Selected quad for the lemma: prayer_n
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A63618
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A letter of enquiry to the reverend fathers of the Society of Jesus written in the person of a dissatisfied Roman Catholick.
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Taylor, James, fl. 1687-1689.
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1689
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Wing T284; ESTC R10414
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chysostom_n and_o by_o the_o mozarabical_a office_n use_v in_o spain_n that_o whereas_o we_o now_o pray_v to_o the_o christian_n than_o pray_v for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o patriarch_n prophet_n martyr_n confessor_n preacher_n evangelist_n and_o apostle_n and_o all_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a which_o die_v in_o the_o faith_n but_o chief_o for_o the_o holy_a glorious_a and_o perpetual_a virgin_n mary_n the_o mother_n of_o god._n now_o i_o desire_v to_o know_v of_o you_o whether_o any_o protestant_a writer_n have_v do_v this_o or_o whether_o it_o be_v true_a or_o false_a but_o if_o these_o thing_n be_v true_a and_o can_v be_v make_v appear_v as_o i_o be_o pretty_a sure_a they_o can_v than_o i_o desire_v to_o know_v whether_o the_o protestant_n can_v with_o great_a truth_n and_o justice_n make_v these_o conclusion_n upon_o we_o 1._o that_o our_o church_n and_o people_n now_o pray_v and_o make_v their_o confession_n to_o those_o very_a depart_a soul_n for_o which_o the_o ancient_a christian_n pray_v 2._o that_o the_o prayer_n which_o be_v then_o in_o use_n be_v for_o such_o person_n as_o by_o the_o confession_n even_o of_o ourselves_o never_o be_v in_o purgatory_n for_o who_o among_o we_o dare_v say_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o b._n virgin_n ever_o be_v in_o purgatory_n 3._o that_o the_o ancient_n practise_v of_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a do_v not_o at_o all_o prove_v their_o belief_n of_o a_o purgatory_n and_o that_o there_o may_v be_v prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o yet_o no_o purgatory_n 4._o that_o the_o christian_n of_o those_o time_n do_v not_o believe_v the_o saint_n depart_v enjoy_v beatifical_a vision_n and_o so_o to_o be_v sure_o do_v not_o pray_v to_o they_o for_o be_v it_o not_o a_o little_a too_o gross_a to_o think_v of_o they_o that_o if_o they_o have_v believe_v the_o saint_n enjoy_v beatifical_a vision_n they_o will_v still_o pray_v for_o they_o and_o if_o they_o have_v believe_v that_o the_o saint_n do_v not_o enjoy_v beatifical_a vision_n be_v it_o not_o to_o treat_v they_o like_o mad-folk_n to_o think_v they_o will_v pray_v to_o they_o and_o 5._o and_o last_o may_v not_o all_o this_o be_v allow_v to_o make_v up_o a_o demonstration_n that_o at_o least_o in_o these_o article_n of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o the_o belief_n of_o purgatory_n etc._n etc._n our_o faith_n doctrine_n and_o practice_n be_v quite_o contrary_a to_o the_o first_o christian_n sect_n iv_o quere_z i._o pray_v reverend_a father_n what_o be_v that_o lawful_a use_n of_o and_o due_a honour_n and_o veneration_n which_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n session_n 25_o say_v ought_v and_o be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o image_n and_o relic_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o saint_n wherein_o do_v it_o consist_v and_o by_o what_o act_n word_n and_o sign_n be_v it_o to_o be_v signify_v and_o express_v be_v it_o the_o same_o that_o be_v due_a to_o christ_n and_o the_o saint_n or_o be_v it_o some_o other_o different_a from_o that_o whether_o these_o word_n of_o the_o