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A56167	A fvll reply to Certaine briefe observations and anti-queries on Master Prynnes twelve questions about church-government wherein the frivolousnesse, falseness, and grosse mistakes of this anonymous answerer (ashamed of his name) and his weak grounds for independency, and separation, are modestly discovered, reselled : together with certaine briefe animadversions on Mr. Iohn Goodwins Theomachia, in justification of independency examined, and of the ecclesisticall jurisdiction and rights of Parliament, which he fights against / by William Prynne ...	Prynne, William, 1600-1669.	1644 (1644)	Wing P3967; ESTC R3868	34,873	26

A FVLL REPLY To certaine briefe Observations and Anti-Queries ON Master PRYNNES twelve Questions about Church-Government Wherein the Frivolousnesse Falsenesse and grosse Mistakes of this Anonymous Answerer ashamed of his Name and his weak grounds for Independency and Separation are modestly discovered refelled Together with certaine briefe Animadversions on Mr. Iohn Goodwins Theomachia in justification of Independency examined and of the Ecclesiasticall Jurisdiction and Rights of Parliament which he fights against By William Prynne of Lincolnes Inne Esquire Socrates Scholasticus Eccles. Hist. l. 5. c. 20. Ecclesia cum semel esset divisa non una divisione acquievit sed homines ab se mutuò aversi alter ab altero denuò scesserunt atque adeò EXIGVAM LEVICVLAMQVE OCCASIONEM nacti mutuae communionis consociationisque vincula disruperunt Have salt in your selves and have peace one with another Mark 2. 50. To this end was I born and for this cause come I into the world that I should beare witnesse unto the truth Ioh. 18 37. Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth Gal. 4. 16. Imprimatur October 14. 1644 Iohn White The second Edition some what inlarged with materiall Additions London Printed by F. L. for Michael Sparke Senior and are to be sold at the Blew-Bible in Green-Arbour 1644. OF all the vanities and vexations of spirit enumerated by the royall Preacher this is one of the principall a That for all travell and every right works a man is envied yea many times hated oppugned by his neighbour This hath been alwayes my condition heretofore and now my best actions and publike services for the common good have been misconstrued traduced nay censured in an high degree as ●…vill by many though blessed be God approved yea gratefully accepted by the best-affected to the Church and State The importunity of some Reverend friends lamenting the deplorable distractions of our Church which threaten disunion and so ruine to us in these unhappy times of intestine warres prevailed so farre as to induce me to compile and publish Twelve considerable serious questions touching Church-government out of a córdial desire as much as in me lay to close up not widen our divisions Which though they have given ample satisfaction to many truely religious of all ranks and qualities who have returned me speciall thanks yet they have found very harsh entertainment from others who of Friends b are become my professed Antagonists if not enemies in print because I have told them the truth to whom I should have returned no Reply but silence there being nought in these Observations worthy answer but only to rectisie some mistakes therin and shew the opposite party those common errours wherby they deceive themselves and others The first thing this namelesse Respondent quarrels with is c For my writing by way of Quere To which I answer that I had both Presidents and Reasons for it Presidents from our Saviour himselfe who both instructed refuted convinced his opposites and auditors by demanding * Questions only Presidents from Philosophers Fathers School-men and all sorts of Writers ancient modern over-tedious to recite Reasons 1. I conceived the Questions touching church-government were not rightly stated by most and that the right stating of them by way of Question would be the best and speediest meanes to decide them 2. The Independent party had neither then nor since to my knowledg dogmatically resolved or discovered in print what that church-government is they so eagerly contend for and pretend to be so plainly set downe in the Word of God being not y●…t all agreed what they hold or should desire except it be this to be left at free libertie to doe what they please and therefore I conjectured such Queries to be the only means to discover and refute their concealed Platform 3. The controversies concerning church-government were then and now in agitation in the Synod and high Court of Parliament the properest Iudges of them therefore I thought it better became me in point of modesty and good manners to expresse my opinion of them by way of Question then Decision Finally I found all Independents guilty of Petitio principii in their Writings Sermons Discourses peremptorily concluding their form of church-government to d be the onely Government instituted by Christ the onely way of God which hath more of God and Christ in it then any other the Kingdom Scepter and Throne of Christ himself and no other