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A72851 Via devia: the by-vvay mis-leading the weake and vnstable into dangerous paths of error, by colourable shewes of apocryphall scriptures, vnwritten traditions, doubtfull Fathers, ambiguous councells, and pretended catholike Church. Discouered by Humfrey Lynde, Knight. Lynde, Humphrey, Sir. 1630 (1630) STC 17095; ESTC S122509 200,884 790

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but_o to_o the_o trinity_n only_o o_o you_o virgin_n say_v he_o in_o your_o prayer_n set_v christ_n only_o before_o your_o eye_n philadelph_n virgin_n solum_fw-la christum_n in_fw-la precibus_fw-la vestris_fw-la antè_fw-la oculos_fw-la habete_fw-la et_fw-la patren_a illiꝰ_n illuminata_fw-la à_fw-la spiritu_fw-la ignat._n ad_fw-la philadelph_n and_o his_o father_n be_v enlighten_v by_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v conscious_a of_o such_o a_o ancient_a evidence_n against_o their_o angel-worship_n in_o the_o greek_a original_a have_v turn_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d into_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d prayer_n into_o soul_n 1572._o ignat_fw-la lugd_a impress_n an._n 1572._o touch_v vniversalitic_a iraeneus_n bishop_n of_o lion_n tell_v we_o that_o in_o his_o day_n the_o church_n per_fw-la universum_fw-la mundum_fw-la 57_o ecclesia_fw-la per_fw-la universum_fw-la mundum_fw-la nec_fw-la inuocationibꝰ_n angelicis_fw-la facit_fw-la aliquid_fw-la nec_fw-la etc._n 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the_o first_o bear_v of_o all_o creature_n and_o we_o must_v entreat_v he_o that_o he_o as_o high_a priest_n will_v present_v our_o prayer_n when_o it_o be_v come_v to_o he_o unto_o his_o god_n and_o our_o god_n and_o unto_o his_o father_n and_o the_o father_n of_o they_o that_o frame_v their_o life_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n in_o the_o succeed_a age_n the_o ancient_a council_n of_o laodicea_n decree_v 36._o conc._n laodic_n can_v 36._o we_o ought_v not_o to_o leave_v the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o invocate_v angel_n and_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v likewise_o conscious_a of_o this_o evidence_n against_o their_o invocation_n of_o angel_n have_v turn_v angelos_n into_o angulos_fw-la saying_n 1538._o merlin_n fol._n 68_o edit_fw-la 1530_o &_o crabbe_n fol._n 226_o edit_n 1538._o we_o must_v not_o leave_v the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o have_v recourse_n to_o angle_n or_o corner_n this_o council_n be_v call_v in_o the_o year_n 364_o in_o laodicea_n a_o capital_a city_n 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l._n 2._o c._n 2._o bet_n n._n ser._n 3._o de_fw-la omnibus_fw-la sanctis_fw-la iraeneus_n term_v they_o invisible_a hold_n saint_n austen_n hide_a receptacle_n saint_n hyllarie_o the_o bosom_n of_o rest_n ambrose_n place_n of_o suspense_n bernard_n atria_n outward_a porch_n or_o court_n and_o for_o a_o further_a testimony_n of_o these_o and_o other_o particular_n their_o learned_a stapleton_n profess_v 2._o tot_o illi_fw-la et_fw-la tam_fw-la celebres_fw-la antiqui_fw-la patres_fw-la tertullianus_n etc._n etc._n huic_fw-la sententiae_fw-la quae_fw-la nunc_fw-la in_o concilio_n florentino_n magnâ_fw-la de_fw-fr mum_o conquisitione_n factà_fw-la ut_fw-la dogma_fw-la fidei_fw-la definita_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la iustorum_fw-la animae_fw-la antè_fw-la diem_fw-la iudicii_fw-la dei_fw-la visione_n fruuntur_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la assensi_fw-la sed_fw-la sententiam_fw-la contrariam_fw-la tradiderunt_fw-la stapl_n def●s_fw-la ecclesiast_fw-la authorit_fw-fr count_v whitak_n l._n 1._o 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