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A48863 The harmony between the old and present non-conformists principles in relation to the terms of conformity, with respect both to the clergie, and the people : wherein a short history of the original of the English liturgy, and some reasons why several truly conscientious Christians cannot joyn with the church in it : humbly presented to publick consideration in order to the obtaining some necessary relaxation and indulgence : to which are added some letters that pass'd between the Lord Cecil, and Arch-bishop Whitgift. Lobb, Stephen, d. 1699.; Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.; Burghley, William Cecil, Baron, 1520-1598. 1682 (1682) Wing L2726; ESTC R23045 77,527 105

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only form of prayer to be us'd in publique II. But to be more particular there are many among the Dissenters who are furnish'd with such Arguments as the Reader may find in the Abridgment of that book which the Ministers of Lincoln Diocess deliver'd to the King Anno 1605. as also in a part of the Register and among the reasons for Refusal of Subscription exhibited to Cotton Bishop of Exeter by the Devonshire and Cornish Ministry and in several other discourses as in Bayly's Parallel of the Liturgy with the Mass-book Ames his fresh suit against Ceremonies c. The which have fix'd such strong convictions on the Consciences of some Dissenters concerning the unlawfulness of the present Liturgy that they cannot safely joyn with any in the use of it Though some who have not receiv'd such powerfull impressions from the weight of those Arguments can read the Common Prayer and joyn with such as do to the end they may save themselves from the severity of Penal Lawes yet other Dissenters will rather submit themselves to the greatest extremities than venture to dishonour God by doing what they are convinc'd is a sin That the Reader may be mov'd to entertain some charitable thoughts concerning such persons and that the common objection that is laid in against their Non-Conformity which is Humour and Fancy and a Peevish Obstinacy may be fully answered I 'll give an Historical Account of some of those Arguments which do so fully convince some Dissenters that they cannot without laying an unnatural violence on their Families conform Argument I. I. They are perswaded that according to the Rubrick the same honour is put on the Apocryphal Books which is due alone to the Sacred Scriptures For they are appointed to be read as a part of the Old Testament without any note of difference from the Canonical In a discourse before the Common Prayer concerning the Service of the Church 't is asserted that nothing is ordained to be read but the very Pure word of God the Holy Scriptures or that which is agreable to the same beside this after the order how the Psalter is to be read 't is said in the Title how the rest of Holy Scripture is to be read under which Title several orders are to be found Namely 1. The Old Testament is appointed for the first Lessons at Morning and Evening Prayer so as the most part thereof will be read every year once and in the 3d. order 't is said that to know what Lessons shall be read every day look for the day of the Month in the Kalendar following and there ye shall find the Chapters that shall be read for the Lessons both at Morning and Evening Prayer and in the Rubrick after the Psalms are read 't is order'd that then shall be read distinctly with an audible voice the First Lesson taken out of the Old Testament as it is appointed in the Kalendar whereby 't is evident that what is appointed in the Kalendar to be read for the First Lesson is consider'd as a part of the Old Testament the Holy Scripture the pure word of God But the Apocryphal books are in the Kalendar appointed to be read for First Lesson for almost Two Months together even from the latter end of September untill November 24th beside the Holy dayes on which these books are appointed to be read To which add that this is done to the constant neglect of reading a great part of the Sacred Scriptures namely the two books of Chronicles Solomons Song and a great part of the Revelations That 't is the appointment of the Church to read the Apocryphal books as a part of the Holy Scriptures is farther confirm'd by Archbishop Bancroft in the conference held at Hampton Court where as the abridgment has it he tax'd Jerom for calling these books Apocrypha and said he was the first that gave them that name and called his objections against them the old Cavills of the Jews And the Bishops of Winchester affirm'd at the same time that they must needs be held Canonici ad informandos mores Canonical for the information of manners To these I 'll add what Mr. Hutton in his answer unto the reasons of the Ministers of Devon and Cornwall to this very objection They are saith he called Holy Scriptures in a signification at large because the subject they entreat of is God his Love Power our Sanctification and Obedience to him And they may be held Canonical wholsom Doctrines being