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ecclesia_fw-la sit_fw-la nos_fw-la enim_fw-la negamus_fw-la illi_fw-la sectarij_fw-la asserunt_fw-la bellar._n lib._n 4._o de_fw-mi
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angel_n and_o algel_n pray_v for_o we_o etc._n etc._n loe_o hear_v the_o very_a same_o form_n of_o prayer_n to_o saint_n which_o the_o romanist_n use_n so_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v easy_o judge_v how_o preposteroussy_a sir_n humphrey_n have_v proceed_v in_o the_o citation_n of_o this_o author_n and_o howsoever_o it_o be_v that_o the_o grecian_n will_v not_o call_v this_o proper_a invocation_n of_o saint_n yet_o that_o be_v but_o questio_fw-la de_fw-la nomine_fw-la a_o question_n only_o about_o the_o name_n or_o word_n invocation_n which_o little_o import_v suppose_v that_o in_o reallitie_n and_o substance_n they_o disegree_n not_o from_o the_o romanist_n but_o rather_o be_v most_o conformable_a unto_o they_o even_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o interpellation_n and_o besides_o this_o if_o we_o note_v the_o lutheran_n word_n to_o the_o patriarch_n it_o will_v even_o thence_o manifest_o appear_v what_o the_o grecian_n defend_v touch_v his_o point_n for_o say_v the_o doctor_n non_fw-la dubium_fw-la est_fw-la quin_fw-la sit_fw-la de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la reverenter_fw-la sentiendum_fw-la &_o loquendum_fw-la &c._n &c._n non_fw-la tamen_fw-la sentimus_fw-la eos_fw-la esse_fw-la invocandos_fw-la ut_fw-la sint_fw-la nostri_fw-la mediatores_fw-la atque_fw-la iutercedant_fw-la apud_fw-la deum_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la qui_fw-la iam_fw-la mortui_fw-la sunt_fw-la which_o word_n of_o the_o lutheran_n be_v those_o which_o they_o direct_o oppose_v against_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o grecian_n in_o this_o particular_a it_o be_v clear_a than_o the_o leight_n of_o the_o sun_n that_o the_o grecian_n agree_v with_o we_o and_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o tenet_n of_o sir_n humphrey_n and_o other_o sectary_n of_o our_o time_n and_o thus_o we_o see_v that_o although_o sir_n hunfrey_n both_o in_o this_o and_o diverse_a other_o place_n of_o his_o book_n do_v much_o labour_v to_o persuade_v the_o reader_n that_o the_o grecian_a church_n agree_v with_o the_o pretend_v reformer_n 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prnounce_v that_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v invocate_v for_o thus_o he_o say_v ad_fw-la haec_fw-la nos_fw-la open_a divina_fw-la respondemus_fw-la invocandos_fw-la esse_fw-la sauctos_fw-la quod_fw-la ipsi_fw-la etiam_fw-la auxiliari_fw-la pessint_fw-la and_o he_o add_v after_o ward_n nec_fw-la id_fw-la faciunt_fw-la solum_fw-la vivi_fw-la sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la mortui_fw-la and_o a_o little_a low_o he_o subjoin_v inuocatione_n sanctorum_fw-la daemon_n abiguntur_fw-la morbi_fw-la fugantur_fw-la tentationes_fw-la tolluntur_fw-la etc._n etc._n also_o page_n 244._o honorandi_fw-la igitur_fw-la sunt_fw-la sancti_fw-la tanquam_fw-la amici_fw-la dei_fw-la in_o like_a manner_n touch_v the_o image_n of_o saint_n he_o further_o add_v a_o nobis_fw-la etiam_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la ipsorum_fw-la reverentium_fw-la exhiberi_fw-la aut_fw-la adorari_fw-la nemo_fw-la reprehendit_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v none_o of_o we_o reprehend_v that_o reverence_n or_o adoration_n be_v exhibit_v to_o their_o image_n mean_v of_o the_o saint_n and_o in_o the_o page_n follow_v he_o say_v in_o this_o manner_n at_o inquit_fw-la aliquis_fw-la deus_fw-la dixit_fw-la deum_fw-la tuum_fw-la adorabis_fw-la &_o illi_fw-la soli_fw-la seruies_fw-la &_o non_fw-la facies_fw-la ullam_fw-la similitudinem_fw-la he_o anser_v thus_o est_fw-la vero_fw-la ita_fw-la sunt_fw-la hoec_fw-la lege_fw-la divina_fw-la sancita_fw-la verumtamen_fw-la qui_fw-la hoc_fw-la praecipit_fw-la deus_fw-la idem_fw-la docet_fw-la nos_fw-la in_o deuteronomio_fw-la non_fw-la adorabis_fw-la ipsa_fw-la non_fw-la seruies_fw-la and_o page_n 254._o so_o he_o speak_v ut_fw-la igitur_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la honorat_fw-la filium_fw-la ut_fw-la ait_fw-la dominus_fw-la non_fw-la honorat_fw-la patrem_fw-la sic_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la honorat_fw-la imaginem_fw-la nec_fw-la illum_fw-la