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A69269
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The speech of the Lord Chancellor of England, in the Eschequer Chamber, touching the post-nati
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Egerton, Thomas, Sir, 1540?-1617.
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STC 7540.5; ESTC S100270
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sometime_o a_o more_o large_a extension_n for_o he_o that_o be_v a_o alien_n bear_v out_o of_o the_o king_n dominion_n under_o the_o obedience_n of_o another_o king_n if_o he_o dwell_v in_o england_n and_o be_v protect_v by_o the_o king_n and_o his_o law_n he_o owe_v to_o the_o king_n the_o duty_n of_o allegiance_n and_o so_o he_o be_v ligatus_fw-la regi_fw-la and_o ligeus_n regis_fw-la and_o if_o he_o commit_v treason_n the_o indictment_n shall_v be_v contra_fw-la ligeantiae_fw-la suae_fw-la debitum_fw-la as_o it_o be_v in_o shirley_n the_o frenchman_n case_n yet_o be_v he_o not_o the_o king_n subject_n for_o he_o be_v not_o bear_v ad_fw-la fidem_fw-la regis_fw-la but_o this_o be_v not_o that_o ligeance_n which_o we_o must_v find_v for_o in_o a_o true_a and_o lawful_a subject_n there_o must_v be_v subiectio_fw-la fides_fw-la &_o obedientia_fw-la and_o those_o can_v be_v sever_v no_o more_o than_o true_a faith_n and_o charity_n in_o a_o true_a christian_a and_o he_o that_o have_v these_o three_o à _fw-fr nativitate_fw-la be_v ligeus_n regis_fw-la and_o can_v not_o be_v a_o stranger_n or_o alien_n to_o the_o king_n or_o in_o his_o kingdom_n and_o that_o it_o be_v so_o may_v be_v prove_v by_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o other_o two_o interpretation_n of_o law_n that_o be_v analogica_fw-la analogica_fw-la &_o practica_fw-la king_n james_n have_v now_o the_o kingdom_n of_o england_n scotland_n and_o ireland_n and_o the_o isle_n of_o gernsey_n and_o jersey_n by_o descent_n all_o these_o be_v his_o dominion_n and_o under_o his_o subjection_n and_o obedience_n king_n henry_n the_o second_o have_v england_n and_o normandy_n by_o descent_n from_o his_o mother_n maud_n the_o empress_n and_o anjou_n and_o main_a by_o descent_n from_o his_o father_n geoffrey_n plantagenet_n and_o ireland_n by_o conquest_n henry_n the_o three_o have_v england_n and_o ireland_n by_o descent_n from_o his_o grandfather_n henry_n the_o second_o and_o aquitany_n by_o descent_n from_o his_o 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in_o scotland_n be_v at_o this_o time_n in_o like_a degree_n for_o in_o proportion_n and_o in_o likeness_n and_o conveniency_n there_o can_v be_v no_o difference_n at_o all_o but_o whether_o the_o subject_n bear_v in_o those_o country_n in_o the_o time_n of_o those_o king_n be_v then_o capable_a of_o land_n in_o england_n as_o natural_a subject_n similia_fw-la or_o be_v deem_v alien_n be_v the_o question_n and_o therein_o interpretatio_fw-la practica_fw-la be_v to_o be_v consider_v and_o so_o the_o case_n be_v bring_v to_o be_v examine_v per_fw-la similia_fw-la and_o in_o divinity_n praxis_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la est_fw-la interpres_fw-la praeceptorum_fw-la now_o than_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o the_o king_n subject_n of_o england_n and_o scotland_n that_o be_v postnati_a may_v be_v resemble_v to_o the_o king_n subject_n of_o ireland_n and_o the_o isle_n of_o gernesey_n etc._n etc._n as_o now_o they_o be_v and_o to_o the_o subject_n of_o normandy_n anjou_n and_o gascoigne_n and_o 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this_o time_n the_o duke_n of_o savoy_n the_o duke_n of_o florence_n the_o duke_n and_o state_n of_o venice_n and_o of_o late_a the_o great_a duke_n of_o russia_n the_o duke_n of_o burgundy_n the_o archduke_n of_o austria_n etc._n etc._n so_o the_o difference_n in_o style_n and_o name_n make_v no_o difference_n in_o sovereignty_n for_o king_n henry_n the_o eight_o have_v as_o absolute_a sovereignty_n in_o ireland_n when_o his_o style_n be_v lord_n of_o ireland_n as_o when_o he_o change_v his_o style_n and_o be_v call_v king_n of_o ireland_n and_o to_o say_v that_o the_o tenure_n of_o the_o crown_n of_o france_n shall_v give_v any_o