council_n lawful_a and_o due_a do_v not_o necessary_o imply_v that_o the_o people_n may_v be_v guilty_a of_o give_v a_o unlawful_a and_o a_o undue_a honour_n and_o veneration_n and_o if_o so_o wherein_o do_v that_o consist_v and_o how_o may_v i_o know_v it_o to_o avoid_v it_o why_o be_v not_o the_o council_n so_o kind_a and_o so_o honest_a to_o tell_v we_o poor_a ignorant_a people_n what_o be_v lawful_a and_o due_a and_o what_o be_v not_o whether_o in_o your_o conscience_n you_o do_v not_o think_v that_o in_o those_o country_n where_o catholic_n have_v their_o full_a swing_n and_o have_v a_o full_a liberty_n of_o worship_n and_o no_o body_n to_o oppose_v and_o disturb_v they_o with_o question_n as_o in_o spain_n italy_n etc._n etc._n a_o great_a many_o ignorant_a people_n do_v not_o exceed_v in_o their_o use_n honour_n and_o veneration_n of_o image_n and_o relic_n and_o real_o give_v they_o what_o be_v unlawful_a and_o undue_a and_o if_o so_o may_v not_o a_o man_n reasonable_o doubt_v especial_o too_o when_o he_o consider_v that_o the_o father_n of_o this_o council_n own_a that_o great_a abuse_n be_v then_o creep_v into_o these_o matter_n and_o give_v such_o strict_a charge_n to_o the_o bishop_n to_o instruct_v the_o people_n lest_o they_o shall_v fall_v into_o dangerous_a error_n that_o this_o doctrine_n and_o this_o piece_n of_o devotion_n of_o our_o church_n do_v very_o great_o tempt_v ignorant_a man_n and_o woman_n to_o idolatry_n and_o superstition_n beside_o i_o think_v reverend_a father_n you_o grant_v that_o it_o be_v not_o a_o duty_n command_v by_o god_n why_o then_o since_o there_o be_v apparent_a danger_n in_o it_o for_o and_o great_a abuse_n and_o cheat_n practise_v by_o those_o of_o our_o communion_n and_o that_o it_o be_v a_o very_a great_a block_n of_o offence_n to_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o hindrance_n to_o their_o be_v reunite_v to_o we_o be_v it_o not_o infinite_o better_a and_o wise_a of_o our_o church_n if_o she_o entire_o abolish_v it_o quere_z ii_o whether_o more_o respect_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o due_a to_o the_o person_n of_o the_o mean_a beggar_n than_o to_o all_o the_o image_n etc._n etc._n of_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n or_o ten_o thousand_o saint_n because_o it_o be_v think_v that_o the_o poor_a be_v indeed_o the_o true_a image_n of_o jesus_n christ_n quere_z iii_o whether_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v that_o there_o have_v be_v image_n and_o picture_n make_v to_o counterfeit_a tear_n word_n and_o gesture_n be_v it_o not_o high_o suspicious_a that_o the_o church_n connivance_n at_o they_o at_o least_o be_v to_o induce_v silly_a people_n to_o believe_v there_o be_v something_o of_o divine_a in_o they_o and_o to_o procure_v secular_a honour_n and_o advantage_n to_o the_o pastor_n etc._n etc._n if_o this_o be_v not_o the_o reason_n i_o desire_v to_o know_v why_o so_o long_o they_o be_v connive_v at_o and_o suffer_v in_o many_o place_n and_o country_n and_o whether_o the_o multitude_n of_o fictitious_a and_o false_a relic_n the_o suppositious_a saint_n the_o image_n of_o a_o false_a stamp_n and_o the_o pretend_a new_a miracle_n make_v it_o not_o high_o reasonable_a for_o we_o catholic_n careful_o to_o inquire_v into_o the_o truth_n of_o these_o thing_n before_o we_o admit_v and_o believe_v they_o and_o since_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n in_o the_o same_o session_n speak_v of_o these_o kind_n of_o abuse_n and_o give_v charge_n about_o they_o i_o desire_v of_o you_o reverend_a father_n to_o know_v by_o what_o infallible_a rule_n we_o people_n must_v examine_v these_o matter_n so_o as_o that_o we_o can_v possible_o be_v deceive_v with_o