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A02352	Ignis fatuus. Or, The elf-fire of purgatorie Wherein Bellarmine is confuted by arguments both out of the Old and New Testament, and by his owne proofes out of Scriptures and Fathers. Also an annexe to this treatise of purgatorie, concerning the distinction of sinne in mortall and veniall. By M. William Guild, Minister at King-Edvvard.	Guild, William, 1586-1657.	1625 (1625)	STC 12481; ESTC S118973	32,841	72

punishment of sinne and is inflicted vpon the godly not to preuent sinne but for satisfaction to Gods Iustice. Whereto wee answere That to no purpose doth hee instance the common calamities of all men or death of all in generall seeing our controuersie heere is onely of satisfactory punishment proper to the godly in particular which Bellarmine himselfe confesseth the former not to be and so most clearly answeres for vs saying That Indulgences take not away Poenas naturales communes sed illam quae infligitur in foro poenitentiario haec enim est per quam Domino satisfacimus cui succedit nisi Domino satisfiat in praesenti purgatorii poena So that these other naturall and common calamities are the fruites of sinne but not satisfactions for sinne Againe Bellarmine more plainely as yet answeres for vs saying Mortis debitum non erat solum vt moreremur sed vt in morte perpetuò maneremus And this debt by his satisfaction Christ hath so freed vs thereof that death altering its nature to the godly is now but a safe passage to life of a curse made a full cure and blessing ending our fight leading vs to our crowne bringing vs to our countrey to the sight of God company of Angels societie of Saints and coniunction with Christ and therefore so expected with ioy and desired with longing which no punishment could bee Besides that hereby he contradicts himselfe saying that in baptisme the whole guilt and the whole punishment of sinne is remitted and yet sodainely after baptisme many Infants die To say therefore that the death of these is a satisfactory punishment when nothing is to bee satisfied for vnremitted fully is an absurd contradiction His third instance is of violent death inflicted on some as a satisfactorie and temporall punishment after the remission of the sinne as Exod. 32. of those that were killed for worshiping the golden Calfe Numb 14. of those that murmured against the Lord. 1 King 13. of the Prophet slaine by the Lyon and 1 Cor. 11. the death of those that vnworthily communicate We answer that these first that were slaine were manifest Idolaters of whose repentance or remission we reade not but of the iust deserued temporall punishment here and what such merite hereafter 1 Cor. 6.9 Next the others that murmured are called by the Apostle hard-hearted misbeleeuing wicked and disobedient and who as cleerely appeares Heb. 4.2.3 were also excluded out of the heauenly rest that which God remitted being according to Moses desire only their full deletion as God had threatned and their posterities To the other two examples we answer that all that they proue we grant to wit that disobedience and sinne is the efficient cause of temporall punishments but such punishments of the godly are not payments to God and redemptions of themselues So our difference is of the finall cause which is either for example to others to be aware or amendment of themselues or as Augustine saith cited by Bellarmine vel ad demonstrationem debitae miseriae vel emendationem labilis vitae vel ad exercitationem necessariae patientiae Neither read we of the Prophets repentance nor remission nor of the reconcilement of these vnworthy receiuers against whom that are such the Apostle threatneth the receiuing of their damnation Last of all when enforced by truth Bellarmine is made to confesse meritū Christi sufficere ad omnē culpam et poenam tollendam he comes to this shift that it must be applyed by Purgatory and all be it that in baptisme it take away all yet hee saith blasphemously quod deus tantum semel utitur ea liberalitate et postea contrahit nonnihil manum and will haue vs to satisfie for our selues and that for the temporall punishment quod vna tantum si actualis satisfactio et ea sit nostra Whereunto wee answer that wee grant that Christs merit is not auailable to any without application but the meanes are set downe expresly in the word to wit faith by the Word and Sacraments and by which meanes whensoeuer it is applyed it looseth none of its full vertue nor as they blasphemously affirme doth the Lord but once only vse such liberalitie to accept it for as much as it is worth towards the godly like the Pope who neuer but once at his Coronation scatters his copper money amongst the people but Faith applies it euer and he accepts it euer according to the full vertue and value thereof as being sufficient to free the godly as well from the temporall satisfactorie punishment which is the lesse as from the eternall which is the more Besides likewise that the meanes of applying a thing should be actiue and not a passion or torment so neither should these meanes be contrary to the benefit which we enioy by them as who to see should cloose his eie lids applying Gods