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A05091 Politique discourses, treating of the differences and inequalities of vocations, as well publique, as priuate with the scopes or endes wherevnto they are directed. Translated out of French, by Ægremont Ratcliffe Esquire.; Discours politiques sur la voye d'enter deuëment aux estats. English La Place, Pierre de, 1520-1572.; Radcliffe, Egremont, d. 1578. 1589 (1589) STC 15230.5; ESTC S110593 110,171 164

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kingdome of Macedon the lesse vnto his successours yea greater saide he because it shal be the more durable and farre surer CHAPTER VI. Of the exteriour vocation to the Imperiall dignitie as well of the East as of the West BEside the Royall vocation there is the Imperiall calling whereof we haue not yet spoken wherevnto it appeareth that men haue entred by diuers meanes For it is moste certeine that the first vsurped that authoritie by force and violence As Iulius Caesar Augustus and sithens them some of their successours partely by consent of their souldiours and authoritie of the Senate and partely by the only election of their souldiours but in sundrie manners some violent and forced the other voluntarie and agréeable The Empire diuided into two the East and the West And this Imperial authoritie growing in the end to suche féeblenesse and decay as that it helde no more title in Italie and the West Countries the Romanes were constrained in the time of Constantine sonne to Leon the fourth eight hundred yeres sithens or there about to addresse themselues to the Frenche so that the Imperiall maiestie was diuided parte in the West The West Empire and parte in the Easte The West was put into the handes of Charlemaine and his successours almoste all Almans vnto this present day The East Empire The Empire of the East through the ouer greate cowardize and negligence of the Emperours of Greece is fallen into the Turkes handes and deteined in extreame tyrannie by them of Othomans house and race the whiche beganne to growe in greatnesse estimation thrée hundred yeares sithens or there about during the Empire of Albert of Austriche But to returne to our West Empire and the manner of calling therevnto Charlemaine first Emperor of the West after it was diuided from the East the manner how Charlemaine as we haue saide was the first called to that dignitie seuered and diuided from the East béeing at Rome and hauing there restablished Pope Leon into his pontificacie or bishops sea whence the Romanes had expelled him as it is written vpon Christmasse day in the Euening the Pope with a lowde voice proclamed Charlemaine Emperour of the Romanes alwayes August and prosperous and that Charlemaine refused to accept the Imperiall title without the consent and fauour of them of Constantinople then chiefe seate of the Empire and of the Emperour him selfe who was then there with his mother Irene Sithens that The Imperiall vocations in these dayes by reason of sundrie troubles happened while the West Empire was vacant as wel by meanes of diuers Princes as of the Pope either of them pretending right and authoritie in the same Otho 3. it was thought good in the time of the Emperour Otho 3. Gregorie 5. and of Pope Gregorie the first of that name about fiue hundred yeares ago that thencefoorth the Empire should be prouided for by voyce of election The seuen electors of the Emperour And that there should be seuen Electours made and created of the greatest Princes of Almain who should haue power and authoritie to choose him To wit the Archebishops of Mayence Coloigne and Treuers the king of Boheme the countie Palatine of Rhene the Duke of Saxonie the Marquis of Brandenburge which is the manner obserued euen to our dayes in calling Emperours to that authoritie and dignitie CHAPTER VII Of the exteriour vocation of them whiche ought to gouerne during the nonage minoritie of a king IT commeth to purpose to treate here of an other vocation no lesse necessarie then the Royall to wit of them vnto whom the gouernement of a realme ought to be giuen the King being vnable to commaunde and rule by reason of his tendernesse of age that is to say being vnder fourtéene yeares and consequently to knowe vnto whome it apperteineth to call men therevnto Some be of opinion Legitime vocation that as we haue said the Royal vocation to be legitime in this realme that is to say ruled by succession introduced by the lawe and not electiue that so likewise the calling to that gouernement charge ought to be iudged legitime But the question hath béene whether the same ought therefore to be ruled according to the disposition of the ciuil lawe whiche calleth the next of kinne to sucéede and before him the mother Women debarred from all administration by the Emperour Iustinians constutions according to the Emperoure Iustinian his institution because it hath béene called againe in doubt whether the same constitution may and ought to reache in a case of administration of so great importance as the same of a realme the infirmitie of the sexe hauing béene found suche that all other administration the same of her owne children excepted hath béene prohibited and defended her Howbeit it is certeine if we will herein followe examples that we shall finde infinite wiues aswell of Kinges Emperours and other Monarchies whiche haue gouerned and ruled bothe prosperously and wisely to the well liking and contentation of their subiects during the Nonage of their children But it séemeth to many that the particular disposition of the law Salike for this realme The lawe Salike doth not in any case permitte that the female should be admitted to the same Wherevnto a man might aunswere that the lawe Salike doeth in déede exclude women but it is from the Royall title and not from tuition and gouernement Feodarie customes no more then the lawes and chiefly our feodarie customes doe debarre women from the administration of fieofie although they exclude them in diuers places from the segniorie or souereigntie of the same And whereas it may be saide that there is greate difference betwéene the administration of a kingdome and the administration and gouernement of a fieofe for answere therevnto among other particular examples of our histories the example of S. Loys mother is alledged which in déede euerie man indeuoureth to wrest to his owne sense and purpose But there be some whiche leauing this legitime vocation will contrarily mainteine The electiue vocation that the same ought to be electiue according to the vniuersall custome of this realme He meaneth Fraunce by the whiche all tutelages be electiue commonly called datiues and not legitime and that it should belong to the states of this realme to prouide the same by election because the Royall and moste auncient lawe hauing transferred all the right of commaundement and administration whiche belonged to the people to one alone and the exercise of that power and authoritie ceassing for a time in the person of him that can not exercise it the same ought in the meane while to returne whence it came first and remaine there vntill suche time as there be by their consente méete and sufficient persons prouided and deputed to exercise the same authoritie allowing for all that that the legitime ought to bee preferred before all other But thoughe this opinion were