thence deduced though not simply of themselves yet wherein they agree with the Canon as also because they may serve as they alwayes heretofore have done for a rule to direct and order our Conversation aright In this answer though he seems without the approbation of the Rubrick to make a difference between the Sacred Scriptures and the Apocrypha books yet at length falls in with the Bishop of Winchester asserting that they are a Canon or Rule to direct our Conversation aright But in opposition hereunto 't is generally by sound Protestants asserted 1. That the Apocryphal books are not a part of the Holy Scriptures the pure word of God 2. That there are several things appointed to be read which are not agreable to the word of God nor can be defended by any sound Protestant To make this point the more clear I 'll give the Reader an account of what is reply'd to the distinction of the Bishop of Winchester about the Canon of Faith and Manners and then offer what arguments have been urg'd against this practice of the Church In the second part of the defence of the reasons of the Devonshire and Cornish Ministers 't is thus reply'd to the aforesaid distinction But that we may farther see how heartless and unsound this distinction of Canonical for manners but not for Faith is let us observe how they here make a distinction of faith and manners where none is for all Doctrines of God's word are in this respect Doctrines of faith whether they concern matters of believing or of other Conversation of life wherefore the Apostle hath coupled them together in that place to Timothy saying all Scripture given by inspiration of God c. shewing us thereby that upon one and the same divine Revelation our knowledge and practice both must be grounded And I would entreat these men that give us this distinction to tell us whether it be not a point of faith That we must worship one God and him after his own manner reverencing his Name and keeping his Sabbaths c. And whether it be not a point of faith That we must honour our Parents and Superiors that we must not Kill commit Adultery Steal Slander Covet And whether our Consciences be not bound in these things by the Divine Testimony as well as in any point of our understanding surely unless our Divinity faileth all the word of God is the object of Faith that as well which directeth to manners as that which revealeth
act contrary to the plain conviction of their Conscience and Conform If then there be any peace in the Church it must be either by a familiar sweet and plain discovery of their mistake or by a relaxing somewhat the rigor of the Terms of Communion The Forms by many years experience we find impossible and therefore as the Bishop of Cork and Ross expresses it the only probable expedient for Union left us is the later In the following History I must say that I have confin'd my self to urge those arguments of the Old Non-conformists which are against those parts of the Liturgy now in being and I have done it without passion or partiality My great care hath been to propose with indifference their judgment to the end the Reader considering it with the same equal mind as 't is written may be the better enabled to pass a Candid Censure on the whole I have not been curious in the choice of words for my design is only the information of the vulgar to whose capacity I have in the most familiar manner I could adjusted the following discourse That the God of Heaven will enable us all to follow peace with all men and Holiness for we must not so far pursue peace as to do any unholy thing in order thereunto ought to be our dayly Prayer to the God of Heaven April 3. 82. Farewell An Account of the Non-Conformists Principles concerning the Terms both of the Clergy and Lay-Conformity SINCE the 24th of August 1662 there have been many a Non-Conformist even among the Ministers and People of England who though they have different apprehensions concerning the Terms of Conformity do yet all agree in their not submitting unto all that is required by the Act of Vniformity There are some among the Ministers who can Conscientiously comply withall that is enjoyn'd the people and there are others that cannot That the Reader may with the greater clearness understand wherein the principal grounds of Non-Conformity consist I will with the greatest impartiality attempt the giving a particular account of the Principles of those who are now most commonly known by the name of Dissenters Not that I design to insist on all those principles they profess to embrace as they are sound Christians and good Protestants but only to shew what their Judgment is as they are Dissenters from the Church of England 1. There being a great difference between the Terms of Conformity imposed on the Ministers and those enjoyn'd the People there are some among the Non-Conforming Ministry who can submit unto the impositions laid on the people but not unto what is exacted from the Ministers They can hear yea read the ordinary Lord's days Service and joyn in the Communion of the Church but yet cannot Assent and Consent to every thing contained