mercie by the execution of his Iustice pardon by punishment discharge of debt by payment and applying the grace of Christ by a meanes derogating from his grace which is altogether impious and absurd As for his testimonies of Councels and Fathers that he brings in for prayer for the dead out of which hee would inferre Purgatory they neuer proue his point 1. Because this did proceede of an errour that sundry of the Fathers did hold and the whole Greeke Church as yet whom Bellarmine refutes that the soules of the Godly remained till the resurrection in certaine hid receptacles without seeing God 2. Their owne Canon of the Masse prayes for the soules of the faithfull which doe sleepe in the slumber of peace for so are the words Memento domin● animarum famulorum famularumque tuarum quae nos pracesserunt in signe fidei et dormiunt in somno pacis And yet these soules so long since departed cannot be said now to be in the fire of Purgatory for none could sleepe peaceable or found in so easelesse a bed except they make labouring and rest sleepe and waking peace and torment to bee all one 3. Cyprian testifies that they offered for the Apostles and Martyrs whom yet they thought not to be in Purgatorie and in the ancient Missalls Bellarmine grants that on the day of Pope Leo the 8. canonized Saint the Church said Annuè quaesumus domine vt animae B. Leonis haec prosit oblatio and yet this prayer for his soule imported not by their owne confession that it was in Purgatory 4. Likewise they prayed for the dead for declaration of their loue to them and not doubting that the soules notwithstanding were in blisse already and in that ioy which they prayed for vnto them as Augustines words for his mother Monica plainely manifests et credo domine quod feceris quod te rogo sed voluntaria oris mei approba domine And whereas the same Augustine would seem more plainely to make for Purgatorie in other places againe he either calles it in doubt if

to take it only Metaphorically there when no note of similitude is perfixed thereto as in the second place and to take it properly only there where expreslie in the contrary the spirit of God doth put vpon it a speciall note of similitude 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to preuent any such fallacie as he doth in the last place Neither is that instance of Bellarmines vnto this valid to the contrary where out of Iohn 1.14 he would proue that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not euer a note of militude which wee grant but that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not euer a note of similitude hee shall neuer proue 1 Cor. 15.29 What shall they doe then that are baptized for the dead if the dead rise not Where by baptizing is meant afflicting saith Bellarmine which none needed to doe for the dead by mourning and fasting c. if they were not in Purgatorie 1. This is a most difficile place as Bellarmine grants and variously expounded by the Auncients all whose expositions hee reiect and therefore no ground of Faith can bee proued thereby 2. Admitting that to be baptized is to be afflicted yet this is not actiuely to afflict themselues but passiuely as the word beares to bee afflicted by others and although it were actually to afflict themselues by mourning and fasting for the dead yet this will not import that therefore they are in Purgatorie for the faithfull mourned for Stephen who being a Martyr is not thought by the Papists owne confession that therefore he was in Purgatory To be baptized then for the dead or rather for dead is o to be afflicted for the beleife and profession of Christs resurrection and the hope of the godlies resurrection through him whereof the Apostle speakes so as both in others account and their owne resolution likewise they were esteemed as dead men through the fiercenesse of persecution then in ieopardie euery houre as the Apostle saith and dying daily Or else the Apostles scope being to proue the resurrection he imployeth baptisme to this his purpose which then was by plunging the whole body in water in token that the baptized were to die and be buried to sin and out of which their comming vp againe did represent both the dutie to rise to holinesse here and the hope of a ioyfull resurrection hereafter Which mortification of sinne and being baptized for dead thereto by denying carnall pleasures to liue in them were needlesse for any man to practise but to liue like an epicure if there were not a resurrection to a better life hereafter So that whether wee consider our promise at baptisme to die to sinne or the representation that is in it of dead men thereto or the efficacie thereof flowing from Christs death to mortifie sin in vs or the hazard of Christians then amongst their enemies for the profession of Christian Baptisme as the Apostle shewes the sense is euer sound vnrested and orthodoxe Mat. 3.11 He shall baptize you with the Holy-Ghost to wit heere saith Bellarmine and with fire that is in Purgatorie hereafter 1. If by fire Purgatorie were meant then it would follow that all whom Christ baptizeth with the Holy-Ghost here should goe to Purgatorie hereafter which Bellarmine himselfe denies Next