counterfeit_n and_o i_o humble_o entreat_v you_o sincere_o to_o tell_v i_o whether_o these_o trick_n abuse_n and_o cheat_n be_v not_o at_o first_o bring_v in_o and_o practise_v upon_o the_o credulity_n of_o the_o poor_a ignorant_a and_o superstitious_a people_n and_o afterward_o keep_v and_o nourish_v by_o the_o clergy_n for_o dishonest_a and_o base_a gain_n as_o the_o aforesaid_a decree_n speak_v and_o whether_o in_o these_o day_n we_o have_v not_o as_o much_o reason_n to_o question_v the_o truth_n of_o relic_n image_n miracle_n etc._n etc._n and_o dishonest_a practice_n and_o design_n as_o they_o have_v in_o former_a time_n and_o if_o we_o have_v not_o i_o desire_v you_o to_o assign_v i_o good_a substantial_a reason_n for_o it_o quere_z iv_o i_o be_o tell_v reverend_a father_n that_o since_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n there_o be_v a_o new_a pontifical_a and_o in_o that_o a_o form_n for_o a_o solemn_a consecration_n of_o image_n etc._n etc._n now_o i_o humble_o inquire_v for_o the_o true_a reason_n why_o you_o consecrate_v and_o make_v prayer_n in_o the_o consecration_n of_o image_n and_o the_o crucifix_n be_v not_o this_o a_o very_a fair_a way_n to_o induce_v silly_a and_o superstitious_a people_n to_o believe_v there_o be_v after_o that_o some_o sort_n of_o divinity_n in_o they_o or_o some_o more_o than_o ordinary_a presence_n or_o operation_n in_o or_o by_o they_o else_o pray_v tell_v i_o why_o many_o of_o we_o have_v a_o great_a opinion_n of_o one_o image_n than_o of_o another_o of_o the_o same_o person_n and_o in_o one_o place_n rather_o than_o in_o another_o for_o instance_n the_o image_n of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n why_o be_v it_o not_o as_o effectual_a and_o meritorious_a to_o worship_v she_o before_o her_o image_n at_o montserat_fw-la as_o at_o montaigu_a and_o near_o at_o home_o as_o at_o loretto_n why_o do_v we_o go_v long_o and_o painful_a pilgrimage_n to_o certain_a image_n at_o certain_a place_n if_o it_o be_v not_o at_o least_o in_o hope_n of_o be_v better_o hear_v and_o find_v more_o sure_a relief_n for_o pray_v to_o and_o worship_v of_o she_o there_o will_v not_o a_o wise_a man_n be_v apt_a to_o think_v
here_o be_v something_o of_o trick_n and_o artifice_n in_o this_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n but_o i_o humble_o inquire_v of_o you_o what_o be_v the_o true_a and_o honest_a account_n and_o reason_n of_o this_o whole_a matter_n what_o proof_n from_o scripture_n or_o what_o authority_n from_o prime_a antiquity_n for_o this_o practice_n quere_z v._o pray_v reverend_a father_n what_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o that_o prayer_n which_o the_o bishop_n use_v in_o blessing_n and_o consecrate_v a_o new_a cross_n find_v in_o the_o pontifical_a viz._n we_o pray_v thou_o o_o lord_n etc._n etc._n that_o thou_o will_v vouchsafe_v to_o bless_v this_o wood_n of_o thy_o cross_n that_o it_o may_v be_v a_o wholesome_a remedy_n to_o mankind_n a_o stability_n of_o faith_n a_o increase_n of_o good_a work_n the_o redemption_n of_o soul_n a_o comfort_n protection_n and_o defence_n against_o the_o evil_a dart_n of_o the_o enemy_n through_o our_o lord_n &_o c._n and_o also_o of_o that_o hymn_n or_o prayer_n find_v in_o the_o brev._n sab._n ante_fw-la domin_n pass_n &_o fest_n invent_v crucis_fw-la hail_v o_o cross_n our_o only_a hope_n increase_v grace_n in_o the_o godly_a and_o blot_v out_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o guilty_a i_o profess_v reverend_a father_n these_o two_o prayer_n infinite_o trouble_v my_o mind_n for_o i_o can_v for_o my_o life_n understand_v but_o that_o we_o make_v the_o material_a wooden_a cross_n a_o object_n of_o divine_a worship_n and_o direct_o pray_v