in the 39 Articles Book of Common Prayer and Homilies already extant and such as shall hereafter be set forth because they are fully convinc'd that there are several things contain'd in those Books which are not agreable unto the Word of God and because they cannot divine what may be inserted in the Book of Homilies hereafter to be published and are loath to subscribe to they know not what These have so great an advantage against the Conformists that Dr. Stilling fleet when he first entred on the controversies about the Terms of the peoples Communion with the Church wav'd that of the Ministers Conformity As these are Non-conformists so in their writings they triumph over the Conformists But then as they do ordinarily separate from the Communion of the Church and erect orderly Congregations for the Administrations of all Ordinances they have not that advantage which other Nonconformists have For say the Conformists unto 'em seeing you look on the terms of Lay-Communion to be lawfull and to shew so much you do occasionally hold Communion with us your Communion ought to be fixed and ordinary and that because the consideration of the Curches peace and the authority of our Governours in the enjoyning what is confessedly lawfull should oblige your Consciences There are several things replyed First The Ministers being consecrated unto God in that Holy Function of the Ministry dare not look back they commit Sacriledge should they withdraw themselves from the Ministry for wo unto them if they preach not Secondly The great necessity there is of their preaching in order to the reforming the people Moreover they add that they do not separate from the Church they do but preach as Lecturers or Curates unto the Parish Ministers In this controversie I 'll not engage my self for my business is principally design'd to give a right state of the controversie and so far as I can to offer somewhat in the Non-conformists defence which as to this particular shall be only to clear them from that reproach which is cast on them about their going to Church to Divine Service and the Communion and yet do not conform as Ministers The answer is easie viz. There is much more than these things required of them Viz. Subscriptions as enjoyn'd by the Act of Uniformity besides the abjuring the Covenant to the which several who have nothing to offer against the ordinary Lord's days Service and the other Terms of Lay-Communion cannot yield their Consciences 2. There are other Non-conforming Ministers who cannot conscientiously conform either unto the Terms impos'd on the Minister or People Of these there are two sorts 1. Some who look on the particular forms of Prayer imposed on all to be Lawfull but not Expedient 2. Others who consider this particular form of Prayer to be Vnlawfull 1. Of the first opinion are several Presbyterians if not some Congregational Divines For the clearer understanding their Sentiments we must consider 1. That there is a difference between the lawfulness of set forms of Prayer in Thesi and in Hypothesi A form of Prayer in general may be lawfull but this or the other set form in particular sinfull In the Popish Mass Book there are several forms of Prayer which are by sound Protestants esteemed sinfull not because they are forms so much as because they are such forms There are very few besides some Independents and Anabaptists who judge all forms of Prayer because they are forms to be Unlawfull 2. There is also a difference between the lawfulness of a form and its expediency A Stinted Liturgy may in some cases be both lawfull and expedient and in other though in it felf lawfull yet highly inexpedient For ought I can say to the contrary a set form of preaching is as lawfull as a set form of Prayer and 't is manifest that there was a time in the beginning of Edward the 6ths Reign that the making Sermons for the Ministers was as convenient as the making Prayers for them such was the ignorance peevishness and contentiousness of those in Holy Orders That a stinted form was as neeessary to be us'd in preaching as 't was in praying for which reason as an
do it It was made also a consecrator of Water Bread and Wine and all other Holy things in time of Popery for the which corruption we ought to abhorr it Again we Sign this child in token that he shall continue Christ's faithfull Souldier to his Lives end These words shall continue to his lives end compared with the like in the Epistle of the 22 Sunday after Trinity God shall continue the work in you to the end shew unto us that we use the cross for a pledge to give assurance to the child to continue in grace to the end which if it be so then it serveth to work faith and is used effectually saith Parker Hooker saith that there cannot be a more forceable means to avoid that which may deservedly procure shame If it be in some sort a means to secure from confusion Everlasting then it is in some sort effective of Grace In a word suppose there were no sinfull use of it for the present the horrible abuse of it in times by-past and the danger and peril of these same abuses are sufficient