way beside it e That by the beauty and perfect consonancy of this Government with the Word of God it may very reasonably yea and upon higher terms then of reason be thought that in time it cannot but overthrow all 〈◊〉 of Ecclesiasticall government and I fear civill too by the self-same reason stand up it self in their stead which they closeup with a Faxit Deus festinet●… and that writi●…g or disputing against this Government or opposing it in any kind yea in thought is no lesse then f A FIGHTING AGAINST GOD which will bring certain ruine on our Realme in generall and all private open opposers of it yet not one of them nor this Respondent hath hitherto fully discovered to us what this WAY or Government is nor produced any one Scripture or Reason to warrant these superlative Encomiums of it but we must take all they say as Gospel upon their own bare words without examination or dispute And therefore I proposed these with 12 other subsequent Questions to them to induce them to make good these transcendent that I say not arrogant Positions touching their Way since I seriously professe before God Angels and men that I could never yet discover the least footsteps of it in Scripture or Antiquity nor descry this their Patern in the Mount which no age till ours had ever the happiness to behold if it be worth the viewing when unvailed by them to us Having thus given this Respondent the true grounds of my writing by way of Question I shall briefly answer all his materiall Observations and Anti-queries upon my twelve Questions pretermitting his Impertinencies 1. To the first Question the Respondent gives no Answer at all to the things demanded but only misrecites the Question without my limitations and then seemes to refute what himselfe propounds not I He should have demonstrated by direct Scriptures That Christ hath prescribed one set immutable forme of Government to all Christian Nations Churches in the World from which none must vary in the least degree without sinne schisme or being no true Churches of Christ with whom good Christians may with safe conscience communicat and that nothing herein is or can be left free to humane prudence though themselves most stifly plead that Christ hath prescribed no * set form of praying or preaching to Ministers people but left all men free to use their liberty and severall gifts in both on which grounds they condemne all set forms of publike if not private prayers and

some of them the use of the Lords owne prayer together with there ading of set Homilies upon which very grounds they must also deny all set formes of church-government as well as of Prayer and Preaching And then have positively delineated exactly proved the modell of this pretended Government Discipline in every particle thereof by Gospel-Texts so far as to satisfie mens erronious judgments consciences herein that so they might either submit thereto without dispute or propound their objections against the same But in this maine point whereon the hinge of the controversie turnes the Respondent is wholly silent and I shall expect his answer ad Graecas Calendas Only lest he might seem to say nothing he endevours to prove that there is a set forme of Church-government prescribed by Christ in the Gospel not by direct Texts but from pretended absurdities of his owne fancying for which he can produce no Text nor Reason wherein he hath prevaricated and shewes himselfe absurd First writes he if this were granted that there is no such set form of Church-government prescribed to all the Gospell would be * straiter then the Law Christ more unfaithfull then Moses If we deny these absurd consequences you shall have these sound proofes of both subjoined God set a patterne to Moses of a carnal Temple you mistake good Sir it was a Tabernacle and that not carnall which he charged him not to vary from in a tittle well I grant it because you produce * two full Scriptures for it Ergo he hath prescribed a set pattern of Church-government and Discipline to all Christian Nations Churches in the new Testament from which they must not vary in one tittle If he or any other can shew me such a pattern as he contends for so clearly delineated to us in the new Testament as that pattern of the Tabernacle God shewed Moses was in the old and then produce as direct precepts enjoyning all Christians Republikes Churches not to vary from it in one tittle as Moses had not to vary from his I shall beleeve his sequell till then I shall deeme it a true Independent argument and as grosse a Non-sequitur as this which necessarily followes upon the concession of it God shewed and prescribed to Moses the expresse pattern or fashion of Aarons and his Sons garments ornaments under the Law Exod. 28. Ergo he hath likewise shewed and prescribed the expresse pattern fashion and colour of all Bishops Presbyters Ministers garments ornaments under the Gospel most likely in the Roman Ceremoniall and Pontificall If the one consequence be ridiculous the other must needs be so But to quell this your principall Argument First the patterne in the mount was meant onely of the materials forme vessels and utensils of