unto_o it_o or_o else_o that_o these_o prayer_n be_v perfect_a nonfence_n but_o be_v please_v to_o let_v i_o ask_v you_o a_o few_o question_n after_o the_o bishop_n have_v pray_v bless_v this_o wood_n be_v the_o cross_n still_o natural_a wood_n and_o the_o same_o it_o be_v before_o or_o be_v its_o nature_n change_v and_o alter_v and_o be_v there_o some_o virtue_n and_o excellency_n communicate_v to_o it_o else_o what_o mean_v these_o word_n bless_v this_o wood_n do_v we_o pray_v unto_o and_o worship_n this_o cross_n or_o that_o on_o which_o our_o b._n saviour_n be_v crucify_a but_o let_v it_o be_v which_o it_o will_v be_v it_o not_o gross_a idolatry_n to_o make_v either_o of_o they_o the_o object_n of_o adoration_n and_o direct_o to_o pray_v to_o either_o of_o they_o if_o we_o say_v that_o we_o do_v not_o pray_v to_o either_o of_o they_o nor_o make_v either_o of_o they_o the_o object_n of_o adoration_n but_o jesus_n christ_n who_o suffree_v upon_o the_o cross_n then_o where_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o this_o prayer_n bless_v this_o wood_n etc._n etc._n and_o hail_o o_o cross_n etc._n etc._n what_o a_o unhappiness_n be_v this_o and_o will_v not_o any_o rational_a man_n think_v the_o composer_n of_o our_o prayer_n and_o the_o church_n too_o be_v both_o of_o they_o constant_o infatuate_v to_o make_v choice_n of_o such_o word_n and_o expression_n in_o their_o prayer_n to_o god_n and_o our_o b._n saviour_n that_o to_o take_v and_o understand_v they_o in_o the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o composer_n and_o of_o the_o church_n we_o must_v do_v violence_n to_o all_o the_o rule_n of_o grammar_n and_o to_o the_o plain_a and_o natural_a and_o general_o receive_v sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o word_n and_o speech_n quere_z vi_o i_o inquire_v reverend_a father_n whether_o our_o distinguish_n and_o say_v we_o do_v not_o give_v divine_a worship_n terminative_o but_o relative_o and_o transient_o to_o a_o crucifix_n or_o to_o image_n etc._n etc._n will_v save_v we_o from_o idolatry_n any_o more_o than_o it_o do_v the_o heathen_n in_o their_o worship_n of_o the_o sun_n and_o wooden_a image_n and_o whether_o the_o same_o plea_n if_o it_o will_v excuse_v we_o from_o gross_a idolatry_n may_v not_o as_o well_o excuse_v they_o viz._n that_o we_o do_v not_o worship_v that_o crucifix_n or_o that_o image_n etc._n etc._n which_o we_o see_v and_o pray_v before_o but_o he_o who_o suffer_v on_o it_o or_o he_o who_o it_o represent_v so_o they_o we_o do_v not_o worship_v the_o sun_n or_o this_o image_n or_o statue_n but_o he_o who_o create_v the_o sun_n and_o the_o great_a god_n by_o this_o image_n and_o this_o statue_n sect_n v._o quere_z i._o pray_v reverend_a father_n what_o be_v the_o reason_n why_o ancient_o the_o people_n of_o our_o church_n use_v to_o pray_v thus_o grant_v unto_o we_o o_o lord_n that_o this_o oblation_n may_v profit_v the_o soul_n of_o thy_o servant_n leo_n and_o that_o afterward_o this_o contrary_a form_n be_v use_v grant_v unto_o we_o o_o lord_n that_o by_o the_o interest_n of_o thy_o servant_n leo_n this_o oblation_n may_v profit_v we_o be_v leo_n one_o of_o our_o pope_n and_o a_o saint_n in_o purgatory_n when_o the_o first_o form_n be_v use_v and_o be_v he_o out_o of_o purgatory_n and_o in_o heaven_n when_o the_o second_o form_n be_v use_v what_o infallible_a assurance_n have_v we_o that_o any_o soul_n be_v release_v out_o of_o purgatory_n and_o in_o particular_a that_o he_o be_v now_o out_o of_o purgatory_n and_o if_o we_o have_v not_o how_o come_v we_o to_o use_v this_o last_o form_n of_o prayer_n but_o pray_v reverend_a father_n deal_v ingenuous_o with_o i_o do_v glorious_a saint_n canonize_v and_o reign_v in_o heaven_n