to remove it out of this Holy Sacrament where it is set up in such honourable State beside the Lord 's own Altar 2. Of the Lord's Supper I 'll not mention all is said of this I 'll only apply my self to what is said of Kneeling which gesture though not according to Christs example nor the nature of the Ordinance is imposed as a necessary condition of our Right in the Lord's Supper whatever right Faith and Repentance may give unto this Ordinance no jus in re no right in it is acknowledged to any among us but such as Kneel whereby Kneeling is made by the Church of England a necessary Term and yet look'd on but as indifferent as if a man had been invested with a power of making a thing in it self indifferent to become a necessary part of Christs Religion But to give you what I find in the Altar of Damascus Where 't is said That without any farther he and they viz. Minister and People Communicate Kneeling after the Popish manner that is with a gesture of Adoration when they are beholding the signs taking eating drinking and inwardly in their minds should be meditating on the signification and the fruit and benefit which they reap by Christ Crucified and consequently cannot without distraction of mind from this employment of the Soul and Meditation pray a set and continued prayer to God or cannot meditate and be employed in the present action without distraction of mind from the prayer and therefore either they pray irreverently which they will not grant or do Communicate this Gesture of Adoration to the other imployments of the Soul and of the outward senses and members of the body about the objects presented which they must grant and so nill they will they they must be forced to confess that they commit idolatry Kneeling is no decent gesture for a Table for commodity they say maketh decency but this gesture is confessed not to be commodious as sitting is It is then enjoyned for another reason to wit for Reverence but to kneel for Reverence and Religious respects is ever Adoration in the highest degree To kneel for reverence that is to adore is not enjoyned here for prayer neither may prayer lawfully be enjoyned in time of another action and part of God's worship to be performed by the same person And suppose it were enjoyned for the short prayer uttered by their priest yet are not the outward senses and inward faculties employed principally on that prayer but upon another action principally and directly intended in the institution whereas the other is only super-added by man Let them frame their Canons and Acts as they please and suppose that they kneel for reverence of the Sacrament common sense may teach us that it is done for that respect either totally or principally but let it be in the least part yet that least part is idolatry Beside the idolatry of this gesture it cannot stand with the right manner of celebration and rites of the institution For when they kneel for adoration they cannot carry the cup from hand to hand nor divide the elements among themselves as Christ hath commanded In many places the people are raised from their kneeling to come about the Table there to receive kneeling and then are directed to their places again saith the Author of the Survey The priest giveth the Bread and the Wine to every one severally out of his own hands When the cup is to be carryed from one to another the communicant is too prophane in their opinion to reach it the Priests Holy hand must take it from one and give it to the other but Christ willed his Disciples to divide it among themselves and it was carryed from hand to hand indeed after the manner of the last paschal cup. When Christ therefore gave the Bread and the Wine he said in the plural number take ye eat ye c. The English priest speaketh in the singular number when he giveth the elements he annexeth not Christs words containing a comfortable promise and uttered in an Enunciative form but other words invented by man and in form of a prayer converting one part of God's worship into another or else confounding them By this 't is manifest that many Ministers may conscientioufly refuse to conform to the Termes imposed on the people They can no more satisfie their consciences in complying with the Termes of Lay-Communion than others can with those of the Ministers Conformity Moreover II. As they cannot hold Communion with the Church in the Holy Sacraments and consequently not comply with what is required of the people in order thereunto so neither can they with a safe Conscience joyn in the ordinary Lord's dayes Service They cannot conscientiously approve of many things in that service unto which they must give their approbation if they conform thereunto Whoever conforms doth thereby shew his approbation of what he conforms unto To what a man conforms to that he manifests his good liking why is it that some cannot conform unto the By-Offices but because they do not approve of them and why do any conform to the ordinary Lord's dayes Service but because they approve of it which is as much as if it had been said Conformity is an Overt Act of Approbation 't is in practice an Approving the thing But some scrupulous Dissenters cannot conform unto the ordinary Lord's dayes Service without conforming to several things to which they refuse the giving their approbation By the ordinary Lord's dayes Service they understand all that Office that is according to the Liturgy and Canon of the Church appoynted to be read Ordinarily on the Lord's day or to speak in the Common Prayer Dialect that Service that is appointed to be read ordinarily on Sundayes against the use of which they do more generally argue thus I. If they must conform to the ordinary Lord's dayes Service it must