Christ is only said to be the baptizer with fire here but by diuers reuelations saith Bellarmine it hath beene showne that soules in Purgatorie are baptized or afflicted with Deuills But what truly is meant by fire Chrysostome on this place declares saying Comemoratione ignis adiuncta rursus ipsius vehemens gratia et incoprehensibile signauit donum Mat. 5.26 Verily thou shalt not come out thence till thou paye the vttermost farthing Purgatorie then is this prison wherein men must satisfie for their veniall sinnes 1. This place is only properly to be taken as Theophylact Chrysostome Tolet vpon Luke and your owne Ferus on this place witnesse Christ therein perswading vnto brotherly reconciliation if it were but for eschewing of temporall incommodities 2. Giuing that it were allegoricall yet Augustine who expounds it so makes the prison to be Hell as Bellarmine grants the payment eternall punishment donec to signifie no certaine time but neuer as Psal. 110.1 1 Cor. 15.25 is euident Againe vnreconciled persons with their aduersary are cast into this prison but the godly are reconciled with God before they depart hence say the Papists themselues therefore it cannot be they that goe to this prison And last of all by paying the vtmost farthing is meant as our vsuall phrase of speech witnesseth the full summe without the least want and so it is not to be vnderstood exclusiue of the greatest part but inclusiue of the least portion and whereby man so should be made perfectly to be his owne Sauiour Matthew 5.21 Out of this place saith Bellarmine Augustine gathers that there are three sortes of sinnes and three sorts of punishments after this life lighter sinnes hauing lighter punishment which saith Bellarmine is the temporall that soules sustaine in Purgatorie compared here to the councell 1. That there are diuers degrees of sinne and diuers degrees of punishment after this life wee willingly graunt with Augustine but that the godly sustaine any such in Purgatorie this place will neuer proue Neither from alligories can be drawne any such enforcing arguments or from words denotating only Courts of Iudiciall Decrees heere to proue places of execution or punishment hereafter euen as who would proue Golgotha by Gabbatha Next if it be rightly concluded by Bellarmine that punishments after this life are here spoken of decreted in foro poli because Gehenna is mentioned then by a like reason it will follow that punishments inflicted only in this life are by the other whereby he meanes Purgatory spoken of decreed in foro soli because such Iudicatories are only in this life and so that Gehenna is the only punishment that is after the same And last if Bellarmines exposition and argument out of this place were good it would follow that wrath euill speeches were but veniall sinnes for such are said only to deserue the counsell which he expounded to be Purgatorie and yet the Apostles Iames and Iohn shewe that such deserue eternall death and so both of them are belied by the Cardinall Luk 16.9 Make you friends of the Mammon of of iniquitie that when yee faile they may receiue you into euerlasting habitations and this is by their prayers saith Bellarmine deliuering them out of Purgatory This place is most cleare against them shewing that at the charitable Christians departure their soules are straight way received into Heauen without going to any Purgatory and therefore ther is one word of the deliuerance out of the but one only of the receiuing into the other So likewise as little makes that prayer of the Thiefe for them Luk. 23.24 disiring of Christ an entrie into his heauenly kingdome but no egresse out of a hellish

Purgatorie Act. 2.24 Whom God raised hauing loosed the dolours of Hell that is deliuered soules out of Purgatory 1. The words are the dolours of death and not of Hell by which what is meant is cleare out of Psalm 18.4.5 calling the dolours of death the snares of death and by the dolours of the graue meaning the same and by both vnderstanding so the captiuating of death and the detayning power of the Graue wherein our Sauiour by his buriall as Deaths prisoner was inclosed and both which powers by his resurrection hee overcame as by his triumph Hose 13. is euident and as Bellarmine grants Lib. 4. de Christo. cap. 8. and that with Chrysostome and Oecumenius is meant thereby either that by Christ resurrection God loosed the dolours of death that was pained in holding him so long in the graue or else that by his resurrection he destroyed death and all the stinging dolours thereof which accompanied the same And so he makes him do that by the raysing vp of his body there which by the discense of his soule he would haue him to doe here Next if by such words Purgatory were meant then it would follow that Christ should haue suffered in Purgatory seing as is euident Peter speakes of the dolours which his humane nature suffered and his diuine loosed And therefore it was himselfe that was loosed from them as Sampson from his cords at first because it was impossible that he saith the Apostle and not others in Purgatorie should be holden by them And to vse retortion of this place against themselues if they meane