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48._o pray_v that_o god_n in_o who_o sight_n he_o walk_v and_o the_o angel_n who_o deliver_v he_o from_o evil_n shall_v bless_v his_o child_n this_o be_v it_o that_o be_v understand_v in_o that_o article_n of_o our_o creed_n the_o communion_n of_o saint_n that_o the_o saint_n of_o the_o triumphant_a church_n in_o heaven_n of_o the_o militant_a on_o earth_n and_o the_o patient_n in_o purgatory_n have_v a_o communication_n of_o prayer_n and_o merit_n betwixt_o they_o that_o those_o of_o heaven_n pray_v for_o we_o and_o we_o by_o our_o prayer_n and_o suffrage_n do_v help_v they_o in_o purgatory_n mr_n sall_n think_v it_o extravagancy_n that_o we_o call_v the_o b._n virgin_v our_o savioress_n and_o redeemer_n and_o if_o he_o be_v impartial_a he_o must_v call_v the_o prophet_n david_n extravagant_a also_o when_o he_o say_v speak_v of_o the_o saint_n psal_n 81._o i_o have_v say_v you_o be_v god_n and_o the_o son_n of_o the_o high_a all_o and_o perhaps_o he_o will_v not_o stick_v to_o blame_v god_n himself_o who_o say_v to_o moses_n ex._n 7.1_o behold_v i_o have_v make_v thou_o a_o god_n to_o pharaoh_n we_o call_v the_o b._n v._o so_o because_o those_o name_n may_v be_v give_v in_o a_o improper_a sense_n to_o the_o chief_a instrument_n of_o our_o redemption_n as_o she_o be_v be_v the_o mother_n of_o he_o who_o be_v true_o our_o redeemer_n we_o build_v more_o church_n say_v mr_n sall_n and_o say_v more_o prayer_n to_o some_o saint_n than_o to_o god_n we_o answer_n that_o all_o the_o honour_n we_o exhibit_v to_o saint_n be_v give_v to_o god_n for_o who_o sake_n we_o honour_v they_o to_o they_o we_o build_v church_n for_o his_o sake_n because_o they_o be_v his_o great_a servant_n he_o assure_v we_o in_o the_o gospel_n that_o what_o we_o do_v to_o one_o of_o his_o little_a one_o we_o do_v it_o to_o he_o much_o more_o we_o may_v be_v assure_v we_o do_v to_o he_o and_o for_o he_o what_o we_o do_v to_o and_o for_o his_o saint_n in_o heaven_n whereas_o himself_o tell_v we_o io._n 12_o 26._o if_o any_o will_v serve_v i_o my_o father_n will_v honour_v he_o much_o more_o ought_v they_o to_o be_v honour_v by_o us._n purgatory_n and_o indulgence_n mr_n shall_v rallye_n about_o the_o situation_n of_o purgatory_n and_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o torment_n that_o there_o be_v suffer_v if_o cold_a heat_n rain_n or_o tempest_n &c_n &c_n all_o which_o be_v to_o no_o purpose_n for_o what_o be_v controvert_v betwixt_o protestant_n and_o catholic_n be_v not_o what_o place_n be_v purgatory_n in_o or_o what_o be_v the_o pain_n inflict_v there_o but_o if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o thing_n as_o purgatory_n the_o protestant_n deny_v any_o three_o receptacle_n of_o soul_n depart_v but_o must_v go_v either_o to_o heaven_n or_o hell_n for_o where_o the_o tree_n fall_v there_o it_o remain_v the_o orthodox_n doctrine_n be_v that_o there_o be_v a_o purgatory_n where_o soul_n depart_v with_o venial_a sin_n only_o or_o that_o after_o the_o remission_n of_o their_o mortal_a sin_n in_o this_o life_n by_o the_o sacrament_n of_o confession_n or_o by_o a_o act_n of_o contrition_n have_v not_o do_v sufficient_a penance_n in_o this_o life_n for_o their_o transgression_n must_v suffer_v until_o they_o satisfy_v god_n justice_n to_o the_o last_o farthing_n this_o be_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n but_o the_o church_n have_v not_o determine_v in_o what_o place_n be_v purgatory_n that_o be_v a_o school_n question_n as_o for_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o torment_n there_o inflict_v it_o be_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n that_o they_o be_v torment_v with_o the_o privation_n or_o banishment_n from_o god_n sight_n also_o it_o be_v of_o faith_n that_o they_o be_v torment_v by_o fire_n but_o the_o church_n have_v not_o determine_v what_o kind_n of_o fire_n be_v that_o or_o how_o it_o torment_v and_o though_o divin_n and_o father_n speak_v of_o other_o torment_n yet_o it_o be_v no_o article_n of_o faith_n that_o they_o suffer_v this_o or_o that_o of_o cold_a snow_n or_o tempest_n to_o prove_v our_o catholic_n tenet_n i_o will_v first_o prove_v that_o there_o be_v some_o other_o receptacle_n of_o soul_n depart_v beside_o heaven_n and_o hell_n of_o the_o damn_a second_o i_o will_v prove_v that_o there_o be_v a_o purgatory_n the_o first_o be_v prove_v by_o the_o article_n of_o our_o creed_n he_o descend_v into_o hell_n which_o can_v be_v understand_v to_o be_v the_o hell_n of_o the_o damn_a for_o all_o christian_n abhor_v the_o blasphemy_n of_o caluin_n that_o say_v christ_n his_o soul_n suffer_v the_o pain_n of_o the_o damn_a the_o protestant_n give_v a_o most_o obscure_a interpretation_n to_o that_o clear_a text_n by_o the_o word_n hell_n say_v they_o be_v understand_v the_o grave_n and_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o article_n be_v that_o christ_n his_o body_n descend_v into_o the_o grave_n this_o be_v most_o absurd_a for_o in_o the_o next_o word_n before_o this_o article_n the_o descent_n of_o his_o body_n to_o the_o grave_n be_v express_o declare_v he_o be_v crucify_v 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