and design of Whitgift as one who acted rather like a Spanish Inquisitor than a good Protestant imposing Articles that were of an ensnaring tendency is what I find in the Letters of the Lord Cecil unto the Arch-bishop with Arch bishops reply Numb 4. 5 6. The which is more generally suggested in Cambden who mentions the dissatisfaction of several noble men with the Bishops proceedings but more expresly by a moderate writer in Queen Elizabeths who in his plea of the innocent doth in the name of the Non-Conformists speak thus of the Lords of the Councill And this is not all that bindes us to their honours for in our private troubles about the Ceremonies and Subscription we the poor and faithfull Ministers of Christ whensoever we have opened our cause and humbled our selves unto them we have found great justice and equity and divers times great relief and ease from our troubles No doubt they seeing our innocency that of meer Conscience without any the least inclination to disloyalty to our Sovereign we did forbear to do those things they have tendered our cause and lovingly effected that we might not be too much over-burdened Moreover concerning the Bishops they say What could we do less or better than to repair to the Reverend Bishops for Counsell and Comfort which for the space of ten years or the most part thereof they did in some good measure afford unto us till as I take it by the relation of some in the same broyles the Papists had cunningly wrested our good Fathers from us that they could and would do no further for us Then yet complaining of our case and opening our doubts unto them we did as the Law affordeth that the cause should be brought before the Ordinary in all doubts about ceremonies of the Church Established by Law and finding not our selves resolv'd by our ordinaries alas what could we do less than quietly to suffer our selves with great grief bewailing our flocks to be suspended imprisoned and deprived And this hath been the cause of all them which have not used the Ceremonies so fully as some other of their Brethren By this 't is evident that as Queen Elizabeth's Education natural temper Interest of State and I verily believe Conscience of Duty unto God inclin'd her to such an establishment in the Ecclesiastical Constitution as might be most gratefull unto the Papist even so some of the Clergy who by Heylin are called Melancthonians of whom Whitgift and Bancroft were principal in their times did their utmost by insisting so very much on the Ceremonies Subscription c. to the same end the Queens Majesty did whereby to the great grief of many Sound Protestants the Service of our Church was made to resemble as much as possible that of the Church of Rome But 3. I 'll now consider the reasonings of some Protestant Dissenters from this similitude likeness and agrement there is between these two service books against the ordinary use of the English Liturgy Whoever will make a due enquiry into the History of the Reformation will find that in Edward the 6th his dayes Hooper Lord Bishop elect for Glocester scrupled the Episcopal Vestments because they had been invented cheifly for celebrating the Mass with much pomp and had been consecrated for that effect In Queen Maries time the exil'd Protestants at Frankford such as Knox and those of his perswasion refused to Minister the Communion by the book of England for that there were some things in it placed only by warrant of man's Authority or no ground of God's word for the same and had also a long time very Superstitiously in the Mass been wickedly abused See discourse of the troubles at Franckford Moreover in Queen Elizabeth's and King James's dayes several manifested their dislike of our Liturgy for this very reason because 't was so like unto the Romish Service I 'll give some particular instances with those reasons that were by 'em urg'd against a complyance with a Service Book so like that of the Papists In a part of the Register you have the sense of Mr. Edward Deering who sayes that The similitude that this book has with the form of Prayer which the Papists used I think declineth from the equity of these Lawes Deut. 7. 25. Deut. 12. 30. Deut. 18. 9. which things our fathers so much regarded in the Primitive Church that their books are full of great complaints against all similitude to be had with the Gentiles Yea the second Councill of Bracca made a decree that no Christian should have either Bay-Leaves or Green Boughes in their houses because the Gentiles so accustomed And at this day all Reformed Churches in France Polonia Helvetia Scotland and other places have changed that form of Prayer which prudence of all ages if we shall condemn the rebuke of the Apostle I think will touch us 1 Cor. 14. 