the Tabernacle not of the Government and Discipline of the Iewish church therfore very impe●…tinent to prove a setled Church-government Discipline under the Gospel Secondly it was shewed only to Moses the temporall Magistrate and chief Ruler of the Israelites not to Aaron or any private Independent Priest or Synagogue of the Iewes yea Moses not they was to make or s●…e all things † made according to the pattern in the mount Ergo if there be any consequence from this patterne not the Independent Minister or congregation but Kings chief temporall Magistrates and Parliaments the supreme civill Powers Councels ●…e likewise under the Gospell to prescribe and set up such a church-government as is agreeable to Gods Word as Moses Joshua David Solomon Hezekiah Joshiah Nehemiah and other godly Princes Governours with their Parliaments or generall Assemblies did under the Law And then what becomes of your Independent Ministers Congregations claimes to this Soveraigne temporall jurisdiction a part of Christs Kingly office delegated onely to Kings and highest temporall powers which was never conferred on them In fine if there be any such expresse unalterable divine patterne of church-government under the Gospel I pray informe me why it was not as punctually as particularly described in the new Testament as the forme of the Tabernacle of its materialls with all the services ornaments appurtenances of it and of the Temple were under the Law Nay why was the Tabernacle altered into a * Temple different from it and why did the second * Temple vary from the first and that in the self same Church and Nation If these were patterns of the church-government under the Gospel and yet varied altered successively in this manner then by consequence the Government Discipline under the Gospel is variable alterable too and so not fixed nor immutable His second Argument That Christ should neither be faithfull as a husband head nor King of his Church if he should give others power to order it as they pleased to their owne civill Government not setting downe his owne Lawes for them to walke by is both a fallacy absurdity There is no man doubts but that Christ in the Scriptures which some of you refuse to heare read in our Churches though publike reading of them be Gods owne ordinance hath prescribed to us all necessary Rules Lawes both for our faith lives either in a general or special manner which a●…l must pursue But that he hath punctually or particularly set down any exact unalterable form of church-government for all Christian Nations Churches to follow under pain of being unfaithfull in all the former respects and that the Independens Modell alone is that very patterne the onely point in question remains on your part to make good A man may be a faithfull husband King Master Father though he prescribe not distinct particular Lawes to regulate each particular action of his Wife Subjects Servants Children * Let all things be done decently and in order a generall rule for church-government is sufficient to excuse Christ from these your presumptuous reproaches and regulate all particulars though left indefinite as well as this generall Rule for our Christian conversation Phil. 1. 27. Let your conversation be as becommeth the Gospel of Christ and this other for our speech Eph. 4. 29. Let no corrupt communication come out of your mo●… but that which is good to the use of edifying You may as well charge Christ with unfaithfulnesse for not prescribing to us a generall Liturgy or every particular action we should doe every word we should speak or Ministers preach upon any occasion as for not prescribing a particular forme of church-government His third Argument that Rev. 11. 1 2. we read of a † measuring of the Temple and Rev. 21. 1 2. of the new Jerusalem comming downe from God out of heaven prepared as a bride adorned for her husband Ergo there is a setled divine church-government universally prescribed to all Christians in the new Testament is no better a proofe of this assertion then the Angel of the Church of Ephesus is of our Prelats Lordly hierarchy jure divino He might as well yea more properly have

meere popular or servile root or the best strong waters out of the vilest Lees the richest Minerals out of the coursest earth the most orient Pearles out of the basest Oisters In one word the very choice these your vilest and most unworthy of men have made this Parliament may for ever refute this childish reason the corner-stone of your Independent fabricke fastned together with independent crochets unable to abide the test Therefore notwithstanding this your reason our present Parliament may and ought in point of right duty to make binding Laws for regulating church-government restraining heresies schismes innovations erronious doctrines unlawfull conventicles and for setling the purity of Gods worship and Religion notwithstanding this objection and with as much reason justice raise and establish a new church-government suitable to Gods Word and the civill State as reforme or repeale the old which grew to burdensome and offensive till Independents can shew us better grounds