privilege_n to_o they_o of_o normandy_n and_o aquitanie_n in_o england_n be_v a_o strange_a conceit_n it_o may_v rather_o be_v object_v against_o they_o but_o as_o i_o say_v before_o they_o be_v bear_v within_o the_o king_n dominion_n and_o under_o his_o obeisance_n and_o therefore_o as_o subject_n bear_v in_o england_n and_o if_o man_n may_v believe_v some_o ancient_a story_n aquitany_n and_o normandy_n have_v sometime_o king_n and_o be_v kingdom_n of_o themselves_o and_o not_o depend_v nor_o subject_a to_o the_o crown_n of_o france_n and_o the_o kingdom_n of_o france_n be_v then_o a_o small_a portion_n of_o gallia_n and_o but_o a_o little_a one_o in_o comparison_n of_o that_o which_o it_o be_v at_o this_o day_n and_o some_o say_v that_o there_o be_v four_o and_o twenty_o king_n in_o gaul_n but_o as_o the_o king_n of_o france_n increase_v in_o power_n and_o strength_n they_o subdue_v their_o neighbor-prince_n and_o so_o that_o kingdom_n grow_v to_o that_o greatness_n that_o now_o it_o be_v at_o even_o as_o the_o heptarchy_n in_o england_n be_v dissolve_v and_o make_v a_o entire_a kingdom_n when_o one_o of_o the_o king_n mighty_a than_o the_o rest_n subdue_v his_o neighbour_n it_o be_v say_v further_a england_n that_o normandy_n and_o aquitany_n be_v subject_n to_o the_o crown_n of_o england_n 3._o and_o to_o the_o great_a seal_n of_o england_n but_o so_o be_v not_o scotland_n ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n this_o stand_v not_o well_o with_o that_o which_o respon_n be_v object_v before_o that_o they_o be_v but_o signory_n houlden_v of_o the_o crown_n of_o france_n and_o it_o be_v true_a that_o before_o edward_n the_o three_o time_n those_o king_n of_o england_n that_o hold_v those_o great_a signory_n do_v acknowledge_v that_o they_o hold_v the_o same_o of_o the_o crown_n of_o france_n but_o these_o objection_n be_v light_a and_o not_o worth_a the_o time_n that_o have_v be_v spend_v about_o they_o the_o sovereignty_n be_v in_o the_o person_n of_o the_o king_n the_o crown_n be_v but_o a_o ensign_n of_o sovereignty_n the_o inuesture_n and_o coronation_n be_v but_o ceremony_n of_o honour_n and_o majesty_n the_o king_n be_v a_o absolute_a and_o perfect_a king_n before_o he_o be_v crown_v and_o without_o those_o ceremony_n the_o seal_n be_v to_o be_v alter_v and_o change_v at_o the_o will_n and_o pleasure_n of_o the_o king_n he_o may_v have_v one_o he_o may_v have_v many_o as_o please_v he_o the_o king_n do_v use_v queen_n elizabeth_n seal_n for_o diverse_a month_n after_o his_o come_n into_o england_n queen_n elizabeth_n use_v king_n philip_n &_o queen_n mary_n seal_n for_o a_o time_n and_o queen_n marie_n use_v king_n edward_n seal_n and_o all_o that_o be_v so_o do_v be_v well_o and_o lawful_o do_v many_o thing_n be_v do_v by_o ancient_a king_n of_o england_n before_o the_o conquest_n by_o their_o signature_n and_o sign_n manuel_n without_o any_o seal_n at_o all_o and_o some_o such_o since_o the_o conquest_n also_o as_o grant_n make_v by_o maude_n the_o empress_n to_o albericke_n de_fw-fr vere_n and_o other_o the_o king_n may_v by_o his_o great_a seal_n command_v all_o his_o subject_n that_o be_v under_o his_o obedience_n wheresoever_o they_o be_v in_o the_o world_n so_o he_o do_v in_o normandy_n so_o he_o do_v in_o aquitany_n so_o he_o do_v in_o that_o part_n of_o scotland_n that_o he_o have_v in_o possession_n and_o in_o 24._o edw._n 1._o his_o judge_n keep_v ordinary_a court_n of_o justice_n there_o and_o i_o have_v see_v the_o record_n of_o placita_fw-la exercitus_fw-la regis_fw-la apud_fw-la edinburgh_n apud_fw-la roxburgh_n apud_fw-la s._n johns-towne_n etc._n etc._n in_o scotia_n so_o he_o may_v command_v his_o subject_n if_o they_o be_v in_o france_n spain_n rome_n or_o turkey_n or_o the_o indies_n and_o for_o several_a seal_n the_o earl_n of_o chester_n have_v a_o special_a seal_n for_o that_o his_o ancient_a county_n palatine_n the_o duke_n of_o lancaster_n have_v a_o special_a seal_n for_o his_o new_a county_n palatine_n and_o after_o when_o these_o county_n come_v to_o the_o king_n possession_n the_o king_n continue_v several_a seal_n in_o they_o both_o for_o the_o administration_n of_o justice_n but_o as_o subordinate_a to_o the_o great_a