36. Came the word of God out from you or came it else to you only Secondarily we have the Psalmes Venite Benedictus Magnificat nunc dimittis usual in our Ministry of which we can give no good reason Nor I see no cause why we should more leave out the Ave Maria. And because of parting the Scriptures again into the Epistles and Gospels which was not heard of before the dayes of Popery I dare not avow that this is that reverent handling of the Scripture and the right dividing of the word of truth which St. Paul requireth 2 Tim. 2. 15. But the Abridgment is much more full on this Subject shewing what are the many Scriptural Arguments against all complyances with the Superstitions the which is farther confirm'd not only from the Fathers the Transmarine Protetestant Divines but also by our own Old Protestant Doctors of the Church of England Take it as in the Abridgment where 't is asserted that 't is contrary to the word of God to use such ceremonies in the worship of God as man has devised if they be notoriously known to have been of old and still to be abused unto Idolatry or Superstition by the Papists especially if the same be now of no necessary use in the Church Where note that the Ceremonial part of the English Service that is like unto that of the Romish is what has been abused by the Papists to Idolatry or Superstition but yet are not so necessary to Divine Worship but that the worship may be compleat decent and orderly without em but to their reasons this may appear say they 1. By the Second Commandment which forbids all provocation unto spiritual fornication as the 7th doth unto that which is Carnal 2. By the Commandment and direction God hath given us in his word to separate our selves from Idolaters and be as unlike to them as may be especially in their Religious Observations and Ceremonies to abolish not only all Idols but also all the Ceremonies and Instruments of Idolatry and that so as we may best shew our utmost detestation to them and root out the very
be less so under a Catholick King then they may say you have with the approbation of his Holyness the Pope what formerly you had by the good liking of the Heretick only 'T is not improbable that at first the Pope will be content we shall use the same Liturgy we now have with very little alterations and to gain England under his Tyranny will consent to what Pope Pius would have done in Queen Elizabeth's days and a late Pope in Laud's time and then by little and little add unto the Liturgy sometime a few Prayers and again for the greater Solemnity Decency and Order in the Administration of Baptism may add to the sign of the Cross that of Salt and Spittle and Lights c. Seeing then this may be so there are many among the Dissenters who are afraid to comply with the use of the English Liturgy least by their practice they give an unanswerable advantage to their implacable enemy the Papist They are aware of the design they are sensible how the Romanists have been practising on the Church of England and what use they 'l make of their not driving on the Reformation much farther and therefore now in this day do think they shall highly provoke the Lord to jealousie should they give countenance to the Service Book which may be so easily improved to the advancing the superstition of the Roman Catholick But if after all it be said by any that these things are Light-points and not so much to be insisted on no other answer shall be given but that of the Reverend Mr. Dering in his reply to an objection of a like nature as 't is in a part of the Register If I seem curious or stand upon light points beside that in the worship of God there is nothing light so the Conscience of man is exceeding tender that it will neither be troubled nor touch'd in the least tittle contrary to the perswasion of truth The weight of sin is not in substance of matter but in the Majesty of God that is offended and be the thing never so little yet the breach of his Commandment deserveth death This faith we have learn'd of him that is the wisdom of the father and our only Prophet that is whoever shall break one of these least Commandments these words which are shall break one of the least have every one a greater weight than may be contemn'd of any man Argument IV. There is in this Service Book a strange disorder and confusion unworthy the grandure and Majesty of that God unto whom we make our approach in Prayer God is a great King his Name is dreadfull even among the Heathen he is great and greatly to be feared and reverenced even in the Assembly of his Saints God is in Heaven we on the Earth and therefore as our words must be few even so must they be utter'd in the gravest and most serious manner God is a jealous God and 't is dangerous to trifle with him when we come to worship him Yea God is a God of Order and not of Confusion and