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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
prayer_n	form_n	lawful_a	set_a	2,091	5	11.0014	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A10838	A manumission to a manuduction, or Answer to a letter inferring publique communion in the parrish assemblies upon private with godly persons there. By Iohn Robinson; Unreasonablenesse of the separation	Robinson, John, 1575?-1625.	1615 (1615)	STC 21111; ESTC S106681	22,876	24

for the outward guidance ordering of the Church in her publique affayrs by the Byshops or Elders And thus and in this regarde all in the parrish assemblyes if not vnder the Prelates spirituall iurisdiction as many would make themselves and others beleev are lawlesse persons inordinate walkers neyther is this myne assertion eyther lavish or lawlesse but a just necessary testimony agaynst theyr transgression of which I wish them from the Lord more conscience for that purpose better counsayl then in this manuduction they finde Lastly to make way to a touch of wit vnto which he cannot get by my wordes meaning truely related he takes liberty to change the one other for his advantage I do p 30 propound sundry defences made by such both ministers people as dislike the prela●y and the first of the people to wit that they are not subiect to the prelates government And that I intend this of the people is evident by my reply in the same place the words whereof I have formerly noted down in the 2 d consideration of his answer This by me spoken and intended of the people he misapplyeth to the ministers putting as my wordes These ministers are vnder no spirituall government and so would in wantonnesse of wit fasten the same reproof vpon my self as haveing been formerly with none now with one Elder without government also and so an inordinate walker The truth then is that the people professing themselves though most vntruely to be from vnder the Prelates Spirituall government do therein professe themselves to be from vnder all christian church government that both ministers and people professing themselves to be from vnder the prelates spirituall power do therein professe themselves to be from vnder all power of Christ for the censures in those respects and considerations of which onely I speak though he streach my words further then he should eyther in charity or equity to be lawlesse persons inordinate walkers without the yoak of Christ one speciall means of theyr salvation And thus much for the confirmation of my testimony agaynst communion with the parochiall assemblyes in the particulars though far frō all in my former book as myne opposite pretendeth wherin he hath endeavoured to weaken it where I also desyre the Reader well to note that whatsoever eyther he pretendeth or others conceav of publique cōmunion following vppon private yet the issue unto which things come between him me is in these two questions 1. whether the Bishops jurisdiction in theyr provinces diocesses be lawfull or no 2. whether the parochial ministers being ordeyned instituted licensed by the Bishops do preach by theyr authority or no The other two stumbling blockes as he calls them viz. that all are vrged to communion by poenall lawes that a set form of prayer i● appointed he neyther purposeth nor thinks it needfull to deal about seing 1. there are many excercises of religion where none are present by constraynt nor the service book so much as appeareth for which he instanceth in Mr. Parkins his excercise And wherefore doth he still after his but an evill custome chaunge the state of the question which is not about mens being preson● by constreynt at the excercises of religion but about Churches gathered by constreynt of all the profane parrishioners with the other handfull as vvas that parrish church whereof Mr Perkins was a member where he taught that by authority from vnder the prelates My being once at his successours sermon since I professed separation is neyther pertinently nor truely obiected by him I was there as in many other places since I made question of it disputed for it but had not otherwise professed it And vppō this occasion I think good to note down the work of Gods providence towards me in this matter Comeing to Cambridge as to other places where I hoped most to fynde satisfaction to my troubled heart I went the fore-noon to Mr Cha his excercise who vppon the relation which Mary made to the disciples of the resurrection of Christ delivered in effect this doctrine that the things which concerned the wh●le church were to be declared publiquely to the whole Church not to some parte onely b●inging for instance proofe the wordes of Christ Mat 1817. Tell it to the Church confirming therein one mayn ground of our difference from the Ch of Engl which is that Christ hath given his power for excommunication to the whole church gathered together in his name as 1 Cor 5 the officers as the governers the people as the governed in the vse thereof vnto which Church his servants are comaunded to bring theyr necessary complaynts And I would desyre myne opposite eyther to shew me how where this Church is haveing this power in the partish assemblyes or els by what warrant of Gods word I knowing what Christ the Lord cōmaunded herein may with good conscience remayn a member of a Ch without this power much lesse where the contrary is advanced so go on in the known transgression of that his cōmaundement Tell the church In the afternoon I went to hear Mr B the successour of Mr. Perkins who from Eph 5. v 7. or 11. shewed the vnlawfulnes of familiar conversation between the servants of God the wicked vpon these grounds or the most of them 1. that the former are light the other darknes between which God hath separated 2. that the godly hereby are endaungered to be levened with the others wickednes 3. that the wick●d are hereby hardened in receaving such approbation from the godly 4 that others are thereby offended occasioned to think them all alike as birdes of a f●ther which so flo●k together Whom afterwardes privately I desyred as I do also others to consider vvhether these very Reasons make not as effectually much more agay●●●th s●irituall communion of Gods people especially vvhere there vvants the means of reformatiō vvith the apparently vvicked to vvhom they are as light to d●rknes To that vvhich he alledgeth in the 2 d place of the reformed Churches generally vs●●ng a stint form ●f prayer with whom yet I will not refuse all publique cōmunion I ansvver that for the very vse of a set form of prayer or other the like fayling I vvill not refuse communion vvith a true Church in things lavvfull but between the set form of prayer vsed in the reformed Churches in the vnreformed Ch of Engl I put great difference not onely in the matter sundry orders thereof but especially in the manner of imposeing it which in the reformed Ch is not by compulsiō nor in the first place as in the Ch of Engl where the reading of it is preferred before above the preaching of the gospell and where more ministers and those of the best sorte have been deprived of theyr ministery in a few monthes for the not reading and observeing