use_v to_o pass_v through_o purgatory_n fire_n be_v st._n monica_n st._n augustine_n mother_n in_o purgatory_n can_v you_o prove_v she_o be_v there_o or_o do_v you_o think_v and_o can_v you_o prove_v that_o st._n austin_n believe_v she_o there_o when_o he_o pray_v for_o she_o and_o if_o she_o be_v not_o in_o purgatory_n do_v it_o not_o prove_v that_o the_o ancient_n use_v to_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a which_o yet_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v in_o purgatory_n why_o then_o do_v we_o pray_v for_o none_o but_o those_o we_o believe_v in_o purgatory_n where_o be_v our_o conformity_n to_o the_o belief_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o ancient_n in_o this_o matter_n quere_z ii_o do_v our_o church_n reverend_a father_n teach_v that_o all_o soul_n none_o except_v who_o be_v so_o happy_a to_o be_v save_v must_v and_o do_v pass_v through_o the_o fire_n of_o purgatory_n if_o she_o do_v and_o likewise_o that_o our_o prayer_n etc._n etc._n do_v help_v they_o how_o can_v we_o in_o charity_n justify_v our_o constant_a custom_n of_o not_o pray_v for_o the_o depart_v soul_n of_o protestant_n do_v we_o believe_v that_o the_o protestant_n live_v and_o die_v such_o be_v not_o final_o save_v but_o damn_v do_v not_o this_o sound_n harsh_a to_o christian_a charity_n and_o do_v not_o this_o our_o neglect_n of_o offer_v up_o prayer_n and_o say_v mass_n for_o their_o soul_n open_o declare_v to_o the_o world_n our_o uncharitableness_n and_o that_o we_o believe_v the_o soul_n of_o every_o person_n live_v and_o die_v in_o the_o reform_a religion_n be_v damn_v since_o we_o never_o fail_v of_o offer_v up_o prayer_n and_o mass_n for_o those_o soul_n of_o who_o we_o have_v the_o least_o hope_n of_o salvation_n quere_z iii_o do_v not_o you_o reverend_a father_n reckon_v the_o reform_a religion_n to_o be_v christian_a why_o then_o do_v you_o teach_v we_o to_o think_v and_o call_v it_o a_o new_a religion_n be_v the_o three_o creed_n the_o ten_o commandment_n the_o lord_n prayer_n and_o the_o holy_a scripture_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n new_a and_o yet_o i_o be_o pretty_a well_o assure_v these_o be_v the_o foundation_n and_o contain_v the_o whole_a of_o their_o religion_n why_o then_o do_v you_o ask_v they_o and_o teach_v we_o to_o do_v so_o where_o be_v your_o religion_n before_o luther_n where_o be_v the_o justice_n and_o the_o truth_n of_o this_o be_v it_o not_o plain_a that_o god_n and_o our_o b._n saviour_n be_v the_o author_n of_o this_o religion_n but_o reverend_a father_n what_o if_o they_o shall_v ask_v we_o as_o sometime_o i_o have_v be_v ask_v without_o be_v able_a to_o answer_v a_o word_n where_o be_v your_o religion_n before_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n what_o shall_v i_o say_v for_o my_o part_n i_o have_v look_v till_o my_o eye_n be_v weary_a and_o can_v find_v a_o word_n either_o in_o the_o three_o creed_n the_o ten_o commandment_n the_o lord_n prayer_n or_o the_o holy_a scripture_n that_o our_o saviour_n have_v forbid_v we_o to_o receive_v the_o communion_n in_o both_o kind_n that_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o priest_n saying_n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n be_v transubstantiate_v into_o the_o very_a natural_a flesh_n blood_n bones_o and_o sinew_n and_o the_o soul_n and_o divinity_n of_o our_o dear_a saviour_n that_o we_o must_v pray_v to_o god_n in_o a_o language_n we_o understand_v not_o that_o saint_n and_o angel_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v with_o religious_a worship_n that_o man_n soul_n go_v to_o purgatory_n before_o they_o go_v to_o heaven_n that_o the_o pope_n of_o rome_n be_v christ_n vicar_n and_o that_o