therefore our Addresses should be in the most Solemn Order This all will grant but the question is whether there be any such disorder in the Common Prayer Book For this has been formerly objected against the extempore and free Prayer of Dissenters who are said to enter rashly into God's presence and pray after the most disorderly manner conceivable how then comes this to be urg'd may some say against that set form of Prayer which has been with the greatest deliberation of the Fathers of the Church Compos'd I reply That the Reader may the more distinctly Comprehend what I have to offer on this Fourth head of Argument I must beseech him to consider 1. That I am not defending such as will inconsiderately Rush into the presence of Almighty God and prophane instead of honouring the name of God in Prayer I durst not plead for such an Irreverent or uncomely practice Neither 2. Do I design to offer any thing against those who will seriously meditate on what they have to do when they make their approaches unto the Throne of Grace Premeditation on the matter to be prayed for on the Method of the Address yea and on the choice of Expressions is so far from a Sin in my Judgment that I verily believe it to be a duty Neither 3. Do I Object against the prudent and necessary Use of some set form of Prayer in publick for many may be endow'd with the Grace of Gods Spirit who abound not with its Gifts and 't is not enough that a man has the Grace of Gods Spirit to enable him to be the Mouth of Others to God in Prayer 't is the Gift that in this Case is requisite the which some may not have who yet must pray in publick or publick Worship must be totally omitted in which Case the using a Form of Prayer is not only lawful but highly expedient These things premised the Reader may easily perceive who it is for whom I do not Apologize as well as that I am not arguing against the Divine Service Book as it Contains a Form of Prayers nor as it a form imposed which yet I approve not of but as 't is such a form so disorderly and Confused a Form This is insisted on in the Altar of Damascus and in the Lincoln Abridgment In the Altar it is thus expressed Then again their Prayers are shred into so many small pieces They pray in Two or Three Lines and then after having read some other things come and pray as much more and so to the Twentieth or Thirtieth time with pauses between Prayers should be continued together not cut off and interrupted or cut in small pieces They do with their Prayers as they do with their Gospels and Epistles which they rent from their Contexts which would serve for memory and greater Edification So sar he To whom I add That if a Dissenting Minister in Pulpit before his Sermon when he addresses himself to God in Prayer should utter Three or Four Sentences in Prayer and then go off to another thing to the reading Two or Three Verses in the Bible and then to his Prayer and then to Reading would not the generality of the Church say this Dissenting Minister by Confounding Reading and Prayer offers up his Requests after a most disorderly manner But to the Abridgment In the Abridgment 't is urg'd That by this Book sundry things that bring great Disorder and Confusion unto the Worship of God are appointed As that the People should say after the Minister whole Sentences of Prayer and Scripture yea the Minister one part of the Prayer and the people another and in sundry parts of the Letany the people make the Prayer and the Minister only directs them what to pray for The Minister at some time must pray and the People give the reason of the Prayer for Instance The Minister Prayes saying Give peace in our days
O Lord and the people make their Answer Because there is no other that fighteth for us but only thou O God as if Almighty God alone had not been able to defend them in the time of War whence they Pray unto God for the sending Peace But cannot that God who sendeth Peace by putting an end unto Wars preserve and protect in the day of Trouble If he can to what purpose is this Argument urg'd Again an alteration is made in the State of this Affair The Minister gives instruction or rather as a beginner of the Prayer mentions the Matter or Thing to be prayed for and the people must proceed to the making it a formal Prayer whence 't is that whereas the Minister in the publick Assembly should be the Mouth of the people unto God The Minister being silent the people altogether with a loud voice a distracting Murmur are their own Mouth Thus From Fornication and all other deadly Sin as if some sins were not Mortal but Venial and from all the Deceits of the World the Flesh and the Devil so far the Minister proceeds and then make a stop from whom the people take it adding Good Lord deliver us Again O Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the World says the Minister with the greatest seeming fervour and affection but yet in the midst of the sentence his warm affection is ended and the people proceed to say Grant us thy peace O Lord. Again they must be as they were in Statu Quo and the Minister prayes O Lord let thy Mercy be shewed