seal_n of_o england_n and_o i_o make_v little_a doubt_n but_o if_o the_o king_n shall_v now_o command_v any_o of_o his_o subject_n of_o scotland_n under_o his_o great_a seal_n of_o england_n they_o will_v as_o they_o ought_v dutiful_o obey_v he_o as_o in_o king_n edward_n the_o 1._o edward_n the_o 2._o and_o edward_n the_o 3._o time_n they_o command_v many_o of_o the_o lord_n of_o that_o part_n of_o scotland_n which_o then_o be_v under_o their_o obedience_n i_o find_v that_o in_o 13._o edw._n 2._o quarto_fw-la die_fw-la junij_fw-la the_o king_n constituit_fw-la adomarun_n de_fw-fr valentia_n comitem_fw-la pembrochiae_fw-la custodem_fw-la regni_fw-la svi_fw-la ac_fw-la locum_fw-la suum_fw-la tenentem_fw-la quamdiu_fw-la rex_fw-la in_o partibus_fw-la transmarinis_fw-la moram_fw-la fecerit_fw-la and_o the_o next_o day_n viz._n die_fw-la jovis_fw-la quinto_fw-la die_fw-la junij_fw-la rex_fw-la ordinavit_fw-la quod_fw-la magnum_fw-la sigillum_fw-la suum_fw-la remaneret_fw-la clausum_fw-la in_o liquo_fw-la loco_fw-la securo_fw-la dum_fw-la rex_fw-la esset_fw-la in_o partibus_fw-la transmarinis_fw-la et_fw-la ordinavit_fw-la quoddam_fw-la aliud_fw-la paruum_fw-la sigillum_fw-la interim_n pro_fw-la regimine_fw-la regni_fw-la ad_fw-la brevia_fw-la etc._n etc._n consignanda_fw-la sub_fw-la teste_fw-la adomari_fw-la de_fw-la valentia_n comitis_fw-la pembroch_o nota_fw-la here_o be_v a_o petty_a seal_n pro_fw-la regimine_fw-la regni_fw-la wherein_o be_v comprise_v commission_n for_o justice_n mandatoria_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la brevia_fw-la consignanda_fw-la which_o be_v for_o remedialia_fw-la as_o they_o be_v term_v it_o be_v say_v law_n that_o scotland_n have_v law_n that_o be_v proper_a for_o that_o kingdom_n 4._o &_o that_o they_o be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o law_n of_o england_n and_o so_o è_fw-la contra_fw-la and_o last_o it_o be_v say_v that_o in_o england_n every_o person_n be_v within_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o some_o leete_n and_o at_o the_o age_n of_o twelve_o year_n every_o one_o be_v to_o be_v swear_v in_o the_o leete_n to_o be_v foiall_a and_o loyal_a to_o the_o king_n of_o england_n that_o be_v to_o the_o law_n of_o england_n for_o so_o he_o understand_v loyal_a but_o postnati_a in_o scotland_n can_v not_o be_v so_o and_o that_o they_o have_v a_o other_o form_n of_o oath_n in_o scotland_n ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o this_o last_o part_n respon_n of_o the_o oath_n in_o the_o leete_n the_o lord_n chief_a baron_n do_v clear_v it_o so_o plain_o as_o more_o need_v not_o to_o be_v say_v this_o be_v legalis_fw-la ligeantia_fw-la it_o be_v not_o alta_fw-la ligeantia_fw-la by_o birth_n which_o be_v that_o which_o we_o have_v now_o in_o question_n the_o historical_a discourse_n that_o have_v be_v make_v of_o leete_n of_o law_n day_n of_o decenna_n decennarij_fw-la of_o the_o tenne-mens_n tale_n and_o the_o oath_n of_o all_o male_a child_n of_o twelve_o year_n etc._n etc._n take_v at_o the_o leete_n be_v no_o news_n indeed_o it_o be_v very_o old_a master_n lambard_n have_v it_o all_o centuria_fw-la and_o more_o too_o at_o large_a in_o explicatione_n verborum_fw-la in_o the_o word_n centuria_fw-la it_o be_v before_o the_o conquest_n but_o it_o make_v no_o hang_v to_o this_o natural_a allegiance_n and_o subjection_n of_o birth_n it_o be_v not_o alta_fw-la ligeantia_fw-la by_o birthright_n it_o be_v but_o legalis_fw-la ligeantia_fw-la by_o policy_n and_o fitzherbert_n call_v it_o swear_v to_o the_o law_n and_o if_o that_o be_v the_o only_a bond_n and_o mark_n of_o allegiance_n many_o be_v out_o of_o it_o and_o so_o at_o liberty_n as_o child_n under_o twelve_o year_n yet_o sometime_o they_o may_v commit_v treason_n and_o felony_n where_o malitia_fw-la supplet_fw-la aetatem_fw-la so_o woman_n of_o all_o sort_n yet_o they_o may_v be_v shrewd_a and_o dangerous_a traitor_n and_o if_o they_o be_v woman_n noble_o bear_v or_o widow_n that_o be_v wife_n to_o noble_a man_n they_o shall_v be_v try_v per_fw-la pares_fw-la also_o noble_a man_n of_o all_o sort_n who_o be_v neither_o bound_n to_o attend_v the_o leete_n nor_o to_o take_v that_o oath_n as_o appear_v by_o britton_n cap._n