Purgatory by these dolours as Bellarmine doth the same is quite vndone because Christ is said not to haue loosed any soules out of these dolours but the dolours themselues whereof it will follow either that there is no Purgatorie left at all or else such a one as is quite dolourlesse and without paine Philip 2.10 At the Name of Iesus euery knee shall bow of things in Heauen on earth and vnder the earth Which last sort seeing it is not the deuils nor the damned that giue voluntary obedience it must be the soules in Purgatory 1. Bellarmine himselfe answeres for vs and shewes that this speech borrowed from Isai. is expounded by the Apostle Rom. 10.14 of Christ comming to iudge all men before whom all the wicked sore against their wils shal compeare and yeeld subiection whereof the bowing of the knee among men is a signe Neither by bowing of the knee could be meant a voluntary subiection for this reason because then it would follow that all the wicked euen in this life gaue voluntary subiection to Christ because it is said That euery knee on earth shall bow As for 1 Pet. 3.20 Bellarmine prooues Limbus patrum thereby Therefore it cannot be adduced likewise to prooue Purgatory neither doth the word Prison in Scripture signifie but only the hell of the damned when it speaks of the imprisoning of Spirits And therefore it is the wicked and disobedient that are said to bee there and so neither the Fathers not the godly whom Christ is not said to haue deliuered the 〈◊〉 but to whom he is said to haue preached by that Spirit whereby hee was quickened which was not therefore his Soule but by his diuine Spirit in the dayes of Noah while they had time then to repent by the meanes of preaching and not after this life when there is no conuersion And for which exposition we haue not onely the clearnesse of the Text but Augustine also plainly with vs and after him Beda as 〈◊〉 grants Iohn 11.43 and Luke 8.55 The soule of Lazarus Maries brother returned and so did the soules of Iairus daughter and the widowes sonne whom Christ raised Now this was not from hell they being godly nor from heauen for so iniurie should haue been done to them Therefore saith Bellarmine Mortui quos exitarunt Christus Apostoli creduntur fuisse in Purgatorio Besides that the secret things belong onely to God and the things reuealed onely to vs there could bee no iniury heere done to the creature whose priuate good must euer giue place to the manifestation of Gods glorie whereto it was created But more peremptorily let Bellarmine in that same Chapter answere this saying Se igitur aliqui sancti redierunt ad corpus non fuerunt beati sed Deus praevidens eorum excitationem distulit eorum beatificationem interim detinuit eos in optimo aliquo loco such as is no wayes a tormenting Purgatory Yea to shew how desperate their cause is and how impudent themselues are in wresting most cleare parts of Scripture to prooue this fiery furnace of theirs Let vs see that place Ex quo saith Bellarmine insigne habetur argumentum pro Pugatorio Hebr. 10.27 For whom remaines saith the Apostle a certaine fearefull looking for of Iudgement and fiery indignation which shall deuoure the aduersaries speaking there no wayes of the godly that are friends as Bellarmine would haue it that for their sinnes after Baptisme must bee temporally punished in a purging fire but of the Lords aduersaries as the cleare Text sheweth which the fiery indignation of God shall vtterly deuoure and of the fearefull iudgement and finall damnation of those who by wilfull apostasie from the knowne truth as vers 25 26. is euident doe tread the Sonne of God vnder foot and count the blood of the Couenant an vnholy thing and doth despise the Spirit of grace which none of the godly euer either did or doth Next to such places of Scripture Bellarmine brings in examples of Scripture whereby hee intends to prooue that the guilt of sinne being remitted the temporall punishment remaines to be satisfied for and wherin because many are remisse in this life therefore a Purgatorie is appoynted hereafter The first examples are of Dauid and Miriam both pardoned and yet temporally punished but hee should prooue that these punishments were payments and satisfactions to Gods Iustice and redemptions of themselues as Bellarmine calles them where in the contrary the Scripture clearely affirmes that God by such corrections dealeth not as a Iudge with malefactors to satisfie Iustice but as a father with his sonnes to manifest his mercy doing it not for any payment to himselfe but for profit to them and not to free them from any Purgatory hereafter but to make them pertakers of his holinesse here Neither auailes it Bellarmine that the cause of Dauids correction is set downe to bee his sinne begun for wee confesse that the sinnes of the godly are the efficient causes of these corrections that God layes vpon them But all our Controuersie is of the finall cause which wee say is for example to others his children and their owne amendment that are chastised and which they say is for satisfaction to his Iustice and redemption of the sufferer himselfe The next instance that hee brings is of death which is the temporall