on us to which Petition the people either add their sence or Limitation or Reason of the Prayer as we put our Trust in thee Beside at some one meeting of the Assembly the Pater-Noster or Lords Prayer is to be repeated Six or Eight several times and the Gloria Patri Twelve beside the many Kyrie Eleesons and Christe Eleesons Lord have mercy on us Christ have mercy upon us the Responces the Versicles c. Alas how ridiculous would this be interpreted by the generality of those who are now Sons of the Church should the Dissenters have us'd such a practice This Argument receives strength from what I find insisted on by by some of His Majesties Commissioners in the Account of all the proceedings of the Commissioners of both perswasions where 't is thus Argued Vid. As we find that the Minister is the Mouth of the people to God in publick which Scripture and the necessity of Order do require So we are loath to Countenance the people's Invading of that Sacred Office so far as they seem to us to do By reading half the Psalms and Hymnes 2. By saying half the Prayers as the Minister doth the other half 4. By being the only Petitioners in the far greatest part of all the Letany by their Good Lord deliver us and We beseech thee to hear us good Lord. While the Minister only reciteth the Matter of the Prayer and maketh none of the request at all we fear least by purity of reason the people will claim the work of preaching and other parts of the Ministerial Office 3. And we mentioned that which all our Ears are witnesses of that until half the Psalms and Hymns c. are said by such of the people as can say them the Murmur of their Voices in most Congregations is so unintellgible and Confused as must hinder the Edification of all the rest for who is edified by that which he cannot understand This you 'l find page 29 but in page 60 we have account of the Rule and Order of Prayer with a full Demonstration That the Common Prayer is not agreeable unto any just Rule or Order There are say they Two Rules of Prayer One is the Nature of the things Compared in Matter and Order with Nature and Necessity The Other is the Revealed Will of God in his word in General the Holy Scripture more Especially the Lords Prayer The Liturgy for the greatest part of the Prayers for dayly Vse is Confused by whichsoever you measure it You seem much to honour the Lords Prayer by your frequent Use of it or part of it we beseech you dishonour it not practically by denying it by Matter and Order to be the only Ordinary and Perfect Rule We know about particular Administrations where it is but certain select Requests that we are to put up suited to the partcular Subject and Occasion we cannot follow the whole Method of the Lords Prayer which containeth the heads of all the parts where we are not to take in all the parts we cannot take them in that Order But that none of all your Prayers should be form'd to that perfect Rule that your Letany which is your Comprehensive Prayer and that the Body of your dayly Prayers broken into several Collects should not as set together have any considerable respect unto that Order nor yet to the Order which reason and the Nature of the thing requireth which is observed in all things else and yet that you should so Admire this and be so tenacious of that which is conceived Prayer you would call by worse names than Confusion this sheweth us the power of prejudice By this the Reader may perceive how much the Non-Conformists are for a decent Order and Comely Method in Prayers but the Conformist against it and how much the Non-Conformist are for the right use of the Lords Prayer even when the Conformist are not at least practically for it Whence we may see how unreasonable it is to make such a Noise and Clamour as if the Dissenters rejected the Lords Prayer or were against its use whereas in truth the Dissenters are much more for the Right use of the Lords Prayer than the Conformists are Whoever will understand the true State of this Controversie must consider what the great design of the Disciples in Asking and of Christ in granting their Request about Prayer was the which he can no sooner with just deliberation and impartially do but will be satisfied that the thing the Disciples desired was to be Taught how to Fray Lord Teach us as John taught his Disciples How to Pray and they desire to be taught not that they prescribe unto Jesus Christ a Method in which he should teach 'em for that became not Disciples even Scholars who are to Learn but not to teach This being the desire of the Disciples to be taught to pray not to have a form of VVords to be Verbally and Syllabically rehearsed or repeated but Rules or Presidents for the directing 'em how to pray The answering of their Request was the Design of Christ in giving 'em the Lords Prayer which was principally intended for the Direction of the Disciples who were as Matthew expresseth it Oblig'd by that Command when ye Pray say Our Father so say after that manner when you pray or whenever you pray The Command is perpetual Obliging at all times of prayer so far as the particular Occasions