against it then any yet produced and informe us why our whole representative Church and State should not o●…right enjoy and exercise as great o●… greater ecclesiasticall jurisdiction over all particular persons and Churches who are Members of our Church and Realme as any independent Minister or Congregation challenge or usurp unto themselves over their owne Members this being the true state of the question and not whether one particular Church or parish hath superiority or Iurisdiction over another as some mist●… it without yea against both Law Gospel for ought they yet have made appeare I shall say no more in so clear a case but refer the Author to the high Court of Parliament whose undoubled priviledges he hath presumptuously undermined by the very roots to crave their Pardon or undergo their justice for this and other his Anti-parliamentary passages diametrally contrary to his o●… their late Nationall Vow and Covenant which they cannot without highest Perjury permit any wilfully thus to violate in the most publike manner FINIS Eccles. 4. 4. b Gal. 4. 16. c Page 1. 2. * Luk. 2. 46 47. Mat. 11. 1 to 20. c. 12. 3 to 13. 26 27 29. c. 21. 23 to 43. c. 22. 18 to 23. c. 16. 26. d The Apologeticall Narration Mr. Sympson A Reply of two of the Brethren with others e A Reply of two of the Brethren to 〈◊〉 S. p. 111. f Master Iohn Goodwins {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} * It seemes to me a kinde of contradiction to assert one unalterable set-set-forme of Church-government and yet to condemne all set formes of Common Prayer or Preaching Prayer and Preaching being more essentiall to a Church then meere Government or Discipline * He should say freer where the government is left arbitrary * Exod. 25. 40 Heb 8 5. † I hope you wil●… not argue Carpenters Masons Goldsmiths and other Artificers not Priests or Ministers under the Law built the Tabernacle and material Temple Ergo the●… onely not ●…nisters ought now und●…r the Gospell to build the Church and spirituall Temple this would be but had Logick and worse Divinity * 2 Chron. c. 8. to 2. * Exod 24. 7. Deut. 31. 11. ●…osh 8. 34. 2 Kings 23. 2. 2 Chro. 34. 30 Neh. 8 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c c. 〈◊〉 3. c. 13. 1. 〈◊〉 36. 6. to 24 Luke 4. 16. Act. 13. 15 27 c. 15. 21 31. Col. 4. 16 1 Thes 5. 27. Ezra 3. 10. 12. Hag. 2. 3. to 10. * 1 Cor. 14. 40 † Belike the Reed by which he measured it was Independency * Ezech. 40. 41. * Rev. 21. 22. 1 Cor. 9. 13 14. Heb. 7. 13. † 2 Chron. 1. 10 11 12 * 1 Kin. 3 5. to 15 Exod. 35 30 to 35. c. 36. 1 to 5. c. 31. 3 to 7. Deut. 1. 17 c. 2. 21 22 23. But very unreasonable that Christ the Church State Synod Parliament should be subject to your dictates not you to theirs † 1 Tim. 6. 15 Rev. 17. 14 c. 19. 16. * This Rule holds firm in all Church-assemblies Synods Parliaments elections by suffrages whatsoever See 3. H. 8. c. 27. * 2 Chro. 9 8 2 Sam. 23. 3 Deut. 1. 17 2 Sam. 5. 2 Rom. 13. 1 2 4 6. † Your party are most guilty of it who without discovery or proof of your Newway will have us blindly to submit unto it as the onely way of Christ 2. * 1 Cor. 13. 5 7. * 37 H. S. c. 17 1 E. 6. c. 1. 1 Eliz c. 1. See my Breviate against Bishops Encroachments c. The Vnbishoping of Timothy and Titus The Catalogue of authors in all ages concerning the parity and identity of Bishops and Presbyters The antipathy of the English Lordly prelacy The Q●…nchcoale c. * Phil. 4 8. 1 Thes. 5. 2●… 22 Nota. * Lev. 19. 17 Gal. 4. 16. c. 2. 11. 14. Tit. 1. 13 14. Rev. 3. 13. will justifie me herein * Pro. 23. 23. Maximè amic● veritas * If therefore the light that is in you be Darkenesse how great is that Darkeness Mat. 6. 23. * Rom. 13. 5. 1 Pet. 2. 14. * Iustinian Codicis l. 1. ti 8. Socrates scholast. Eccl. hist. l 7. c. 5. l. 5 c. 4 5 15 20 21 23. l. 4. c. 12 13. l. 2. c. 33. Sec 35. Eliz c. 1. † See 35. Eliz. c. 1. None are Conventicler but Hereticks or Schismatickes who wholy seperate themselves from our publique Assemblies established by Law Justin Codicis l. 1. Tit. 8. * 2 Chro. 15. 8 to 16. c. 34. 29 to 33. 8. 29 ●…10 Ezra 10. 3. Neh. 9. 38. c. 10. 1. c. * Psal. 2. 8 9. Psal. 72. 8 to 18. Ps. 82. 8. Ps 86. 9 Ps. 65 2. Ps. 67. 〈◊〉 3. 4 5. ●…a 2 3. 〈◊〉 9. ●…2 23. c. 11. 9 to 16. c. 54. 1 2 3. c. 60. 3. to 22. Mich. 4. 1. to 5 Mal. 1 11. Zach. 8. 22. Act. 13. 46 47 48. Matth. 28. 19 20. Mar. 14. 15. Rom. 10. 18 20 c. 11. 4. Isa. 62. to the end 1 Pet. 2. 9. 18. * Matth. 3. 12 c. 13. 24. to 52 c. 25. 32 33. a Joh. 6. 70 71 b See Iudges Samuel Kings Chronicles Nehemiah Ezra and all the Prophets c See Pauls and Johns yea Christs Epistles to them Rev. 2 3. I. Cor. 11. 13 〈◊〉 34. c. 12 〈◊〉 27. d Mat. 24. 14. 15. c. 26. 16. Luk. 14. 23 c. c. 13. 23 24. * Rom. 7. 15. to 25. Jam. 3. 2. Act. 14. 15 * 1 Cor 19 to 24 † 1 Chro. 13. 1 to 14. c. 28 29. 2 Chro. 5. 2 c. c. 6 7. c. 15. 9 to 29 c. 17. 7 8 c. c. 20. 3 4. 5. c. 24. 4 to 16. c. 29. 3 to 36. c. 30. v. 31. c. 34. 29 to the end c. 35. 1 〈◊〉 19. Ezra Neh. throughout 〈◊〉 9. 17. to 32. * Da. 7 9. 13. * Ephes. 4. 11. 12. 13. 2 Cor 13. 9. Heb. 6. 1. Pet 5. 10. Phil. 3. 12 15 Heb. 13. 21. James 1. 4. * 1 Cor. 13 11 12. c. 14.