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A44973 An humble apology for non-conformists with modest and serious reflections on the Friendly debate and the continuation thereof / by a lover of truth and peace. Norton, John, 1606-1663. 1669 (1669) Wing H3402; ESTC R20176 79,882 174

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but made up of both put together whose Character we have in a great measure in the 165th page of the Treatise in my opinion the best page in the Book Where the Power of Godliness is set forth after this manner A truly godly man who hath not only a name to live c is dead who is a Jew not only outwardly in the flesh but inwardly in the Spirit who hath not only the Form but the Power of Godliness in him is such a one as denies himself for God and his neighbour that sets not his heart upon getting Riches and is humble and modest that reverencet● his Governours and studies in word and deed to preserve their Authority that humours his Parent though not of their Opinion or perhaps ungodly that is sensible of Benefits and grateful to Bent factors that studies Purity and Chastity that 〈◊〉 kind and tenderly affected to his Relations th● keeps his Faith and performs his Promises thoug● to his own damage that is easily reconciled if 〈◊〉 have been grosly injured that speaks well if he can of his Neighbour and is not ready to believe ever Story of them that endeavours to preserve an ev●● temper that commands his Passions that is stea● and uniform in his Actions that is meek and su●● missive peaceable and humble that loves Vert● whore-ever he sees it and doth not despise or reproad it under the name of meer Morality that is faithful to his trust sober advised and considerate in his undertakings that hath no opinion of himself at loves God above all things that chus●th rather● keep at home and mind his own Concernments than to be prying into the secrets of his Neighbours house that has no other design upon any either man or waman than to make them good and further their increase in true Wisdom Quest. Are not the Presbyterians Changelings men of very limber Consciences who instead of being call'd Turn-outs may better be call'd Turn-coats See Cont. p. 29. Answ One would think in reason that those that are charged to be so rigid scrupulous super●titious tenacious of their own Opinions obsti●ate in their own way should not easily turn with every wind Amongst the Ministers 't is true there have been Willows as well as Oaks amongst our Parsons we have had some Vicars of Brailas who have turned in their Pulpits as well as the Weathercock on their Steeples Some Ministers indeed would not turn and for that treason are turn'd out Confident I am that the greatest number of them that were Sufferers for refusing the Engagement and non-comply●●nce in the late times were of those that are or have been Sufferers since for Non-conformity Quest Are not the Nonconformists men of narrow Souls and of a narrow Charity confined to a Party within a few private Walls or Conventicles whereas the high Sons of the Church their Charity is as large as their Churches even as their CATHEDRALS Answ Sure I am their Charity is not so large as St. Paul's Rom. 14. There was before th● Wars a Lady as I have heard from Persons 〈◊〉 Quality not very many years since wrote t● the Bishop of Lincoln on the behalf of a Nonconformist that was in trouble for some small Omission or Inconformity To whom the Bishop replied If the Person your Ladiship wrot for had been a Drunkard or a Whoremonger I could have shewed him favour but in this case no● at all It is marvellous to think but so it is that Church-Charity should not be so large as Civil The Members of the Long Parliament who too● the Covenant and impos'd it upon others sit quietly in This without having that imposed on them the refusal whereof might occasion their Ejectment out of the House The Nobles and others about the Court that were divided in the the late Wars are sodered again love one another and which is a good and pleasant thing dw●l together in Unity The Lawyers in the Inns 〈◊〉 Court unite cement and plead together do not for the old Quarrel turn one another over the Bar or out of Doors The Knights and Gentlemen in the Countrey that fought on seyerul sides are reconciled and act together as one man for the good of his Majesty and his Kingdom notwithstanding what passed in the late differences Onely the Ministers and Ambassadors of the Gospel of Peace who say and do not will as yet have no peace clapping their Wings to stir and beat up their Mettal and crowing to sound an Alarm to a Paper Combate This is a Lamentation and ought to be for a Lamentation Pudet hoc opprobria nobis c. Quest It the Nonconformists are so charitable so willing to forgive what is past and to receive Dissenters into their own Bosoms or to come themselves into the Bosom of their Mother again though she may possibly be charged to have thrust them out of doors because they have narrow Throats and could not swallow a Pompion instead of a Mastick Pill or a Hedghog in stead of an Oyster what 's the Reason then that of old in their publick Churches and now-a-days in their private Conventicles they use not the Lords Prayer Was it not because of that Petition Forgive us our Trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us Debate p. 95. 1 Ed. Answ There were those who are now Nonconformists that in former times used it constantly and some who wrot Apologies for it And divers Ministers now-a-days who do keep private Meetings do still use the Lords Prayer in their private Congregations Quest Can they be thought charitable especially to Dissenters that cry out of the Pope as Antichrist and the Popish Religion as Antichristian Answ King James called the Pope Antichrist in his Writings The Homilies call him so Hom. Tom. 1. p. 17. Edit .. and again p. 38. p. 70. Yea the publick Prayers for the 5th of Novemb. before Archbishop Laud's time said of the Ramanists that their Faith was Faction and their Religion Rebellion Quest Have the Nonconformists nothing momentous against the Common-Prayer and Ceremonies but only to cry out that it was taken o●● of the Mass-Book and that they are Reliques of Rome and Popish Superstitions Deb. p. 97. ed. 1. Answ I do know scarce one intelligent Nonconformist who refuses to use the Liturgy upon this account only or chiefly because taken out of the Mass-Book My Gold is not therefore straight become dross because stolen out of my Chest and found in the house of a Thief when 't is legally restored to me again what is it the worse The Common-Prayer is older than the Mass as we usually take the word Mass now adayes but the Mass by the corruption of the Times getting by degrees insensibly by little and little into the Liturgy the Reformers finding things so owned and adhered to the Liturgy as good Gold but rejected the Mass as very Dross and Tin Yet forasmuch as we cannot win the Papists to joyn with us in our Liturgy as they did