quem_fw-la imago_fw-la refert_fw-la honorat_fw-la and_o in_o the_o same_o page_n qui_fw-la non_fw-la adorat_fw-la crucem_fw-la eum_fw-la nequidem_fw-la dominum_fw-la crucifixum_fw-la adorare_fw-la iustum_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la quidem_fw-la certe_fw-la naturam_fw-la ligni_fw-la etc._n etc._n sed_fw-la memoriam_fw-la &_o picturam_fw-la perpessorum_fw-la etc._n etc._n final_o of_o merit_n he_o say_v thus_o haec_fw-la &_o similia_fw-la sunt_fw-la ob_fw-la quae_fw-la homo_fw-la regno_fw-la coelesti_fw-la dignus_fw-la habetur_fw-la that_o be_v these_o &_o the_o like_a be_v these_o thing_n for_o which_o a_o man_n be_v hold_v worthy_a of_o the_o celestial_a kingdom_n thus_o much_o touch_v the_o abuse_n of_o the_o grecian_a patriarch_n by_o sir_n humphrey_n but_o one_o of_o the_o gross_a error_n that_o i_o find_v commit_v by_o our_o adversary_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o latinist_n or_o romanist_n be_v in_o his_o page_n 234._o where_o he_o have_v these_o word_n other_o as_o namely_o antisiodorensis_n &_o biel_n teach_v that_o neither_o the_o saint_n pray_v for_o we_o neither_o be_v we_o to_o pray_v to_o they_o thus_o sir_n humphrey_n 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consequendae_fw-la beatitudinis_fw-la per_fw-la mediatores_fw-la sanctos_fw-la in_o coelo_fw-la inane_n non_fw-la esse_fw-la sed_fw-la ordine_fw-la à _fw-la deo_fw-la iustituto_fw-la nos_fw-la ad_fw-la eorum_fw-la auxilia_fw-la confugere_fw-la debere_fw-la &_o debita_fw-la veneratione_n eos_fw-la semper_fw-la implorare_fw-la by_o all_o which_o word_n biels_n doctrine_n be_v foe_n plain_a for_o the_o romanist_n &_o so_o plain_a against_o sir_n humphrey_n that_o i_o be_o very_o persuade_v he_o either_o never_o read_v this_o author_n touch_v this_o particular_a or_o if_o he_o read_v he_o he_o do_v not_o understand_v he_o and_o the_o like_a i_o say_v of_o antisiodore_n who_o be_v in_o the_o same_o place_n cite_v i_o find_v that_o he_o himself_o teach_v quite_o contrary_a to_o that_o which_o the_o knight_n charge_v he_o with_o for_o whereas_o he_o be_v allege_v by_o sir_n hunfrey_n in_o the_o 4._o part_n of_o his_o sum_n lib._n 3._o q._n 6._o to_o resolve_v that_o neither_o the_o saint_n 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he_o only_a affitme_n that_o they_o be_v of_o great_a force_n to_o convince_v haeretike_n then_o scripture_n that_o which_o in_o substance_n be_v teach_v long_o since_o by_o ancient_a tertullian_n &_o be_v no_o blemish_n unto_o the_o write_a word_n of_o god_n which_o in_o other_o respect_v both_o the_o same_o canus_n &_o all_o other_o romanist_n at_o the_o least_o equalise_v yea_o prefer_v before_o the_o unwritten_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n in_o general_n in_o his_o citation_n of_o canus_n page_n 399._o of_o he_o by_o way_n sir_n humphrey_n put_v the_o objection_n as_o if_o it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o author_n who_o propound_v &_o anser_v the_o same_o in_o his_o last_o chapter_n of_o the_o first_o book_n sharp_o reprehend_v pighius_fw-la out_z of_o who_o opinion_n the_o objection_n be_v frame_v by_o canus_n &_o reprove_v although_o he_o insinuate_v with_o all_o that_o the_o error_n of_o pighius_fw-la be_v not_o in_o matter_n of_o faith_n &_o doctrine_n necessatie_n to_o 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to_o translate_v his_o prayer_n into_o his_o vulgar_a tongue_n etc._n etc._n thus_o the_o rhemist_n which_o as_o the_o reader_n may_v easy_o perceive_v do_v quite_o contradicte_n sir_n humfreys_n purpose_n &_o the_o doctrine_n &_o practice_n of_o his_o church_n sir_n humphrey_n also_o falsifyes_n gabriel_n lect_n 12._o in_o can._n or_o at_o the_o he_o lest_o he_o false_o &_o ignorantlie_o understand_v he_o when_o in_o his_o own_o 265._o page_n he_o cyte_v he_o affirm_v that_o he_o diliver_v there_o seven_o reason_n why_o vocal_a prayer_n shall_v be_v understand_v by_o the_o people_n for_o biel_n teach_v not_o there_o in_o what_o lenguage_n vocal_a pryer_n ought_v to_o be_v but_o only_o prove_v that_o it_o must_v not_o be_v meerelie_o mental_a but_o so_o utter_v &_o pronounce_v as_o it_o may_v be_v know_v for_o such_o by_o the_o people_n ut_fw-la innotescat_fw-la populo_fw-la which_o word_n do_v not_o signify_v as_o the_o knight_n false_o english_z they_o may_v be_v understand_v but_o 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