and excellencie of the one and the other The ecclesiasticall calling preferred before the politique and by the selfe reasons that we haue placed the contemplatiue in the first ranke we wil adiudge the same also to the Ecclesiasticall vocation For though we respect the Ecclesiasticall as an actiue vndoubtedly there is no action so excellent as that which instructeth and informeth the interior which is the principall part of man where hence all the good or euill of the exterior procéedeth Or else if we account therof as participant of the contemplatiue as it behooueth of necessitie that al actiue vocations be so as we haue before said in the case it is also most certein that there is no vocation wherevnto contemplation is more proper necessary ne yet which is more composed of the same also therfore to the which the first place degrée of all other actiues doth better apperteine There resteth then only the last comparison of politique vocations Comparison of the Politique vocation exercised by armes with the same without armes The vocation exercised by armes is royall and excellent which consist in offices estates exercised some by armes and other some without armes the one for warre and the other for peace Of the which also to speake our opinion summarily beginning first with the vocation exercised by armes without al doubt the vertue militarie hath alwayes bene estéemed more excellent and royall then any other as that whereby men haue purchased more reputation and glorie more ample dominion and obeyfance then by any other else As it may easily be proued by the example and good testimonie of the mightiest Empires Realmes Monarchies and Common weales inlarged growen to their high renoume glorie onely by exploytes of armes wherevnto all lawes ordinances Magistrates and affaires of state and iustice submit them selues all artes and sciences also yea all things at the only brute of warres armes retire them selues be whist and kéepe silence To be short by armes peace is purchased and mainteined where from as from a spring all wealth all blisse and felicitie do procéede So that it is not without cause if the warlike calling hath in all ages bene estéemed worthie meriting great honour praise Howbeit this Politique vocation without armes hath alwayes bene the same The politike vocation exercised without armes thought better then the other and good cause why that hath ben iudged the chéefe as the most profitable and necessarie and by the which greater things haue ben atchieued then by that which hath bene exercised by armes For proofe whereof we néede but to come to the néerest and most particular comparison of certein of the greatest and most excellent personages Politique and Militarie that haue ben and thereby we shal more perfectly vnderstand whether of the two vocations is preferred and more renoumed then the other Among other it is writen of two notable personages in the Athenien Common weale which were very famous the one professing armes Comparison betweene Themistocles and Solon and the other Politique gouernment to wit Themistocles and Solon the first renoumed aboue all other Atheniens for exploits and feates of armes the other for good lawes ordinances other institution of the Common weal the one vndoubtedly extolled and approued to be very valiant The Isle Salamine Xerxes Areopagites by the famous so much spoken of victory he got in the Isle of Salamine against the great king Xerxes and the other no lesse renoumed by the establishing of the Senate of Areopagites so beneficiall to the Publique and the one of the which did once stoutly succour the Atheniens by force of armes but the other by good lawes and wise and well established counsell hath not onely in his life time but also many dayes sithence profited them Themistocles Themistocles can not shewe wherein he hath ayded Solon and Solon may proue he ayded Themistocles with a good and wise counsell and a Senate he instituted in his Common weale Comparison betwene Pausanias Lysander and Lycurgus by the aduice whereof the warre was enterprised and conducted As much may be said of Pausanias and Lysander also greatly renoumed and by whose warlike vertue the Lacaedemonian Empire was greatly inlarged the which for all that may not in any case be compared or approche any thing néere vnto the lawes discipline and institution of the Republique made by Lycurgus And if they will alledge for them selues their force valiantnesse good and wise conduction it will be tolde them that they had nothing but that which Lycurgus had left and put into their handes And not to be tedious as much may we say of euery other Common weale well and wisely instituted Comparison betweene Marcus Scaurus and Caius Marius Comparison betweene Quintus Catulus Pompeius It is therefore that Cicero speaking to this purpose doth no lesse in his time prayse the eloquence and learning of Marcus Scaurus then the armes and forces of Caius Marius nor yet Quintus Catulus his Politique skill and experience lesse then Pompeius the great his prowesse and valiaunt actes saying that armes serued to small purpose abroad without good counsell at home Yea he cōmeth thus farre foorth that he produceth the daungerous coniuration of Catiline suppressed and extinguished by him selfe being Consul Catiline his coniuration suppressed without armes without armes or other meane and ayde but only good counsell and diligence Wherfore he was afterward had in such reputation with Pompeie hauing wonne so many and so great victories that he said vnto him openly that the glory of his victories had serued him to small purpose if Rome wherein he might haue triumphed had not bene conserued by the wisedome of Cicero And sith we must néedes come to our particular examples of this realme Comparison betweene the Court of Parleament and the glorie of Armes the court of Parleament hath it in any respect giuen place to the glory of armes the reputation therof hauing ben such through out all Europe and Christendome that the greatest Lordes Earles Dukes and Princes thereof haue voluntarily come to submit themselues their controuersies and armes vnto the iustice of the same yea to auoyde prolixitie Popes and Emperours Frederick the seconde as we haue read of Frederick the second of that name being fallen at debate and deadly contention with Pope Innocent the fourth Innocent the fourth bicause he had depriued him of his Empire in the Counsell of Lyons Suche reuerence hath ben borne to this sacred and honourable iustice neyther more nor lesse then in times past vnto the Oracle of God yea such as that of late in the yeare of our saluation 402. 402 certeine Spanish Knightes brought thither a treatie made and passed betwéene the Kinges of Castile and Portugal A treaty made betweene the Kings of Castile and Portugal broght to the Court of Parleamēt concerning the state of their realmes to cause the