestine broyls before this kind of men arose Are these the proper enemies of England Let them know that the true intestine Enemies of any State are those within it that depend upon Forreign Interests and on whom Forreign States have influence A great States-man makes it one fundamental maxime of Queen ELIZABETH to banish hence the exercise of the Roman Religion because it was the onely means to break all the plots of the Spaniards who under this pretext did here foment Rebellion Upon the same ground the Law banisheth Popish Priests that Forreign influences might not distemper this Kingdom But the Presbyterians can have no temptation to tamper with Forreign Combinations for their Interest is precisely and perfectly Protestant and for their unreconcilableness to the Church of Rome their greatest adversaries will bear them witness And when ever this Land shall have need of help against its chiefest Enemies they will be found so true to the Interest of England as none more and consequently must and will be interessed in its defence Wherefore let England have regard to those that must be her fast friends not only for