Selected quad for the lemma: prayer_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
prayer_n	forgive_v	lord_n	trespass_n	3,485	5	11.3824	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A31043	The nonconformists vindicated from the abuses put upon them by Mr. [brace] Durel and Scrivener being some short animadversions on their books soon after they came forth : in two letters to a friend (who could not hitherto get them published) : containing some remarques upon the celebrated conference at Hampton-Court / by a country scholar.	Barrett, William, 17th cent.	1679 (1679)	Wing B915; ESTC R37068	137,221	250

that are more skilful in Church-History than this Monsieur P. 103. The Church of England is be-lied for of her it is said that she holdeth subordination of Ministers in the Christian Church to be of Apostolical nay of Divine Institution having as she conceiveth for grounds of this her judgment beside Scripture the practice of the holy Apostles in their times of the Universal Church ever since until this latter age and which is more of Christ himself who ordained the Apostles and the Seventy in an imparity as two distinct Orders of Ministers in his Church yet notwithstanding she doth but simply assert the lawfulness of her own Government Certainly this man doth not pretend to know the conceptions of our Church till they be discovered and the Church hath no where declared her conceptions to be these That subordination of Ministers beside Scripture is grounded on the practice of the Apostles and of Christ himself The practice of the Apostles and of Christ is not beside Scripture but recorded in Scripture nor doth the Church any where say that Christ instituted the Apostles and the Seventy as two distinct Orders of Ministers in his Church if she do then Dr. Hammond did not know her mind or else plainly contradicts her P. 144. contains no fewer than four calumnies against Presbyterians which must be manifested in their order 1. The Presbyterians had no set-forms nor indeed would receive any whether for Common-prayer or for administration of Sacraments Matrimony c. I believe some Presbyterians had set-forms for all these and I am sure they do not account it unlawful to receive set-forms for any of these only they may and some of them do judge it inexpedient to have Ministers so tied up in all these as never in the least to vary either by addition or substraction I never heard of Presbyterian that administred Baptism in any other form of words than those appointed in the Liturgy I baptize in the Name of Father Son and Holy Ghost nor the Lords Supper in any other form of words but what is Scriptural nor Marriage but in a set-form either that in the Common-prayer-book or that in the Directory 2. For a long time many of them had left off the use of that very form our Lord hath taught us p. 37. He had said That most if not all Directorians had left out of their Service for a long time that most complete most divine form of prayer Mr. Paget Mr. Ball Mr. Hodges have printed Apologies for the use of the Lords prayer hundreds of those who now suffer deprivation have thousands of witnesses that they have used it in their Churches and in their Families on Sundays on Fasting-days and yet they must have this filth thrown into their dish However on this occasion let us try what Mr. D. can say Suppose some Presbyterians had never used this prayer in the Pulpit but only at the Lords Supper had they not president in the ancient Church to justifie them in so doing yea suppose some should say that it were no sin never to use this prayer provided a man took it as the pattern of his prayer how would Mr. D. stop their mouths and prove them transgressors In his Sermon p. 26. he brings the words Luke 11. When ye pray say and this place is commonly urged but perhaps is not so strong as some imagine it to be at least when managed as they manage it for I ask What is the meaning of When ye pray say Is the meaning When ye pray say after this manner or say these words 〈◊〉 but after this manner then the sword is not long enough to reach Mr. Ainsworth and his disciples for they pretend to say after that manner and not to conceal any part of the truth the Syriack translation in Luke requires it to be rendred sic or ad hunc modum estote dicentes but let the words mean say these words then I ask Whether the words in St. Matthew or St. Luke If the words that occur in Luke then we have no precept for the Doxology as it is in Matthew And really I have wondred what they meant who were wont to say at the conclusion of their Pulpit-prayers In his name and in his words we further pray saying as he hath taught us and yet had never satisfied themselves that the Doxology which they constantly in that case used was of our Lords own inditing There is reason saith Dr. Hammond to believe that the words of Doxology came in out of the Greek Liturgies and that the ancientest Greek Copies have them not Pract. Cat. lib. 3. sect 2. Grotius had said as much before Those who believe these two Learned men had need alter the form of words with which they usher in the Lords Prayer 'T is not safe to ascribe to Christ any thing but what is his but how shall a man know that the copies in which the Doxology is wanting are the most ancient Erasmus saith he found the Doxology in all the Greek Copies Lucas Brugensis that it was in all the Greek Parisian Copies but one And if one look into the various readings collected in our late Polyglot Bibles he shall find the Copies that want these words of Doxology to be but few wherefore Grotius hath got no credit by saying Seeing that they are not extant in the most ancient Greek Copies but are extant in the Syriack Arabick and Latin Context we may learn not only that the Arabick and Latin Version but also the Syriack was made after that the Liturgy of the Churches was brought into a certain form For the Doxology is not in some Arabick Versions not in that which is inserted into the Polyglot Bibles If the Syriack and Arabick which Grotius saw had put in the Doxology out of the Greek Liturgies why did they not also put it in in the Gospel of Luke unless it could be made appear that the Greek Liturgies varied I know not how he can answer this question Let me add this caution to young Scholars that they be not too hasty to give credit to every Copy that some men magnifie That Syriack Translation which is followed in the New Testament in our Polyglot Bibles if it were the ancientest would be a good argument of the Antiquity of Festivals or Holy-days but the Translation which Immanuel Tremelius followed for ought I know may be much ancienter and in it there appeareth no such distinction of days To return to St. Luke if his 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 import that we must use his very words in Greek or words in our language as near as may be to his then must we not follow our Liturgy for though it sometimes inserts the Doxology and sometimes omits it yet it never translateth the Lords Prayer according to St. Luke Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us is not to translate but paraphrase on St. Luke It is a little odd that in the whole Liturgy the Lords Prayer should